why you shouldnt play killer/why survivors are OP (with proofs and numbers)

[愚かなジャガイモ]

a while ago, i was curious about otz's killer challenge, what will the numbers be if he was facing a bunch of competitive swf, and what will those number looks like. of course, we will never know for now. maybe in the future he will do it, who knows.

but i just watched a "hardcore dead by daylight" series of survivors game consist of youtubers otztarva, dowsey, the JRM, and ayrun. they have some really interesting numbers in the end, so i decided to do some simple calculation compare to otz's killer challenge.

solo queue survivors's circumstances are not being taken in as consideration because that is not how most swf or competitive swf plays.

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in those games, they were trying to get from rank 20 to rank 1 without dying. here are some rules:
- they are not allow to bring item into the games
- if a survivor dies, that character and his/her teachable perk cannot be used again by any of the player.

in the end, they played 89 games, 23/27 survivors died (mikaela and jonah werent in game yet).

meaning out of 89 games, which means 356 lifes, 23 died, which means roughly 93.5% of surviving rate.

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in otz's killer challenge:
with offering and perks,
sweaty: he average at 3.85 kills which also means 96% kill rate.
nice guy: he average at 3.65 kills which also means 91% kill rate.

with no offering and perks, he average at 3.15 kills -> 78% kill rate.

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if you watched the "hardcore dead by daylight" series, you will notice most of the time they are goofing alot, laughing alot, when most of them are not using item nor meta perk most of the time, and in some of the games they only have 1 odd perks, they still get 93.5% surviving rate. and they are not even playing competitively, try hard or sweaty too.


on the other hand, otz was frustrated alot in his killer challenge, sweaty perks, sweaty offering, play dirty, play sweaty, and he barely gets 3% more kills rate than survivors when he sweat the most. and the other 2 numbers are much worse than survivors'.

personally i would use the number of ((96+78)/2) = 87%, for otz's overall killer's kill rate, but for the sake of proving my point, i will just use 96%

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so the question here is, why would you play killer when you stress out most of your game, try hard, and still get worse outcome than swf? why not just play swf? 😂

[Vinnie Huxhold]

Here is the answer to your question; Playing killer is easier than playing with SWF. Because SWFs have to coordinate in order to win and being coordinated is not easy. But while playing killer, you dont have to coordinate because there is only one killer in trials. When playing as killer, you just have to camp & tunnel in order to win, which is so easy. Killers dont even have to try hard to win, stop lying to yourself. Kill rate stats are above average. You only think about the SWF aspect of the game and this is wrong because most survivor teams are solos that have no coordination. Devs literally reward killers for hooking survivors (which is something thats so easy to do) at this point. I will mention one more thing; survivors have more objectives than the killer which is another reason why playing survivor is harder.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Borisky:

Playing killer is easier than playing with SWF. .

i know i shouldnt reply to you, but you probably didnt read either.

in very short, otz was sweating very hard, and these swf were chilling and having fun, but they still have better surviving rate than killer's.

this reason alone, is more than enough to not play killer 😂

[Koko ♡]

They were sweating like crazy in the hardcore challenge wym lol

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Ynn:

They were sweating like crazy in the hardcore challenge wym lol

if you dont understand why i said they were goofing, having fun and chilling alot, compare their gameplay to those swf that are playing in tournaments, or compare their mentality to otz's when he was doing his killer challenge.

this "HARDCORE DEAD BY DAYLIGHT" series is on youtube lol, you can go watch it yourself.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Ynn:

They were sweating like crazy in the hardcore challenge wym lol

and they didnt even bring any item, nor meta perk in most of their games, how is that sweating? haha

btw, they were also actively trying to farm bloodpoint, and not just focus solely on surviving lol
if they all sweat and focus only on surviving, im pretty sure the surviving rate will be much more higher.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Ynn:

Your like the killer main version of borisky lmao

how so? im giving you numbers. these numbers are from streamers lol

and as i said, why sweat so much on playing killer and why not just play swf? after you watching gameplay from their survivors series, and watching otz's killer gameplay, you would rather stress like otz in his game and not play chill and have fun like the swf? lol

and borisky is probably a killer main 😂

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Ynn:

Your like the killer main version of borisky lmao

ah btw, truetalent also did the perkless challlenge, but he refuse to play sweaty, tunnel and camp, his kill rate is 1.23, which also means 30.75% kill rate. 😂

[Madhatter]

Originally posted by Borisky:

Playing killer is easier than playing with SWF. Because SWFs have to coordinate in order to win and being coordinated is not easy.

You can stop right there. What fantasy world are you living in where callouts are difficult? That's multiplayer 101. It's literally game breaking and takes basically no effort or skill.

[76561199102488805]

Otz is not even competitive. My friend is competitive player and he also did a lot of dbd tournaments and he thinks that when you play killer much depends on your skill but if the map is survivor sided and you play against swf on comms you unlikely to get 4 kills which actually the way it supposed to be . Devs balance the game around 2 kills. 2 kills is a balance. 4 kills is not standard. There are plenty of comp dbd games on the web you can explore yourself and if you have to come up with something like "they didnt do perkless" is already disprovin your point about the game being unbalanced. If survivors would be OP as you say there wouldnt be so many variables.
Also there were a tournament team "depip squad" that were so easily destroying public killers but when they faced comp nurse on the tournament they ended up with 1 escape and quit comp dbd lol.

[😎Astran😾]

TL;DR the game's matchmaking is funny and in the end turn your killer experience into running simulator: the game put you vs overly skilled survivors and you cannot hit anyone.

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Slayer:

Otz is not even competitive. My friend is competitive player and he also did a lot of dbd tournaments and he thinks that when you play killer much depends on your skill but if the map is survivor sided and you play against swf on comms you unlikely to get 4 kills which actually the way it supposed to be . Devs balance the game around 2 kills. 2 kills is a balance. 4 kills is not standard. There are plenty of comp dbd games on the web you can explore yourself and if you have to come up with something like "they didnt do perkless" is already disprovin your point about the game being unbalanced. If survivors would be OP as you say there wouldnt be so many variables.
Also there were a tournament team "depip squad" that were so easily destroying public killers but when they faced comp nurse on the tournament they ended up with 1 escape and quit comp dbd lol.

first, otz is competitive or not is not the problem here. since he is in both the survivors and killer experiments here.

his skill and knowledge are being tested in both side.
when he is playing as killer, he is not playing against competitive swf.
when he is playing as survivors, he is ALSO not playing against competitive killer either.

so the variable of how skillful his opponents were are not of a concerns here.

second, playing and crushing against a pub killer, and getting crushed by a competitive killers only meant their skills are not good enough for that skill level.

also, you forgot that nurse is literally rank S in the killer category. she is the pinnacle of great player with great skills, you totally forgot about all other killers here.

or you expect all other killer main to just play nurse? 😂

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Astran:

TL;DR the game's matchmaking is funny and in the end turn your killer experience into running simulator: the game put you vs overly skilled survivors and you cannot hit anyone.

or, just dont stress yourself out playing killer. lol
since survivors gameplay are so much more chiller and easier.

[76561199102488805]

Originally posted by ポテト:

Originally posted by Slayer:

Otz is not even competitive. My friend is competitive player and he also did a lot of dbd tournaments and he thinks that when you play killer much depends on your skill but if the map is survivor sided and you play against swf on comms you unlikely to get 4 kills which actually the way it supposed to be . Devs balance the game around 2 kills. 2 kills is a balance. 4 kills is not standard. There are plenty of comp dbd games on the web you can explore yourself and if you have to come up with something like "they didnt do perkless" is already disprovin your point about the game being unbalanced. If survivors would be OP as you say there wouldnt be so many variables.
Also there were a tournament team "depip squad" that were so easily destroying public killers but when they faced comp nurse on the tournament they ended up with 1 escape and quit comp dbd lol.

first, otz is competitive or not is not the problem here. since he is in both the survivors and killer experiments here.

his skill and knowledge are being tested in both side.
when he is playing as killer, he is not playing against competitive swf.
when he is playing as survivors, he is ALSO not playing against competitive killer either.

so the variable of how skillful his opponents were are not of a concerns here.

second, playing and crushing against a pub killer, and getting crushed by a competitive killers only meant their skills are not good enough for that skill level.

also, you forgot that nurse is literally rank S in the killer category. she is the pinnacle of great player with great skills, you totally forgot about all other killers here.

or you expect all other killer main to just play nurse? 😂

Check the variety of killers here and how killer still able to play against survivors that abuse coms and old OOO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKjAiWIb05w
If killers able to play with these results against tryhards that breathe this game how do you think solo queue suffers?

[愚かなジャガイモ]

Originally posted by Slayer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKjAiWIb05w
If killers able to play with these results against tryhards that breathe this game how do you think solo queue suffers?

Originally posted by ポテト:

solo queue survivors's circumstances are not being taken in as consideration because that is not how most swf or competitive swf plays.

as we all know, im talking about swf here, which floods the higher skill lobbies.

the game is extremely unbalance, as we all know too. so im just taking only the circumstances where BOTH parties are able to perform the most and create the most value out of their roles.

and this video is old, like really old. but i did noticed something. of course, these are no the full numbers from that tournament but rather only from the video.

1st game, wraith, 3 escaped
2nd game, huntress, 1 escaped
3rd game, huntress, 3 escaped
4th game, mike, 0 escaped
5th game, mike, 3 escaped
6th game, doctor, 3 escaped
7th game, doctor, 2 escaped
8th game, huntress, 3 escaped
9th game, huntress, 2 escaped
10th game, clown, 2 escaped
11th game, clown 1 escaped
12th game, pig, 3 escaped

by this numbers, out of 12 games, survivors have 54% escape rate, which is still above 50%. lol

and only 6 of the 14 killers are being picked at that time. which is only 42% killer's pool. tournaments nowadays have even less killers being picked unless they were forced to do so.

meaning that killers are getting harder and harder to play. lol

[Mr_Purple]

This post is brought to you by... Borisky's alter ego?... Sure looks like it