"It's 'selfish' to not TRY to get chased."

[Yazuken]

So, today I got what I think is one of the most illogical and irrational statements made towards me for my style of gameplay as survivor. And I would truly like to hear what other people think about this. This is literally the first time in my 8 years of playing Dead By Daylight that I have had someone make this kind of allegation towards me. They alleged that I am a "self-centered" teammate for not intentionally getting myself caught and chased by the killer. Keep in mind, I did gens ( two and a half approximately ), I did rescues ( two, along with healing my teammates). But I ALSO hid VERY WELL... something I feel the other players didn't do, which is why they went up on hooks back-to-back until it was down to me and the last one. When I got hooked, and he was the last survivor on the ground, I expected him to reciprocate on rescuing me. He didn't. Which is fine. I'm over it. ( even though if anything I would think that would make HIM the one being self-centered ). So I end up watching him get caught as he runs in mindless circles while I'm on hook, he dies, and then in post-game chat, he accuses me of being what I stated above "self-centered"... When I ask him his reasoning, it's because I didn't PURPOSELY get chased more. He also told me I should have gave up on hook for the sake of his survival ( important to note, I rescued him earlier in the match. ) I don't think I was the problem. I think the fact that the other three teammates who were running around recklessly ( even when the killer does not see them and is not aware of their location ) are their own downfall. The way I see it, is there is few reasons to run in the very beginning of a match. The biggest one being, if you truly think the the killer has spotted you.

But please, truly. I would like to hear other people's opinions on this. I am open-minded. Do you think it is selfish for a player to NOT get caught/chased? Or was this teammate of mine just trying to find someone to blame his own lack of gameplay skill on?, or do you think something else completely?

[erandomone]

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If somebody chooses to play on the objectives, you're at least still contributing to the team. But hook states are 100% a resource that survivor's can manage, as losing the first survivor is a huge hit to what the team can accomplish.

It sounds like they're just frustrated with dying, when they thought you should be playing a different way than you were playing.

You weren't just farting around, though, so I wouldn't take it too hard.

[COMP DBD 1V1]

you are forced to take chase if you are the lowest hooked person and there are people on death hook injured who cannot get chased anymore

similarly, people will complain about you if you dont do gens and theyre 5 minutes into a chase or worse yet, you are healthy and can body block for an injured person so he can make it to exit gate and you simply..... dont

yeah yeah you cant be reported for playing how you want, but people still expect you to play as a team at the bare mininum

[💫 Moshi 💫]

He's just looking for a way to vent his own frustration. You did nothing wrong.

Likewise I often find myself outsurviving my teammates (I solo q) and if I don't try to force a chase when everyone is on or near death, I'm generally the one who will suffer for it especially if killer finds hatch first and exits spawn close together.

But at the end of the day, it's your game. You play how you want and decide what you want/need to do as it calls for in the game. You don't survive by playing by others rule book after all.

[Hauptmann]

If your a killer and getting frustrated, switch targets. Dont focus on a victim that can outplay you, pivot and power through.

[Yazuken]

Originally posted by Moshi ✨:

He's just looking for a way to vent his own frustration. You did nothing wrong.

Likewise I often find myself outsurviving my teammates (I solo q) and if I don't try to force a chase when everyone is on or near death, I'm generally the one who will suffer for it especially if killer finds hatch first and exits spawn close together.

But at the end of the day, it's your game. You play how you want and decide what you want/need to do as it calls for in the game. You don't survive by playing by others rule book after all.

I like your take on it. I play solo que as well, and this is how I feel. Its hard to get up my survivor rank each season, so I feel like each player should be able to contribute to each aspect of survivor gameplay to the best of their ability. I don't feel like I am obligated to compensate for the areas where they play poorly ( in this case, evading the killer ), and compromise my integrity in other categories.

[Cat Night]

Everyone has their own playstyle and should be able to play that way and there are a lot of made up rules. I do understand a bit the arguments they made, bc that is how I play usually. When I'm the only person with no hooks and someone is on last hook I try take the chase or even go down for them since I still have hook stages left. and when I don't see the last person coming for an unhook or in chase I give up so they can get hatch. but Im also way too altruistic and that often gets me killed and I would never think to ask or expect this from other players.

[Yazuken]

Originally posted by COMP DBD 1 V 1:

you are forced to take chase if you are the lowest hooked person and there are people on death hook injured who cannot get chased anymore

similarly, people will complain about you if you dont do gens and theyre 5 minutes into a chase or worse yet, you are healthy and can body block for an injured person so he can make it to exit gate and you simply..... dont

yeah yeah you cant be reported for playing how you want, but people still expect you to play as a team at the bare mininum

Would you say this should be the case even if those players played recklessly though? For example, running excessively when the killer does not know where they are, doing unnecessary speed vaults, poor looping choices, etc? Should you have to take chase for that?

[John]

I think it depends. If everyone is on two hooks and I am on zero, I go get into a chase. It doesn't matter if I don't last long, I might give my team some time to reset.
Like someone said above, hooks are a resource that survivors need to manage. In the scenario I used, me getting chased/hooked will prolong my teammates lives, therefore the game, and everyone's chance of survival. Sometimes the game is at the stage where I might not get saved once hooked, then I might not. It's a difficult decision sometimes.

[Yazuken]

Originally posted by Cat Night:

Everyone has their own playstyle and should be able to play that way and there are a lot of made up rules. I do understand a bit the arguments they made, bc that is how I play usually. When I'm the only person with no hooks and someone is on last hook I try take the chase or even go down for them since I still have hook stages left. and when I don't see the last person coming for an unhook or in chase I give up so they can get hatch. but Im also way too altruistic and that often gets me killed and I would never think to ask or expect this from other players.

I can understand that. And I am willing to do that too sometimes, as long as I feel my teammates have put in a good effort throughout the match and atleast managed to give the killer some hassle catching them. In this specific match I was in, the other survivors were dropping like flies, and taking a lot of reckless actions, so I kind of felt like I shouldn't sacrifice myself for that. I didn't feel like they deserved it.

[Raft]

Generally, if your teammates were already 1x/2x hooked, you are 0x hooked, you should lure the killer to chase your full-health self. This applies especially if they aren't able to reset and do gens before being chased again. It's harder to stealth while injured. Lots of killers keep going back to the hook to chase the very-easily-found rescuer/rescued and/or guard the same strategic gens.

Sometimes, a chase with a different survivor might just break the killer's momentum and/or delay any sacrifices from happening till later. So more gens get completed.

I've had some matches where the killer kept getting downs before any gens were completed. But after a chase with 1 other survivor, it slowed down. Those who fully healed up performed better as well.

If the teammates truly aren't doing great at stealth/chases even after full reset and repositioning, then it doesn't make much of a difference.

[Valkyrine ♡]

I hate this too. Like sorry, did you want me to hop into the snowball effect that's going on to be a "team player"? Nah, you guys go ahead and die... imma get hatch.

[🅸🅲🅴 🅸🅲🅴 🅱🅰🅱🆈]

you say you're "open-minded" but your entire post comes off as completely thick-headed for multiple reasons.

for one, who cares if it's selfish or not? someone might think you're selfish for literally anything you do even things you wouldn't consider. that's on them.

but there are times that you should have identified in the last 8 years of playing dbd where the optimal move is to take chase. sometimes you really don't want your team being sacrificed if they're on their death hook but you're not. it's just common sense.

now if you want to make the optimal move that's on you. maybe you're not a good player. maybe you can't identify basic strategies. whether that makes you selfish or not is not up for you to decide.

[Yazuken]

Originally posted by Oh deer:

you say you're "open-minded" but your entire post comes off as completely thick-headed for multiple reasons.

for one, who cares if it's selfish or not? someone might think you're selfish for literally anything you do even things you wouldn't consider. that's on them.

but there are times that you should have identified in the last 8 years of playing dbd where the optimal move is to take chase. sometimes you really don't want your team being sacrificed if they're on their death hook but you're not. it's just common sense.

now if you want to make the optimal move that's on you. maybe you're not a good player. maybe you can't identify basic strategies. whether that makes you selfish or not is not up for you to decide.

I never said there wasn't a time in the past 8 years where taking chase was an optimal move. I never said that at all. I said that not taking chase doesn't make you selfish, and in fact, there are plenty of times, if not more times where NOT taking chase is the optimal move. Like I said, I play solo que ( much harder than having a regular swf team, btw. ). So I essentially play with a different team every single match. I've seen great ones, and horrible ones. And you know what, if my team doesn't offer value, as in the example I gave ( they play very recklessly, make poor decisions, and expect you to carry them ) then no, I DON'T care about saving a team like plays like THAT. Don't put words into my mouth. You sound like a moron making straw man statements. Maybe YOU'RE not a good player, and narrow minded.

[🅸🅲🅴 🅸🅲🅴 🅱🅰🅱🆈]

Originally posted by Yazuken:

Originally posted by Oh deer:

you say you're "open-minded" but your entire post comes off as completely thick-headed for multiple reasons.

for one, who cares if it's selfish or not? someone might think you're selfish for literally anything you do even things you wouldn't consider. that's on them.

but there are times that you should have identified in the last 8 years of playing dbd where the optimal move is to take chase. sometimes you really don't want your team being sacrificed if they're on their death hook but you're not. it's just common sense.

now if you want to make the optimal move that's on you. maybe you're not a good player. maybe you can't identify basic strategies. whether that makes you selfish or not is not up for you to decide.

I never said there wasn't a time in the past 8 years where taking chase was an optimal move. I never said that at all. I said that not taking chase doesn't make you selfish, and in fact, there are plenty of times, if not more times where NOT taking chase is the optimal move. Like I said, I play solo que ( much harder than having a regular swf team, btw. ). And you know what, if my team doesn't offer value, as in the example I gave ( they play very recklessly, make poor decisions, and expect you to carry them ) then no, I DON'T care about saving a team like plays like THAT. Don't put words into my mouth. You sound like a moron making straw man statements. Maybe YOU'RE not a good player, and also just an idiot in general.

you've edited this comment like 5 times now and it just keeps getting more and more ridiculous each time you add to it.

[Yazuken]

Originally posted by Oh deer:

Originally posted by Yazuken:

I never said there wasn't a time in the past 8 years where taking chase was an optimal move. I never said that at all. I said that not taking chase doesn't make you selfish, and in fact, there are plenty of times, if not more times where NOT taking chase is the optimal move. Like I said, I play solo que ( much harder than having a regular swf team, btw. ). And you know what, if my team doesn't offer value, as in the example I gave ( they play very recklessly, make poor decisions, and expect you to carry them ) then no, I DON'T care about saving a team like plays like THAT. Don't put words into my mouth. You sound like a moron making straw man statements. Maybe YOU'RE not a good player, and also just an idiot in general.

you've edited this comment like 5 times now and it just keeps getting more and more ridiculous each time you add to it.

It's called proof-reading. Try it sometime. Maybe you will sound less dumb if you do.

P.S : The only thing ridiculous is you not offering any statements of value or anything of intelligence to counter what I said to you, but you still run your mouth blabbering nonsense.