You should be able to buy Aestri/Baermar for shards

[MrBendiix]

The characters are 100% original, they are not pre existing character in the D&D universe, they are just some creation made by BHVR to have survivor characters in the DLC, however they are not like the other licensed survivors that are actually a character from a movie.

BHVR could make the survivor with or without the license, so because they are not technically licensed characters, they should be purchasable with shards. I get Vecna is AC only, but the survivor, naa.

[Skydive gangster]

money :)

[EvilRamenNoodle]

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

The characters are 100% original, they are not pre existing character in the D&D universe, they are just some creation made by BHVR to have survivor characters in the DLC, however they are not like the other licensed survivors that are actually a character from a movie.

BHVR could make the survivor with or without the license, so because they are not technically licensed characters, they should be purchasable with shards. I get Vecna is AC only, but the survivor, naa.

There is a possibility that they are actual lore characters in the new Vecna book.

[MrBendiix]

Originally posted by EvilRamenNoodle:

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

The characters are 100% original, they are not pre existing character in the D&D universe, they are just some creation made by BHVR to have survivor characters in the DLC, however they are not like the other licensed survivors that are actually a character from a movie.

BHVR could make the survivor with or without the license, so because they are not technically licensed characters, they should be purchasable with shards. I get Vecna is AC only, but the survivor, naa.

There is a possibility that they are actual lore characters in the new Vecna book.

Maybe, but its unreleased and its unofficial so far, so as of this moment, they are still an original character.

[EvilRamenNoodle]

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

Originally posted by EvilRamenNoodle:

There is a possibility that they are actual lore characters in the new Vecna book.

Maybe, but its unreleased and its unofficial so far, so as of this moment, they are still an original character.

I mean, that's not how licensing works. If Wizards of the Coast has a licence on these 2 bards, even if they aren't in any current media, they belong to them regardless of whether they are released content.

[TheRelaxr]

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

The characters are 100% original, they are not pre existing character in the D&D universe, they are just some creation made by BHVR to have survivor characters in the DLC, however they are not like the other licensed survivors that are actually a character from a movie.

BHVR could make the survivor with or without the license, so because they are not technically licensed characters, they should be purchasable with shards. I get Vecna is AC only, but the survivor, naa.

Technically, in D&D, characters are made by the people playing.. but Bards in general as a class and a race in this context belong to the rights of D&D. Therefore even if it's not in the lore or custom made characters, it's still under their jurisdiction of holding claims.


And even if this wasn't the case, Behavior makes agreements/contracts with these third-parties that for being allowed to use their characters and make direct references, they get the entitled cut that any other licensed characters would get. That means that if they agreed to let them put Vecna and a survivor(mixed like legion even) in the game, they are entitled to their cut.

If they didn't want to add the survivor for whatever reason and D&D didn't like that, they could revoke Dead by Daylight's use of Vecna as well.

[MarbleThrone]

It's worth nothing that the GhostFace we have in DBD is an original character as well. The license is purely the name and the mask, but everything else is original. And yet, he is still considered a licensed character.

The same applies to D&D as well. The survivors might be original, but things such as names, usage of D&D mechanics might not be.

[MrBendiix]

Originally posted by EvilRamenNoodle:

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

Maybe, but its unreleased and its unofficial so far, so as of this moment, they are still an original character.

I mean, that's not how licensing works. If Wizards of the Coast has a licence on these 2 bards, even if they aren't in any current media, they belong to them regardless of whether they are released content.

You are wrong tho, the word Bard has existed much much much before D&D and WOTC was even a thing. So yes that is how it works. And you can't copyright the word Bard.

Originally posted by TheRelaxr:

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

The characters are 100% original, they are not pre existing character in the D&D universe, they are just some creation made by BHVR to have survivor characters in the DLC, however they are not like the other licensed survivors that are actually a character from a movie.

BHVR could make the survivor with or without the license, so because they are not technically licensed characters, they should be purchasable with shards. I get Vecna is AC only, but the survivor, naa.

Technically, in D&D, characters are made by the people playing.. but Bards in general as a class and a race in this context belong to the rights of D&D. Therefore even if it's not in the lore or custom made characters, it's still under their jurisdiction of holding claims.


And even if this wasn't the case, Behavior makes agreements/contracts with these third-parties that for being allowed to use their characters and make direct references, they get the entitled cut that any other licensed characters would get. That means that if they agreed to let them put Vecna and a survivor(mixed like legion even) in the game, they are entitled to their cut.

If they didn't want to add the survivor for whatever reason and D&D didn't like that, they could revoke Dead by Daylight's use of Vecna as well.

The only thing that actually tie them to D&D is the backstory, the word bard CANNOT be copyrighted, they could have made the exact same character, but replace the few bits from the backstory and it would be a legal original character.

[MrBendiix]

Originally posted by MarbleThrone:

It's worth nothing that the GhostFace we have in DBD is an original character as well. The license is purely the name and the mask, but everything else is original. And yet, he is still considered a licensed character.

The same applies to D&D as well. The survivors might be original, but things such as names, usage of D&D mechanics might not be.

The mask is copyrighted tho, nothing about the survivors are, maybe some of the names in the backstory, but that is surely not enough.

[JustSomeRandomDude]

BHVR is under no obligation to offer licensed or original characters for shards regardless.

[stuntrock]

Originally posted by MarbleThrone:

It's worth nothing that the GhostFace we have in DBD is an original character as well. The license is purely the name and the mask, but everything else is original. And yet, he is still considered a licensed character.

The same applies to D&D as well. The survivors might be original, but things such as names, usage of D&D mechanics might not be.

This is true. The license is for the brand name (and by virtue any other associated products), not the individual characters contained within.

[EvilRamenNoodle]

Originally posted by Mr Bendiix:

Originally posted by EvilRamenNoodle:

I mean, that's not how licensing works. If Wizards of the Coast has a licence on these 2 bards, even if they aren't in any current media, they belong to them regardless of whether they are released content.

You are wrong tho, the word Bard has existed much much much before D&D and WOTC was even a thing. So yes that is how it works. And you can't copyright the word Bard.

Originally posted by TheRelaxr:

Technically, in D&D, characters are made by the people playing.. but Bards in general as a class and a race in this context belong to the rights of D&D. Therefore even if it's not in the lore or custom made characters, it's still under their jurisdiction of holding claims.


And even if this wasn't the case, Behavior makes agreements/contracts with these third-parties that for being allowed to use their characters and make direct references, they get the entitled cut that any other licensed characters would get. That means that if they agreed to let them put Vecna and a survivor(mixed like legion even) in the game, they are entitled to their cut.

If they didn't want to add the survivor for whatever reason and D&D didn't like that, they could revoke Dead by Daylight's use of Vecna as well.

The only thing that actually tie them to D&D is the backstory, the word bard CANNOT be copyrighted, they could have made the exact same character, but replace the few bits from the backstory and it would be a legal original character.

You completely misread what I was saying. I didn't say "Bard" was copyrighted. Reread what I wrote.

[EvilRamenNoodle]

I said "If Wizards of the Coast has a licence on these 2 bards" as in the characters, not their role. "If Wizards of the Coast has a licence on these 2 characters" would be the same exact statement.