Rise In Toxic Killers?

[SurprisedPikachuFace]

I've played for MONTHS w/o killers head shaking/hitting on hook, but lately when they down me they shake their head at me, delay pick up on purpose while body camping, and hitting on hook repeatedly, I don't get it really. I don't use chaser perks (like DH/made for this/etc). I don't teabag or gesture, just lately killers just seem pissed off for no reason.

Looped a clown for 2-3 gens, finally get downed and get bottles thrown at repeatedly for a good 20-30 seconds before they finally pick me up. I ask to leave the match (ran up to him) to be hooked so I can go next, they leave me slugged on the ground trying to find the last survivor. Finally grabs me and hits me on hook and throws bottles at me.

Looped a Deathslinger for the last 2 1/2 gens till the gates were powered (he dropped chase one me multiple times before this), tried to make it to the gate to escape but he got a lucky long shot on me and my other random teammate left me immediately and it was my first hook. Again shook head and repeatedly hit on hook.

Looped a Singularity for 2-3 gens and made him whiff several times, finally got downed head shook at and taken to basement (when I was across the map at pickup from basement) as I just gave up and wanted out.

I know it doesn't help I soloque a lot, but honestly its not the survivors that (at least tonight) that are the main issue, its just the toxic killers. I played weeks and months without any of this toxicity so where is it coming from all of a sudden? Did I just get weird unluck with killer draw?

At least I had a fun trapper who meme'd at the end which I desperately needed after those matches. <3

[Donut]

When you play one role then you'll start to notice that the other is toxic i.e if you play survivor then you'll start to think more killers are toxic, Once you play Killer then you'll start thinking survivors are toxic

Only when you play both equally do you fully realise that both can be toxic. All i can say is that both can be really toxic at times and both can be surprisingly sportsman like

[Raft]

I don't think it's toxic when killers do head shaking.

In all 3 examples, u clearly outplayed them since u've run them for 2+ gens.

I think of it as them playfully saying "Finally caught you! Revenge!"

Just take the wins in your lengthy chases.

If they throw verbal abuse/harassment at the endgame - now that's toxic. Then you can report them.

[_source.tv_]

From my experience, enough many survivors are more toxic than these killers, and also they have more agressive behavior. For get confirmation that some player are really toxic, need look on messages which he write after game

[Detri]

Originally posted by Raft:

I don't think it's toxic when killers do head shaking.

In all 3 examples, u clearly outplayed them since u've run them for 2+ gens.

I think of it as them playfully saying "Finally caught you! Revenge!"

Just take the wins in your lengthy chases.

If they throw verbal abuse/harassment at the endgame - now that's toxic. Then you can report them.

Sucks that we can't nod somehow.

[Raft]

Originally posted by Detri:

Originally posted by Raft:

I don't think it's toxic when killers do head shaking.

In all 3 examples, u clearly outplayed them since u've run them for 2+ gens.

I think of it as them playfully saying "Finally caught you! Revenge!"

Just take the wins in your lengthy chases.

If they throw verbal abuse/harassment at the endgame - now that's toxic. Then you can report them.

Sucks that we can't nod somehow.

I think you can nod. Look up and down. The red stain would go up and down.

[sardster.ttv]

The "balancing" in DBD is still not existing. There are several factors just on the killer side (these exist also on survivor side, but to keep it simple i don't go into detail about these here):
1. Killer skill - existing at a very wide range, there are new killer who will hardly get a 4k and you have people with more than 1k win streaks (which honestly shouldn't be possible)
2. Killer Type - Between killers like Twins and Blight there is a huge range in abilities to win a game
3. Addons - This makes the two above even more extreme, because there are addons existing which even weaken some killers power, so the addons can already on its own makie an average killer win a game which otherwise would be a loss
4. perks - Some perks are just way better than others, the pick rates of the perks speak for itself.

These four main killer balancing factors lead to a game experience which for an "average survivor" (again not mentioning those balancing factors) ranges from: you can stand no chance against the killer or you think this killer is just boring to play against.

Now taking into acount the survivor factors:
With the survivor having a similiar broad range when it comes to perks, addons, skill and SoloQ/SWF this leads to an even wider range of outcomes in the game. You can win the game as killer with 5 gens left, the same killer can lose without having one person hooked.

My oppinion on this is the following: As long this range is possible for the average killer and survivor and the amount of matches being "close calls" is extremely low (as i feel it is), the game will never be enjoyable in the long term. The only reason to contninue playing the game is to hope that a match will be fun, because it is a close win or a close loss. But the less it happens, the less fun the game is.

What has this to do with toxic killers: I believe the fact, that people who play the game "quite well" still face being bullied and lose makes people angry. It feels unfair. And that is why i believe you see this happening.

[Slippery Williams]

I don’t play maliciously but if a survivor has tried something bold or risky and I catch them out and down them, I might shake my head before picking them up as in ‘oh no you don’t…’ it’s just in character for me

[SurprisedPikachuFace]

Originally posted by Ackooba:

It's honestly a lot of perceptions, we live in some woke society where everyone wants to be the victim. I playfully shake "no no no" as in "good try, but I gotcha!" whereas you read "no you disgusting dog, you're getting put down!".

Usually I just laugh and take it but the hitting on hook or going out of their way to do things over just hooking the survivor and moving on is toxic behavior. You don't think hitting on hook and repeatedly using m2/special ability on you on hook isn't toxic behavior? Or slugging the person and body humping them on the floor and waiting until they have a tiny bit of health left to pick up?

Originally posted by sardster.ttv:

The "balancing" in DBD is still not existing.

What has this to do with toxic killers: I believe the fact, that people who play the game "quite well" still face being bullied and lose makes people angry. It feels unfair. And that is why i believe you see this happening.

I agree, some days I'm really frustrated in solo que because survivors have zero game awareness or common sense but I try to be nice regardless. Usually I DEFEND killers in end game chat when survivors try to have a go at them, because I've played killer, I know it can be stressful and frustrating too.

Originally posted by Raft:

Originally posted by Detri:

Sucks that we can't nod somehow.

I think you can nod. Look up and down. The red stain would go up and down.

Killers can nod, a lot of killers and I nod at each other. Its usually a respectful thing or could turn into a funny meme situation.

Originally posted by Dragonkick:

I don’t play maliciously but if a survivor has tried something bold or risky and I catch them out and down them, I might shake my head before picking them up as in ‘oh no you don’t…’ it’s just in character for me

I've had killers do that before and normally it is a fun 'haha' or they look away at where I messed up and then at me and I'm like, "Yeahh... I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ;_;"

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Raft:

I don't think it's toxic when killers do head shaking.

In all 3 examples, u clearly outplayed them since u've run them for 2+ gens.

I think of it as them playfully saying "Finally caught you! Revenge!"

Just take the wins in your lengthy chases.

If they throw verbal abuse/harassment at the endgame - now that's toxic. Then you can report them.

+1

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by SurprisedPikachuFace:

Originally posted by Ackooba:

It's honestly a lot of perceptions, we live in some woke society where everyone wants to be the victim. I playfully shake "no no no" as in "good try, but I gotcha!" whereas you read "no you disgusting dog, you're getting put down!".

Usually I just laugh and take it but the hitting on hook or going out of their way to do things over just hooking the survivor and moving on is toxic behavior. You don't think hitting on hook and repeatedly using m2/special ability on you on hook isn't toxic behavior? Or slugging the person and body humping them on the floor and waiting until they have a tiny bit of health left to pick up?

Originally posted by sardster.ttv:

The "balancing" in DBD is still not existing.

What has this to do with toxic killers: I believe the fact, that people who play the game "quite well" still face being bullied and lose makes people angry. It feels unfair. And that is why i believe you see this happening.

I agree, some days I'm really frustrated in solo que because survivors have zero game awareness or common sense but I try to be nice regardless. Usually I DEFEND killers in end game chat when survivors try to have a go at them, because I've played killer, I know it can be stressful and frustrating too.

Originally posted by Raft:

I think you can nod. Look up and down. The red stain would go up and down.

Killers can nod, a lot of killers and I nod at each other. Its usually a respectful thing or could turn into a funny meme situation.

Originally posted by Dragonkick:

I don’t play maliciously but if a survivor has tried something bold or risky and I catch them out and down them, I might shake my head before picking them up as in ‘oh no you don’t…’ it’s just in character for me

I've had killers do that before and normally it is a fun 'haha' or they look away at where I messed up and then at me and I'm like, "Yeahh... I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up ;_;"

"Or slugging the person and body humping them on the floor and waiting until they have a tiny bit of health left to pick up"

This one, I'd say is toxic, but the others, not so much(based on the info given). If I've had a really good surv that can do chases very well, I'll sometimes hit on hook, do m2 a few times, and then continue with the game. It's not toxic, as it's just a little celebratory thing. Not saying it can't be done toxically, but it, in and of itself, isn't.

[Broccoli & Cheese]

The action itself cannot be determined as toxic or not, you need both the action and intention to be considered together.

For example head shake or nod, the sole action itself cannot be determined as toxic without the consideration of the intention. The killer may nod with an intention of saying good chase or finally got you, or maybe really just about bm.

This also goes with survivor as well. like tbagging the killer with an intention to bait chase or maybe really just want to bm. Or as waiting in exit gate, with intention to wait for teammate or just bm to ask the killer watch you leave and intend to waste everybody's time.

[erandomone]

"Looped a Singularity for 2-3 gens and made him whiff several times, finally got downed head shook at and taken to basement (when I was across the map at pickup from basement) as I just gave up and wanted out."
Gamer, if this was true, you should have wiggled out.

This whole 'complaint' post just seems like a version of humblebrag posts

[Hex: Oni's Plaything]

Originally posted by Detri:

Originally posted by Raft:

I don't think it's toxic when killers do head shaking.

In all 3 examples, u clearly outplayed them since u've run them for 2+ gens.

I think of it as them playfully saying "Finally caught you! Revenge!"

Just take the wins in your lengthy chases.

If they throw verbal abuse/harassment at the endgame - now that's toxic. Then you can report them.

Sucks that we can't nod somehow.

Killers can nod. I've seen them do that and that's how I know they are being friendly and will help them out if they show me what they want to do. Or the fact they are just leaving me alone ig. Still wary of them because they still can turn on you as evidenced when there was a "friendly" demogorgon who downed and hooked the three other survivors while the gates were opened... I was the only one that lived because I kept my distance lol

[eh why not]

Nothing toxic in any of the games you listed, ppl too damn sensitive these days. If it's not using cheats, an exploit, or harassing messages etc... It's not toxic. Just play the damn game and get over it.

[SurprisedPikachuFace]

Originally posted by erandomone:

"Looped a Singularity for 2-3 gens and made him whiff several times, finally got downed head shook at and taken to basement (when I was across the map at pickup from basement) as I just gave up and wanted out."
Gamer, if this was true, you should have wiggled out.

This whole 'complaint' post just seems like a version of humblebrag posts

No, as I said I gave up, he had slugged the other survivor and downed me and I just wanted out, but the fact he specifically walked across the map to hook me in basement tells me a lot. There was no point wiggling free, 2 survivors were dead, 1 was slugged and I was the last with 2 gens to go. The game was over, no point in extending it.