games unplayable at high mmr for killer

[ApeOfMazor]

gens go way too fast and downing any survivor takes way too long. its no longer fun to play.

[ApeOfMazor]

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Not trying to be rude, but you sacrificed your first survivor last month and you reached Iri 1 as killer for the first time just this month. Why would you think you're at "high MMR"?

Despite everyone and their mother claiming to be at high MMR on these boards, the vast majority of this game's playerbase are sitting somewhere in the middle, that more than likely includes you.


Edit: Looking at your post history, it seems that you just started tunnelling people out at soon as you got the game, so it's no wonder you're having trouble. You've boosted yourself to an MMR level which you never learned to actually compete in (I still don't think you're at high MMR). Rather than using the time at low MMR to learn how to play, you essentially bypassed it all by stomping survivors with ease and now you're facing survivors with similar MMR to you, except they've actually spent their time learning loops, mind-games etc.

This is precisely why many experienced players will recommend against new killers using perks like NOED as you're just setting yourself up for a bad time by winning games you have no business really winning.

My advice would be: lose a bunch of games, let your MMR drop back down to where it belongs and learn how to play as you go without artificially inflating your MMR to a point where you feel you are unable to compete.

I'm a former console player. I didnt have to tunnel to win at low mmr the survivors were incredibly bad. So you're just making a lot of wrong assumptions.

[ApeOfMazor]

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Not trying to be rude, but you sacrificed your first survivor last month and you reached Iri 1 as killer for the first time just this month. Why would you think you're at "high MMR"?

Despite everyone and their mother claiming to be at high MMR on these boards, the vast majority of this game's playerbase are sitting somewhere in the middle, that more than likely includes you.


Edit: Looking at your post history, it seems that you just started tunnelling people out at soon as you got the game, so it's no wonder you're having trouble. You've boosted yourself to an MMR level which you never learned to actually compete in (I still don't think you're at high MMR). Rather than using the time at low MMR to learn how to play, you essentially bypassed it all by stomping survivors with ease and now you're facing survivors with similar MMR to you, except they've actually spent their time learning loops, mind-games etc.

This is precisely why many experienced players will recommend against new killers using perks like NOED as you're just setting yourself up for a bad time by winning games you have no business really winning.

My advice would be: lose a bunch of games, let your MMR drop back down to where it belongs and learn how to play as you go without artificially inflating your MMR to a point where you feel you are unable to compete.

I'm a former console player. I didnt have to tunnel to win at low mmr the survivors were incredibly bad. So you're just making a lot of wrong assumptions.

Oh and im constantly yoyoing around now getting easy 4k's then being thrown to the wolves where i can barely do anything. i'm not using meta builds either.

[A Generic Name]

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

I'm a former console player. I didnt have to tunnel to win at low mmr the survivors were incredibly bad. So you're just making a lot of wrong assumptions.

If I had a penny for every time a new player claimed to play on another platform...I wouldn't be rich, but I'd have a lot of pennies. Now I'm not saying you're lying, but only you know if that's true or not.

You stated that tunnelling gets you more kills, in another thread you stated that tunnelling is the logical thing to do if you want to win as killer. You're not at high MMR...so who are you tunnelling if not low MMR survivors?

Also:

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

Players need to start taking some accountability and trying to actually perform better at the game. It's becoming very clear reading the current sentiment about this game is that people are bored of it because its balanced better than before. They want fun injected into the game in terms of them (usually survivors) getting op perks that let them make a fool of the killer instead of ya know learning the game a little bit better so they can have better matches.

Obv the game still has a lot of problems but I really think the game is in a better place if you want a fair match where everyone actually tries to win.

I'm guessing that you lost a few games after obliterating people for a while (did you care or complain in the same manner about the fact that the survivors you faced stood little to no chance, by the way?) and came here to state that the game is unplayable at high MMR.

[A Generic Name]

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Those stats definitely exist, we just don't have access to them. If games were as impossible at high MMR as people on these boards often claim then changes would be made.

Anyone can see instances online of both survivors and killers completely stomping the opposite side at high MMR, whether that be on YouTube or Twitch/any other streaming site.

This game doesn't suddenly become impossible to win at high MMR for one side unless you aren't skilled enough to be there in the first place, in which case you'll be dropped down to a more appropriate MMR as you lose.

We have access to some of that info, from the Feb 15th stats update, over here... https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405382/new-stats-feb-15th-2024/p1

Thanks for that! I missed this as I haven't paid much attention to "news" regarding DBD recently. It would appear that the overall kill/survival rates at high MMR do not really differ too much to the kill/survival rates across all MMR levels, unless of course there's a 4 man SWF involved at high MMR, which alters those survival rates pretty significantly. This doesn't surprise me at all.

[ApeOfMazor]

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

I'm a former console player. I didnt have to tunnel to win at low mmr the survivors were incredibly bad. So you're just making a lot of wrong assumptions.

If I had a penny for every time a new player claimed to play on another platform...I wouldn't be rich, but I'd have a lot of pennies. Now I'm not saying you're lying, but only you know if that's true or not.

You stated that tunnelling gets you more kills, in another thread you stated that tunnelling is the logical thing to do if you want to win as killer. You're not at high MMR...so who are you tunnelling if not low MMR survivors?

Also:

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

Players need to start taking some accountability and trying to actually perform better at the game. It's becoming very clear reading the current sentiment about this game is that people are bored of it because its balanced better than before. They want fun injected into the game in terms of them (usually survivors) getting op perks that let them make a fool of the killer instead of ya know learning the game a little bit better so they can have better matches.

Obv the game still has a lot of problems but I really think the game is in a better place if you want a fair match where everyone actually tries to win.

I'm guessing that you lost a few games after obliterating people for a while (did you care or complain in the same manner about the fact that the survivors you faced stood little to no chance, by the way?) and came here to state that the game is unplayable at high MMR.

actually yes i did complain about it. i made a post here awhile ago complaining that its too easy. i guess you missed that one. i stomped over 100 games at 90%+ killrate. did i tunnel? not intentionally at all but survivors put themselves in that position. do i need to tunnel where i am now? yes absolutely as otherwise all gens are done too fast if i go for 12 hooks especially when i use random killers and non-meta builds.

https://psnprofiles.com/ApeOfMazor

i have the platinum in both ps5 and ps4 versions. i dont know the time i have in it but i know its over 2k hours.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

We have access to some of that info, from the Feb 15th stats update, over here... https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/405382/new-stats-feb-15th-2024/p1

Thanks for that! I missed this as I haven't paid much attention to "news" regarding DBD recently. It would appear that the overall kill/survival rates at high MMR do not really differ too much to the kill/survival rates across all MMR levels, unless of course there's a 4 man SWF involved at high MMR, which alters those survival rates pretty significantly. This doesn't surprise me at all.

No problem! I don't pay too much attention to news, either, but being on the discussions and whatnot, I tend to look up info, based on what's said, so ja. XP

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

If I had a penny for every time a new player claimed to play on another platform...I wouldn't be rich, but I'd have a lot of pennies. Now I'm not saying you're lying, but only you know if that's true or not.

You stated that tunnelling gets you more kills, in another thread you stated that tunnelling is the logical thing to do if you want to win as killer. You're not at high MMR...so who are you tunnelling if not low MMR survivors?

Also:


I'm guessing that you lost a few games after obliterating people for a while (did you care or complain in the same manner about the fact that the survivors you faced stood little to no chance, by the way?) and came here to state that the game is unplayable at high MMR.

actually yes i did complain about it. i made a post here awhile ago complaining that its too easy. i guess you missed that one. i stomped over 100 games at 90%+ killrate. did i tunnel? not intentionally at all but survivors put themselves in that position. do i need to tunnel where i am now? yes absolutely as otherwise all gens are done too fast if i go for 12 hooks especially when i use random killers and non-meta builds.

https://psnprofiles.com/ApeOfMazor

i have the platinum in both ps5 and ps4 versions. i dont know the time i have in it but i know its over 2k hours.

I've not seen said complaint about it being easy, with a quick Ctrl + F skim through your posts.

[A Generic Name]

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

actually yes i did complain about it. i made a post here awhile ago complaining that its too easy. i guess you missed that one. i stomped over 100 games at 90%+ killrate. did i tunnel? not intentionally at all but survivors put themselves in that position. do i need to tunnel where i am now? yes absolutely as otherwise all gens are done too fast if i go for 12 hooks especially when i use random killers and non-meta builds.

https://psnprofiles.com/ApeOfMazor

i have the platinum in both ps5 and ps4 versions. i dont know the time i have in it but i know its over 2k hours.

No extra penny for me then.

I saw your post about destroying survivors for 70-80 games, but I didn't see a complaint.

Nobody ever NEEDS to tunnel "where they are" MMR wise. If you physically can't win games without tunnelling at all then you're in an MMR bracket which you don't belong in, it's as simple as that.

If you can only get kills by tunnelling then the survivor's you're facing are better than you at the game, should win and you could probably do to lose some games until your MMR drops to a more appropriate spot for your skill level. You shouldn't win against teams that are better than you. If people in general were a little better at handling defeat, particularly in something as meaningless as a video game, then nobody would play this way or feel the "need" to. Nobody on either side finds it an enjoyable way to play this game.

[Bing Bong]

Stories changing now. Random killers and "non meta" builds (however you define that I have had a billy player running embroke,lethal, bbq, tink and say they arent meta).

Can guarentee that is the problem here not whatever "have to tunnel" essay...thing you put in here.

You have your answer as to why you are struggling.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Originally posted by ApeOfMazor:

actually yes i did complain about it. i made a post here awhile ago complaining that its too easy. i guess you missed that one. i stomped over 100 games at 90%+ killrate. did i tunnel? not intentionally at all but survivors put themselves in that position. do i need to tunnel where i am now? yes absolutely as otherwise all gens are done too fast if i go for 12 hooks especially when i use random killers and non-meta builds.

https://psnprofiles.com/ApeOfMazor

i have the platinum in both ps5 and ps4 versions. i dont know the time i have in it but i know its over 2k hours.

No extra penny for me then.

I saw your post about destroying survivors for 70-80 games, but I didn't see a complaint.

Nobody ever NEEDS to tunnel "where they are" MMR wise. If you physically can't win games without tunnelling at all then you're in an MMR bracket which you don't belong in, it's as simple as that.

If you can only get kills by tunnelling then the survivor's you're facing are better than you at the game, should win and you could probably do to lose some games until your MMR drops to a more appropriate spot for your skill level. You shouldn't win against teams that are better than you. If people in general were a little better at handling defeat, particularly in something as meaningless as a video game, then nobody would play this way or feel the "need" to. Nobody on either side finds it an enjoyable way to play this game.

I'd disagree, here. I enjoy the more defensive vs offensive plays, which tunneling kinda requires. Sure, most probably dislike it, but not everyone dislikes.

[Sluzzy]

So unplayable killers can win thousands of matches uncontested in a row at "high mmr"
hmmm....

[A Generic Name]

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

No extra penny for me then.

I saw your post about destroying survivors for 70-80 games, but I didn't see a complaint.

Nobody ever NEEDS to tunnel "where they are" MMR wise. If you physically can't win games without tunnelling at all then you're in an MMR bracket which you don't belong in, it's as simple as that.

If you can only get kills by tunnelling then the survivor's you're facing are better than you at the game, should win and you could probably do to lose some games until your MMR drops to a more appropriate spot for your skill level. You shouldn't win against teams that are better than you. If people in general were a little better at handling defeat, particularly in something as meaningless as a video game, then nobody would play this way or feel the "need" to. Nobody on either side finds it an enjoyable way to play this game.

I'd disagree, here. I enjoy the more defensive vs offensive plays, which tunneling kinda requires. Sure, most probably dislike it, but not everyone dislikes.

Fair enough, the vast majority/anyone who isn't LittleEtherKitty* ;) (you're honestly the first person I've ever seen call tunnelling fun).

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

I'd disagree, here. I enjoy the more defensive vs offensive plays, which tunneling kinda requires. Sure, most probably dislike it, but not everyone dislikes.

Fair enough, the vast majority/anyone who isn't LittleEtherKitty* ;) (you're honestly the first person I've ever seen call tunnelling fun).

It's more fun than playing time the space bar. Barely anyone tunnels me, though, because I'm usually dead on first hook, and commonly the last one to be hooked. xwx I get into chases, commonly, though, so it's not like I'm hiding in some backwater corner or something.

[Broccoli & Cheese]

Originally posted by A Generic Name:

Originally posted by LittleEtherKitty:

I'd disagree, here. I enjoy the more defensive vs offensive plays, which tunneling kinda requires. Sure, most probably dislike it, but not everyone dislikes.

Fair enough, the vast majority/anyone who isn't LittleEtherKitty* ;) (you're honestly the first person I've ever seen call tunnelling fun).

The thing is actually people don't hate tunneling, they hate going down far too fast instead. If a killer try to tunnel you out and you manage to stay alive for long time, you probably will feel superior.

I remember a doctor (yes it always doctor, idk why) tried so hard to tunnel me out in coldwind map, then ended up getting looped for entire match. At the end, everyone escaped except me, but I didn't feel mad rather I felt proud of myself and even my teammates said thank you for my sacrifice. If the doctor decided to drop chase or tunnel someone else, the outcome could be different.

Tunneling could be fun if you can loop and outplay the killers, at least I have more fun in it than doing a 90s gen.

[ApeOfMazor]

Originally posted by Jak:

Stories changing now. Random killers and "non meta" builds (however you define that I have had a billy player running embroke,lethal, bbq, tink and say they arent meta).

Can guarentee that is the problem here not whatever "have to tunnel" essay...thing you put in here.

You have your answer as to why you are struggling.

Its not changing at all yall just wanna stick to this narrative that i suck. Even the pros are tunneling. High mmr is absolute dookie unless the survivors start making big mistakes the game is over for killer trying to play fair. If they are good at looping and prerun its done for, simply not enough time. And yes i yoyo back and forth. One game i stomp, the next i am destroyed by an obvious swf team. And yeah i literally random my killer with a website and just play so maybe i should just pick a high tier and master it. You got me there.