Developer, why even get involved with this shady publisher?

[Empress Misery]

Starbreeze (who are actually just a shell run by Overkill) unless you are unaware have a long history of outright scams, half truths and lies for years now as well as being associated with low quality dated junk and outright unpolished shovelware. They were recently in the running for worst developer/publisher and just lost out to Konami (somehow) after all.

We know that they likely lie to you more than they have lied to us, but signing contracts with them is a terrible idea, and their stained reputation (to put it nicely) will probably come to stain yours in the future and anything you come to do the more you get involved with them. You have a chance now to distance yourself from these people which is probably the best thing to do, unless you yourselves intend to do these kind of things, it's probably of no benefit.

But even if you can't get away from these people due to them pouring money into you, or owning you, it's probably a good idea not to put an unpopular a guy known for a long list of scams and lies and dodging the truth in your videos. It doesn't come across well for your truthworthy rating especially if you wish to secure preorders which are afterall secured on trust. So what exactly do you hope to gain from this relationship?

[Screenfunfan]

Empress Misery původně napsal:

Starbreeze [...] unless you are unaware have a long history of [...] being associated with low quality dated junk and outright unpolished shovelware.

(without counting the Overkill stuff) Starbreeze has Brought out such Things as:
-Chronicles of Riddick. Escape from Butcher Bay (as well as Assault on Dark Athena)
-The Darkness (1)
-Brothers: A Tale of Two sons
-Syndicate
-Enclave
-Knights of the Temple
-The Outforce
4 of these are Really good
3 of these are games that I have never played (so they could be anything)
and Syndicate was...eh. Could have gotten WAY worse.
So neither does Starbreeze have a Long List of Games (which is a point that I am now adding, because it seems to further illustrate my Point on this) nor does it have a long History of low quality dated junk or outright unpolished shovelware.
It is interessting to see that especially the negative part of the Overkill community is jumping on this, just because Starbreeze is doing the publishing, rather than imagining if they would enjoy the setting and the Concept. Can't you just wait out to see how this game will develop to Release Day? There can still happen a lot.

[Sterling]

tavish30 původně napsal:

Fearell původně napsal:

What SCAMS? Name ONE scam? Just name one SCAM

"There will be no microtransactions in PD2. Shame on you if you thought otherwise !"

BLACK MARKET CUSTOMIZATION UPDATE.

There , have an example.

the act of obtaining crates is free.

[Sterling]

capt.jackharkness původně napsal:

Fearell původně napsal:

What SCAMS? Name ONE scam? Just name one SCAM

Sure:
Overkill Packk and Complete Overkill Pack

While the COVKPack was aviable it was CLEARLY stated SEVERAL times it does NOT contain the OVKPack items and you have to buy both packs if you want all the content.
When the COVKPack was released it suddenly contained the OVKPack as well, so you didn't need to buy it when you were to purchase the complete pack as well.

This is actual scam!

this is so meaningless

[ZastavaArms_Tavish]

Ryuu The Gaymer původně napsal:

tavish30 původně napsal:

"There will be no microtransactions in PD2. Shame on you if you thought otherwise !"

BLACK MARKET CUSTOMIZATION UPDATE.

There , have an example.

the act of obtaining crates is free.

So what ? You still need superare keys to open them. If you play without buying keys you might get 2 skins at most in like 200 hours of playtime

[Empress Misery]

TheScreen | NerdStar.de | TCE původně napsal:

It is interessting to see that especially the negative part of the Overkill community is jumping on this, just because Starbreeze is doing the publishing, rather than imagining if they would enjoy the setting and the Concept. Can't you just wait out to see how this game will develop to Release Day? There can still happen a lot.

Starbreeze for all intents and purposes no longer exist. They are a shell company that were reverse mergered with. The CEO of Starbreeze is the owner of Overkill afterall. The company that released all but one of those games basically does not exist anymore. It's Overkill who bought them to get publically traded the easy and fast way.

[AI-bino]

tavish30 původně napsal:

Ryuu The Gaymer původně napsal:

the act of obtaining crates is free.

So what ? You still need superare keys to open them. If you play without buying keys you might get 2 skins at most in like 200 hours of playtime

Now that ain't true! I've gotten 2 in the span of <50 hours! :U

[Crusty Teddy]

This game looked promising until they partnered up with Overkill.

[Prof.Jackie]

Ryuu The Gaymer původně napsal:

capt.jackharkness původně napsal:

Sure:
Overkill Packk and Complete Overkill Pack

While the COVKPack was aviable it was CLEARLY stated SEVERAL times it does NOT contain the OVKPack items and you have to buy both packs if you want all the content.
When the COVKPack was released it suddenly contained the OVKPack as well, so you didn't need to buy it when you were to purchase the complete pack as well.

This is actual scam!

this is so meaningless

ouch

[AI-bino]

Time původně napsal:

This game looked promising until they partnered up with Overkill.

Dang dude. I know you don't trust Starbreeze, but dropping all interest over Death by Daylight because of their partnership sounds harsh. .-.

[Empress Misery]

Gamecool 10 původně napsal:

Dang dude. I know you don't trust Starbreeze, but dropping all interest over Death by Daylight because of their partnership sounds harsh. .-.

Problem is, if Overkill have an owning interest as a publisher, they will more than likely be the ones setting the DLC/microtransactions/in game advertizing policies. So as we know they are very money hungry and like to tear things into little pieces for maximum greed it's likely that will spill over. It's going to be a factor in the future of the game who is running things behind the scenes.

[Rika]

Game looked interesting until I saw the publisher. Decided to pre-empt it eventually showing up in my daily queue and just click "Not interested".

Doesn't actually help that there is literally nothing more than the developers talking about how amazing the game is along with some concept art on the store page.

Ryuu The Gaymer původně napsal:

capt.jackharkness původně napsal:

Sure:
Overkill Packk and Complete Overkill Pack

While the COVKPack was aviable it was CLEARLY stated SEVERAL times it does NOT contain the OVKPack items and you have to buy both packs if you want all the content.
When the COVKPack was released it suddenly contained the OVKPack as well, so you didn't need to buy it when you were to purchase the complete pack as well.

This is actual scam!

this is so meaningless

Ryuu The Gaymer původně napsal:

tavish30 původně napsal:

"There will be no microtransactions in PD2. Shame on you if you thought otherwise !"

BLACK MARKET CUSTOMIZATION UPDATE.

There , have an example.

the act of obtaining crates is free.

You're trying so hard it's almost cute.

[AI-bino]

Empress Misery původně napsal:

Gamecool 10 původně napsal:

Dang dude. I know you don't trust Starbreeze, but dropping all interest over Death by Daylight because of their partnership sounds harsh. .-.

Problem is, if Overkill have an owning interest as a publisher, they will more than likely be the ones setting the DLC/microtransactions/in game advertizing policies. So as we know they are very money hungry and like to tear things into little pieces for maximum greed it's likely that will spill over. It's going to be a factor in the future of the game who is running things behind the scenes.

I just think people are judgeing the entirety of the game to be bad because of the publisher.

I know that PAYDAY 2 has an ungodly amount of DLC, but the core game is still tons of fun!

[Empress Misery]

Gamecool 10 původně napsal:

I just think people are judgeing the entirety of the game to be bad because of the publisher.

I know that PAYDAY 2 has an ungodly amount of DLC, but the core game is still tons of fun!

Was, was lots of of fun. The developer abandoned fun and challenge for money, so the difficulty and focus on skill based cooperation was eroded in favor of skin trading hungry children, and the game was left as an empty easymode husk. The new advert based heists were all easy bag grinding boredom.

Now that Ovekrill are likely telling these guys what to do their same bad practices and lazy greedy ways will more than likely spill over here too. So we'll see pay to win DLC (like Evolve), lazy microtransactions, in game adverts and a few other insidious things Overkill are so fond of.

[MaxKredit]

Dont bother argue with the ones with made up minds, for every hater there are 10 or even 100 that likes the games.
Starbreeze/Overkills "dream" as Publishers is to make the game devs do what they want, couse they got bend over and ass ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by EA with their deals mostly.

The Microtransactions and what not in PD2 came from their tight contacts with he Valve crew, guess they wanted to try make PD2 more like CS:GO.
Didnt work very well though, this game sounds like a good concept and fun also.
But they have to go for either DLCs or microtransaction based game not both as PD2 did couse that hurts the game to much with whining players over how they cant afford every last bit of content they want to play.
Well i cant afford a Ferrari i dont whine over that, People cant afford everything they want and if they want it they might even have to save up for it :O (even games)
Young people have gotten a bit to spoiled and dont know ♥♥♥♥ about economics and whine when game devs actually want to get paid for their jobs (those monsters).

[ZastavaArms_Tavish]

Rambo původně napsal:

Dont bother argue with the ones with made up minds, for every hater there are 10 or even 100 that likes the games.
Starbreeze/Overkills "dream" as Publishers is to make the game devs do what they want, couse they got bend over and ass ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by EA with their deals mostly.

The Microtransactions and what not in PD2 came from their tight contacts with he Valve crew, guess they wanted to try make PD2 more like CS:GO.
Didnt work very well though, this game sounds like a good concept and fun also.
But they have to go for either DLCs or microtransaction based game not both as PD2 did couse that hurts the game to much with whining players over how they cant afford every last bit of content they want to play.
Well i cant afford a Ferrari i dont whine over that, People cant afford everything they want and if they want it they might even have to save up for it :O (even games)
Young people have gotten a bit to spoiled and dont know ♥♥♥♥ about economics and whine when game devs actually want to get paid for their jobs (those monsters).

Devs can get paid without using money hungry business practices. Overkill somehow managed to survive with no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like microtransactions or tons of DLC in PD;TH so obviously they should be able to survive on fair DLC in PD2.