Ban hawkins

[Liandre]

I dont even want to see it reworked at that point, just straight up ban that map from the game. It was so nice being one of the people that joined the game AFTER stranger things and therefor hawkins got removed from the game, why do i have to endure this map in 2024?

And no map rework on the roadmap either...

[Ivan]

I love this map! Use an offering if you want to avoid it.

[Corpse]

Welcome to pallet central.

[Squeaky the Zepa]

Hawkins is a great map. Never understood the hate for it back when it was first released, most people that hated it before the removal mourned its loss as well afterwards as well for whatever reason. Besides that, I still rarely see it, but suggesting a map should be banned for no reason other than YOU dislike it? Please offer some reasoning

[Elikir]

Originally posted by Squeaky the Zepa:

Never understood the hate for it back when it was first released.Please offer some reasoning

Well, i will give you some : its an indoor map, with many junction, many obstacles, you have very rarely if ever any straight lines with a good length

Which means any killers with dashes as mobility? get stopped by many hitboxes, good luck
Hillbilly is hard to play there (melee chainsaw, forget mobility dash), wesker hate it (hard to take a bend with him, and you have to deal with 2-3 at once to keep up), blight need to use most of his dashes to get his targets (he only keep up with the map thanks to his 5 dash)

Any killers using projectiles based power? hard to aim anything, with many junction, you can get cover at the last second, huntress struggle (even more with how her hatcher spawn from her), obstacles around pallet too high for nemesis to exploit (no need to crouch to avoid), trickster can keep up because he can spam many knives while moving

And you also have some infamous loops that survivors can easily exploit to force killers waste much more time than 2-3 pallets, and those loops can't be destroyed, and can be easily repeatable

i think the reason it was less hated before, is that you didn't have much ranged/mobility killer, and generators was done slower than nowadays, so wasting time wasn't an big issue back then

PS : i also forgot pinhead/cenobite, again because of frequent junction and annoying obstacles/walls, chain hunt barely manage to touch survivors, if ever, could probably handicap immobile survivors repairing (though i suspect some gen spawn being "protected" against chain hunt), but it will rarely help in chases, possesed chains can often being completely useless

[Liandre]

Originally posted by Elikir:

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There is my reasoning, i have talked about all these things aswell when hawkins got back freshly and i had the unfortune to see this map aswell in my gameplay.

I want to add a few more killers to the list: Pig, trapper, hag. Too slow to do ♥♥♥♥ on this map.

[Liandre]

Originally posted by Squeaky the Zepa:

Hawkins is a great map. Never understood the hate for it back when it was first released, most people that hated it before the removal mourned its loss as well afterwards as well for whatever reason. Besides that, I still rarely see it, but suggesting a map should be banned for no reason other than YOU dislike it? Please offer some reasoning

Elikir summarized it pretty well.

[Hex: Realm Offering]

Originally posted by Ivan:

I love this map! Use an offering if you want to avoid it.

Just use your offerings, stupid. It's not like they're limited use or anything.

Hawkins is a ♥♥♥♥ map. It's indoors so it's bad by default, but it's claustrophobic, nearly every pallet is either a god pallet or has another pallet less than 5 meters in view, upstairs has no hooks so if one doesn't spawn on the stairs you can just go ♥♥♥♥ yourself killer, it's easy to get lost despite the straightforward design because some walls may be open or closed at any given time, and there's too much invisible clutter.

Seriously, it should not be possible to collide with air when you zip down a straight hallway as Wesker.

[Little Baby Jane]

Pick hag and wipe the floor with any map and cs any one never have to worry about anything ..

[Alpharius]

Well, considering the fact that Behavior lately prioritized large and open maps, having Hawkins return was such a nice thing.

It's great for stealth- and setup- (Trapper, Hag, Dream Pallet Freddy) killers (aka. the killers that are f**** if they end up on maps like Eyrie or Coldwind).

[Elikir]

Originally posted by Zarzunabas:

It's great for stealth- and setup- (Trapper, Hag, Dream Pallet Freddy) killers (aka. the killers that are f**** if they end up on maps like Eyrie or Coldwind).

maps shouldn't be so binary : get hawkins? sucks to be wesker/huntress, ahppy trapper/hag
got eyrie? sucks to be trapper/had, but times for wesker/huntress

[Jah'Raksha]

Still better then RPD
I would've delete all indoor maps tho

[Elikir]

Originally posted by Jah'Raksha:

Still better then RPD
I would've delete all indoor maps tho

weirdly enough, i still prefer RPD over hawkins, more bigger rooms, more straight corridor, less trash obstacles/environment

Also hawkins have tendency to have arbitrary open/closed doors placement troughout rooms

Meanwhile RPD don't have weirds pathing to each room, less labyrinth

[Hex: Realm Offering]

Originally posted by Elikir:

Originally posted by Jah'Raksha:

Still better then RPD
I would've delete all indoor maps tho

weirdly enough, i still prefer RPD over hawkins, more bigger rooms, more straight corridor, less trash obstacles/environment

Also hawkins have tendency to have arbitrary open/closed doors placement troughout rooms

Meanwhile RPD don't have weirds pathing to each room, less labyrinth

They're both a different flavor of ♥♥♥♥.

One's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, the other's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Vanni]

Hawking was a map designed for older dbd. The problem with the map is that its still has its old design, many pallets and weird loops, very few lockers (more lockers were introduced when dredge got released, and hawkins was already gone when this happened) They should have revisited the map before reintroducing it alongside stranger things dlc

[FatherOfTheAbyss]

Originally posted by Corpse:

Welcome to pallet central.

The Gideon Meat Plant would like to have a word...I like Hawkins just remove most of the hallway ♥♥♥♥ and it would be cleaner and more enjoyable