I honestly hate WoO more than the old DH

[CHRIST IS KING ♰]

Like 10 times more than the old DH.

Whoever thought this perk is a good addition to the game is completely delusional.

Oh wow, giving survivors the exact location of the safe zones, and letting them know where they could greed pallets or not in case they have another one close. Amazing, pair that with the large amount of pallets on every map, it just makes up for a very enjoyable experience as a killer. And guess what ?!?!? The problematic killers, those considered OP, are not affected by it !!! CRAZY RIGHT ?

- "B-B-B-But it's a perk that only helps bad survivors"
Yeah ? Then why is everyone and their mom using it ? Why even SWFs use it ? Maybe cause they get to know if a pallet in a certain area was broken or not, and prevents them from going in a dead zone. CRAZY RIGHT ? The killer just broke all the pallets on half of the map, oh well, just don't go there, and make him break the other 15 pallets.

I really wonder why killers go hard on the 3 gen strat or just tunnel people quick, it's a mystery !

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Publicado originalmente por Fred:

Exactly this. Im even glad for Windows of opportunity from both sides of view. Its together with lithe my base perk on every survivor because it removes chances to run into deadzones and from a killer PoV thats 1 perk slot that isnt used for Endurance combos or genrush.

Ofc you're a WoO user, I'm willing to assume most of the people defending it in this thread are, either that or they play killers who can ignore pallets

yes, i often am a killer that ignored pallets
and WoO is one of my top..maybe 10-15 perks
people gave you a bunch of good advice here
blindness, zenshin time management is the biggest part imo
the ability to decide wich chase to commit to for how long and where to lead the chaase to
you can often get alot out of pretending to go away, look around you for 3 seconds and return from a differrent angle
and ofc wich way you chase the loop, from wich side you break the pallet

but i dont even know what killers make you feel this way
every killer has differrent approaches

[LunarisRuin]

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Publicado originalmente por Fred:

Exactly this. Im even glad for Windows of opportunity from both sides of view. Its together with lithe my base perk on every survivor because it removes chances to run into deadzones and from a killer PoV thats 1 perk slot that isnt used for Endurance combos or genrush.

Ofc you're a WoO user, I'm willing to assume most of the people defending it in this thread are, either that or they play killers who can ignore pallets

I don't use WoO (often) and when I do I never really get value from it, personally.

I play every killer. (Except Billy, f him)

I think WoO isn't as outrageous as you say it is though, especially considering 98% of this community, despite all the memes and whinging, are very, very average and below.

Maybe the odd and rare good survivor can "exploit" it but what can't they make OP, or at least seem OP?

[Steak]

WoO is nearly completely replaced by just learning the map. WoO is a poor scrapegoat tbh

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Publicado originalmente por Robert_Robusto:

WoO is nearly completely replaced by just learning the map. WoO is a poor scrapegoat tbh

Yeah cause you can magically know if the killer broke a pallet in a certain spot or not by simply learning the map, get a grip fella

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Yeah cause you can magically know if the killer broke a pallet in a certain spot or not by simply learning the map, get a grip fella

Good killers dont break pallets*. Thats your problem. You have NO idea how to play killer.
Just watch YT or TTV to see how skilled killers play.

*unless its god pallet like shack, midwich ladeer pallet etc. but there is such 1-2 pallets on maps

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Publicado originalmente por Robert_Robusto:

WoO is nearly completely replaced by just learning the map. WoO is a poor scrapegoat tbh

Yeah cause you can magically know if the killer broke a pallet in a certain spot or not by simply learning the map, get a grip fella

You can if you run Alert, you'd also know if a killer kicked a gen and where they are at certain points of a chase. But I doubt you're worried about Alert and most killers aren't, WoO only exists as a way to effectively route when you are chasing, but it's not a instant win, just a tool, the same as how killer powers are a tool, and many different perks are tools, such as "I'm all Ears", which is a great perk for understanding how survivors move and how to effectively cut them off.

[Snow]

Just Run Ultimate Weapon. It's a META Perk right now and It Hurts WoO users.

I'll add a few points -


-It gained a massive rise in popularity with the meta shake up because The Cooldown was removed from it.

WoO Is not just for learning Maps, or for new survivors. I'd argue that only really strong survivors can push it to the level where It really shines compared to just using your eyeballs to scout around the gen you're at.

It only starts to show Its value when you're able to chain multiple tiles together, meaning you just beat the killer at Multiple pallets(Either you won the mindgame, or were able to drop a strong pallet they're forced to break without getting hit). Otherwise If its a short chase, you don't need windows, you do a quick pre-scout of your area around your gens using you 3rd person.

TLDR- WoO Is only valuable if you are good enough to be able to run the killer long enough to enter into Zones you were not able to pre-scout.

-It is a perk that helps bridge the gap between soloQ and swf, but it is still strong on SWF. Even If they're a comp team running clock call outs. It's impossible to effectively relay information about every tile that's been broken. Idk what some of you people imagine SWF to be, but It's not as coordinated as you think :,D. You can do major call outs like shack/main/ certain other tiles if the teammates are near and see exactly where you're at. But compared to just slapping On WoO?

-It helps you see where chases are occurring exactly, watching pallets being thrown while sitting on a gen is great information.


It's borderline S tier right now. But As others have said there's OTHER more troublesome perks out there that need to be addressed. When a 4man SWF really sets out to win, they aren't slapping on WoO. You want to look at those perks first.

I run it in every one of my soloQ builds, as soloQ Is just miserable to begin with. The information WoO gives is crucial for solos. While SWF may not be able to give exact information of what pallets are used. They can give you enough of a general Idea. Plus all the other information they can give out.

Nerfing windows right now will harm soloQ Far more than SWF, which is not something we want as SoloQ is already in a horrible position.

[Valkyrine ♡]

Killers have Zanshin Tactics. That's literally the killer equivalent of Windows... Killers are faster than survivors, killers have killer powers to close in distance gaps quickly, you have a killer power that LITERALLY teleports through walls. Do you need to completely get rid of survivor perks to win oor...?

[Liandre]

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Good killers dont break pallets

Situational, even if its not a God pallet if you can affort the time to kick it, kick it. 1 less obstacle to play around. Unless its a noob-trap pallet that is so unsafe the survivor corners themselves and you can easyly swing around it.

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Publicado originalmente por Peaches ♡:

Killers have Zanshin Tactics. That's literally the killer equivalent of Windows... Killers are faster than survivors, killers have killer powers to close in distance gaps quickly, you have a killer power that LITERALLY teleports through walls. Do you need to completely get rid of survivor perks to win oor...?

Saying that Zanshin Tactics is the equivalent of WoO just proves how flawed your thinking is.

It's futile for a killer to know where a pallet is cause in most cases he will not be able to beat the survivor to that place unless he's playing one of the OP killers.

Saying that killers are faster so Zanshin Tactics should be useful is so laughable, the killers would need to be fast enough to beat the survivor to that pallet or window in order to make use of this perk, which is not the case.

Like just stop it, you embarrass yourself

[Weruat]

Publicado originalmente por Out Of Touch:

Publicado originalmente por Peaches ♡:

Killers have Zanshin Tactics. That's literally the killer equivalent of Windows... Killers are faster than survivors, killers have killer powers to close in distance gaps quickly, you have a killer power that LITERALLY teleports through walls. Do you need to completely get rid of survivor perks to win oor...?

Saying that Zanshin Tactics is the equivalent of WoO just proves how flawed your thinking is.

It's futile for a killer to know where a pallet is cause in most cases he will not be able to beat the survivor to that place unless he's playing one of the OP killers.

Saying that killers are faster so Zanshin Tactics should be useful is so laughable, the killers would need to be fast enough to beat the survivor to that pallet or window in order to make use of this perk, which is not the case.

Like just stop it, you embarrass yourself

Actually I think you're the one embarrassing yourself here. If you're unable to zone and prevent a survivor from reaching another pallet, then you're not playing the pallet properly and that's on you. Learn the difference between safe and unsafe pallets and understand when the best point to break them is. Use your Killer Power and actually learn rather than just blame a perk that at best gives info that you can easily utilize yourself. You're the one who is too reluctant to actually change or learn and would rather blame something else for your own failute.

[Liandre]

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Saying that Zanshin Tactics is the equivalent of WoO just proves how flawed your thinking is.

Why? it does exactly the same.

Publicado originalmente por Out Of Touch:

It's futile for a killer to know where a pallet is cause in most cases he will not be able to beat the survivor to that place unless he's playing one of the OP killers.

If you give blight to someone who has never played DBD before they will be stunned aswell.

There is many pressing issiues for the killer side, WoO isnt one of em.

Publicado originalmente por Out Of Touch:

Saying that killers are faster so Zanshin Tactics should be useful is so laughable, the killers would need to be fast enough to beat the survivor to that pallet or window in order to make use of this perk, which is not the case.

If you got the same information as the survivor does, you truly can try to block their way because you know where they are gonna run OR use it like WoO users do it. See which reccourses have been used up alredy. If you run into an area with a finished gen and the survivor is injured, maybe if all reccourses are still there, you rather go pressure a gen you know is about to pop soon, instead getting a sacrifice but then you loose a gen in return. Thats what zanshin tactics can be used for, the fact noone uses it is only because there are better choices for killer perks.

Publicado originalmente por Out Of Touch:

Like just stop it, you embarrass yourself

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[Valkyrine ♡]

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Publicado originalmente por Peaches ♡:

Killers have Zanshin Tactics. That's literally the killer equivalent of Windows... Killers are faster than survivors, killers have killer powers to close in distance gaps quickly, you have a killer power that LITERALLY teleports through walls. Do you need to completely get rid of survivor perks to win oor...?

Saying that Zanshin Tactics is the equivalent of WoO just proves how flawed your thinking is.

It's futile for a killer to know where a pallet is cause in most cases he will not be able to beat the survivor to that place unless he's playing one of the OP killers.

Saying that killers are faster so Zanshin Tactics should be useful is so laughable, the killers would need to be fast enough to beat the survivor to that pallet or window in order to make use of this perk, which is not the case.

Like just stop it, you embarrass yourself

Another person who can't handle someone else's input if it isn't agreeing with them. No, it is like WoO, you just don't know how to use it properly. If you think WoO is the worst thing survivors have, you need to maybe just get better at mindgaming and just being a better killer in general. Mid tier killers can work around Windows just fine lol.

Sounds like an overall skill issue to me. But keep crying for more survivor nerfs.

[CHRIST IS KING ♰]

Publicado originalmente por Weruat:

Publicado originalmente por Out Of Touch:

Saying that Zanshin Tactics is the equivalent of WoO just proves how flawed your thinking is.

It's futile for a killer to know where a pallet is cause in most cases he will not be able to beat the survivor to that place unless he's playing one of the OP killers.

Saying that killers are faster so Zanshin Tactics should be useful is so laughable, the killers would need to be fast enough to beat the survivor to that pallet or window in order to make use of this perk, which is not the case.

Like just stop it, you embarrass yourself

Actually I think you're the one embarrassing yourself here. If you're unable to zone and prevent a survivor from reaching another pallet, then you're not playing the pallet properly and that's on you. Learn the difference between safe and unsafe pallets and understand when the best point to break them is. Use your Killer Power and actually learn rather than just blame a perk that at best gives info that you can easily utilize yourself. You're the one who is too reluctant to actually change or learn and would rather blame something else for your own failute.

Bro i'm starting to think that I'm speaking to second graders here.

Zone and prevent a survivor from reaching another pallet ? The survivor will literally just run in circles and vault over the pallet that he dropped until I finally break it, when he will use that time to make it to another pallet.

IDK why you guys hold on to this "crutch" perk with your dear lives if it's so underpowered.

"Oh it's just a weak perk guise, you don't really need it hehehe. BUT DON'T NERF IT, YOU NOOB, BABY KILLERS JUST L2P, GIT GUD, DONT MIND THAT WE ALL USE IT"

[Valkyrine ♡]

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Publicado originalmente por Weruat:

Actually I think you're the one embarrassing yourself here. If you're unable to zone and prevent a survivor from reaching another pallet, then you're not playing the pallet properly and that's on you. Learn the difference between safe and unsafe pallets and understand when the best point to break them is. Use your Killer Power and actually learn rather than just blame a perk that at best gives info that you can easily utilize yourself. You're the one who is too reluctant to actually change or learn and would rather blame something else for your own failute.

Bro i'm starting to think that I'm speaking to second graders here.

Zone and prevent a survivor from reaching another pallet ? The survivor will literally just run in circles and vault over the pallet that he dropped until I finally break it, when he will use that time to make it to another pallet.

IDK why you guys hold on to this "crutch" perk with your dear lives if it's so underpowered.

"Oh it's just a weak perk guise, you don't really need it hehehe. BUT DON'T NERF IT, YOU NOOB, BABY KILLERS JUST L2P, GIT GUD, DONT MIND THAT WE ALL USE IT"

Maybe you need to play the killer tutorial again... or just play against bots... with no perks or items equipped on them...