Can there be a 'Non SWF queue'?

[Bird]

I say this as both a survivor and a killer, and as someone who has played in survive with friends groups and outside of them, but SWF is probably one of the worst things they added to DBD.

When playing with friends
It's mostly sitting silent in the call since you have to focus so you can listen to important audio tells (skill checks, lullabyes, heartbeats, crows, etc.) with the occasional call out. Obviously some banter may occur and that's great, but that enhances any game. Also I can't help but focus on my friends and not the random people we get (Sorry randoms) and with certain perks being almost useless with SWF (Kindred, for example) it feels like it neuters a lot of the game.

More importantly, it takes away any horror from a would be horror title.
Short of jump scares from Ghost Face or Myers, my friends and I can just talk it all away, where when i'm playing alone, there's a genuinely creepy feeling as i'm constantly swiveling my camera around while repairing generators looking for anything to help me where normally it would be my friend in comms telling me where the killer was last spotted.

When playing solo
It's normal solo play, but at best the survivors will focus on their friends (no judgment, I do it too, see above) and at worst the other survivors will flame you if you don't play their way. I had a survivor grab a flashlight while I had a medkit, he left it beside me and kept pointing at it. I wanted to keep my medkit so I left it alone and shook my head no, and he and his buddy continued to follow me and lead the killer to me, refusing to unhook me. In after game they said the usual internet toxic slurs (uninstall, you're bad, mad cuz bad, ♥♥♥, etc.) and blamed me for everything because I didn't want their yellow flashlight. Since they already knew each other obviously they could just gang up and do whatever they wanted because who's going to disagree? The one killer who just got an easy 4k?

When playing killer
SWF just sucks to play against. You can tell because you're chasing a survivor around for forever, then you down them and their buddy runs in to try and flashlight save. You avoid that, then another sabos the hook, so you walk it to the other hook, only for it to be blocked and you to lose the 1 hook while everyone is teabagging. Loops for days, flashlights for days, and then the after game chat with the usual DBD toxicity (♥♥♥, uninstall, mad cuz bad, baby killer, etc.) The game is just patently unfair and while I feel like the devs are starting to balance around this, it makes it so you HAVE to play in SWF or else you're not playing because the killer is way overtuned to have to deal with these mentally unstable sociopaths that get their human interaction with DbD.

I'm not saying take SWF out...It's here and basically here to stay and some people only play to play with friends. That's fine. But maybe make another queue with more bloodpoint gains to entice people? Think about it like Mercenaries (or whatever it's called) in Call of Duty where you can't join in a party. Hell, lower the killer stats or disable certain perks on either side to better balance it. I'm not sure the answer.

All I know is that SWF sucks and I wish I was playing a Dead By Daylight that didn't have it.

[Glory]

asked for multiple modes for years behavior does not care
is what it is

[LoafEye]

Originally posted by Bird:

When playing solo
It's normal solo play, but at best the survivors will focus on their friends (no judgment, I do it too, see above) and at worst the other survivors will flame you if you don't play their way. I had a survivor grab a flashlight while I had a medkit, he left it beside me and kept pointing at it. I wanted to keep my medkit so I left it alone and shook my head no, and he and his buddy continued to follow me and lead the killer to me, refusing to unhook me. In after game they said the usual internet toxic slurs (uninstall, you're bad, mad cuz bad, ♥♥♥, etc.) and blamed me for everything because I didn't want their yellow flashlight. Since they already knew each other obviously they could just gang up and do whatever they wanted because who's going to disagree? The one killer who just got an easy 4k?

The whole post is a lot to digest, but this stood out a bit more to me. This seems like an extreme case and very seldom happens. Are you playing with cross-play on? That may mitigate these instances, since that's how I play and I can't say I've had an example like this from other survivors.

For me, playing SWF makes me a million times worse. I don't know why, but it does. Maybe it's my goopy goblin brain and I can't focus even without communication happening, or the SWF puts you with better killers and I just get got, who knows. When I play solo, I do fairly well.

Either way, cross-play will help with post game toxicity, because they won't (or can't?) type.

[Generic Fodder]

This would be nice.

[🅸🅲🅴🅸🅲🅴🅱🅰🅱🆈]

Let's have a non-SWF queue AND a non-bubba queue, and a non-nurse queue, and a non-spirit queue, and a non-blight queue. just let survivors choose exactly which killers they're willing to play against and then let killers choose to not play against SWF. at the end of the day you'll end up with 90% of games being solo queue vs a handful of bad killers.

[Kou_Zidan]

I think it is safe to say Behavior doesn't want that to happen because it makes it easier for players to parse the data to prove the discrepancies between solo queue and SWF with each patch for both killers and survivors. The years have shown they are pretty close to the chest with regards to how they come to their decisions.

[DoctorDarling]

what game in the history of games has a "no friends allowed" mode

splitting the queue would do nothing good for people i know you're having bad experiences or whatever but this is just a really unrealistic request

[Bird]

Originally posted by DoctorDarlingTTV:

what game in the history of games has a "no friends allowed" mode

splitting the queue would do nothing good for people i know you're having bad experiences or whatever but this is just a really unrealistic request

Call of Duty is the first one I can think of and it's a really popular game mode. A bunch of battle royales as well.

[Bird]

Originally posted by LoFi Builds:

Originally posted by Bird:

When playing solo
It's normal solo play, but at best the survivors will focus on their friends (no judgment, I do it too, see above) and at worst the other survivors will flame you if you don't play their way. I had a survivor grab a flashlight while I had a medkit, he left it beside me and kept pointing at it. I wanted to keep my medkit so I left it alone and shook my head no, and he and his buddy continued to follow me and lead the killer to me, refusing to unhook me. In after game they said the usual internet toxic slurs (uninstall, you're bad, mad cuz bad, ♥♥♥, etc.) and blamed me for everything because I didn't want their yellow flashlight. Since they already knew each other obviously they could just gang up and do whatever they wanted because who's going to disagree? The one killer who just got an easy 4k?

The whole post is a lot to digest, but this stood out a bit more to me. This seems like an extreme case and very seldom happens. Are you playing with cross-play on? That may mitigate these instances, since that's how I play and I can't say I've had an example like this from other survivors.

For me, playing SWF makes me a million times worse. I don't know why, but it does. Maybe it's my goopy goblin brain and I can't focus even without communication happening, or the SWF puts you with better killers and I just get got, who knows. When I play solo, I do fairly well.

Either way, cross-play will help with post game toxicity, because they won't (or can't?) type.

It happens way more than I would like to admit. This game is like League of Legends in that it's known for its toxicity, so it's not a far stretch that this would happen to me. Worst still, this is just one example...I could list many more.

[BirdOfPray]

It would diverse the playerbase and swfs couldn't find match and it would be bad for playerbase health. I think this game needs to reward killers for getting bullied. The tougher the MMR the higher the BP etc. boost would be great.

[Alluboy]

I'd rather have them add a casual mode that has no grade system or mmr (keep those in ranked mode), where you don't have to sweat and people can just run fun builds and meme around, while keeping the amount of BPs you get from the matches the same as they are now. But also possibly increasing the BPs gained from ranked mode to give some incentive to play them, besides getting to just Iri 1 on whichever side you play. Or maybe even buffing the grade rewards themselves, like adding iridescent shards.

Oh and since it's casual mode, if there are going to be toxic people, you should be able to leave the match without penalties.

[ynstynct]

give swf killer que a 500% bp bonus at all times & give normal soloq killer no bonus ever give normal solo q survivor a 100% bp bonus at all times fixed ques but i bet people would still not want to play vs SWF as a killer id love running perks that work vs solos but not vs a team with coms and just chill a bunch of games but when i feel like having a stress attack que up vs sweats in that comp mode for the lovely bp bonus but thats just me

[A sober Irish man]

Originally posted by BirdOfPray:

It would diverse the playerbase and swfs couldn't find match and it would be bad for playerbase health. I think this game needs to reward killers for getting bullied. The tougher the MMR the higher the BP etc. boost would be great.

This, i would prefer a slight increase in exp shards tho, it would maybe bring more people to play killer if they intend to level faster to obtain shards for characters.

[MuszD]

2 System like soloq and swfq wouldn't working every Killer will prefer play against solo surv
and removing playing with friends is bad because playerbase would shrinking

So my Idea is give Killer thanatophobia as Basekit
all solo = 0%
1/2 duo = -4% on everthing
trio = -6% on everthing
quad = -8% on everthing
(Numbers can go up or down if its to strong or weak)

I mean if we get basekit BT (tunneling) and with the next patch basekit Deliverance(camping) why not something against SWF(toxic)

[mr.badluck]

Originally posted by MusDiz:

2 System like soloq and swfq wouldn't working every Killer will prefer play against solo surv
and removing playing with friends is bad because playerbase would shrinking

So my Idea is give Killer thanatophobia as Basekit
all solo = 0%
duo = -4% on everthing
trio = -6% on everthing
quad = -8% on everthing
(Numbers can go up or down if its to strong or weak)

I mean if we get basekit BT (tunneling) and with the next patch basekit Deliverance(camping) why not something against SWF(toxic)

And how that helps soloq as game is ballanced towards swf?

[MuszD]

Originally posted by Mostly Alice:

Originally posted by MusDiz:

2 System like soloq and swfq wouldn't working every Killer will prefer play against solo surv
and removing playing with friends is bad because playerbase would shrinking

So my Idea is give Killer thanatophobia as Basekit
all solo = 0%
1/2 duo = -4% on everthing
trio = -6% on everthing
quad = -8% on everthing
(Numbers can go up or down if its to strong or weak)

I mean if we get basekit BT (tunneling) and with the next patch basekit Deliverance(camping) why not something against SWF(toxic)

An interesting idea. The problem being SWF teams are not all good. Some are just friends messing about. -8% would ruin the game for them. Tricky stuff.

Its almost like they need a ranking system, and then some sort of balancing act on gen times.

agree better matchmaking system/ranking is the best option without harm swf newby im also fine with longer queues