How is the Onryo NOT OP?

[Oblivion]

I play both roles almost equally, but killer slightly moreso.
That said, I don't own the Onryo, but I play a lot against her as survivor.
Since I don't own her IDK the ins-and-outs of her power, but it just seems OP/Very strong that the killer can teleport across the map, and 99% of the TV's are right next to gens.

Am I wrong/missing something?

[Cookie]

You do understand that she has no chase power, right?

[Elettro46]

引用自 Zelph：

引用自 Elettro46：

all people that think onryo is fine just wanna have an easy way to win with no skill involved they know perfectly she's too strong and oppressive and that's why they defend her so hard it's literally no risk high reward and that's very bad game balance

No. We just know she isn't that good. She is an M1 killer with no secondary means of hitting people. M1 killers are NOT hard to play around. Her power is threatening, but if survivors simple PLAY AROUND IT, it does nothing. Its like trappers traps. If you play around them, they don't do much at all.

Like, lets go over some of the best killers:

Nurse: ignores loops, and a lot of other things. Can cross the map in seconds.
Blight: Similar to nurse, except still has to loop a little even with his power.
Spirit: Also fast, makes survivors guess where you are at loops.
Plague: Fastest downing potential of every killer, and forces cleansing/insta downs.
Wesker: Mobile, can play around loops, and can slow down survivors with his ability.

Now compare that to onryo: No anti loop. Very minor slow down with her power. If survivors hold tapes, her teleports do NOTHING at all.

Very major difference in power levels there.

good players play trapper with no traps and still win almost every game so this m1 killer argument makes no sense at all. you can't have a killer with the most oppressive power in the game (let's not count if she has the iri tape add-on that makes you go to the other side of the map and the other add-on that lets you see where someone picks up a tape)
and say it's balance cuz it has no chase ability (which she does cuz stealth and interferences help you a lot in chase+ the no collision). her most effective gameplay is boring af just spam teleport and wait for someone to pick a tape go there hit him repeat. so you have no chance against a killer that can play m1 killer.
the tvs are unreliable cuz another teammate coul'dve taken a tape from a certain spot, ops now there's the killer, ops he hit me, gotta find a new tape, ops gotta do gens ops gotta save. it's just the most oppressive killer in the game and people defend her cuz they want easy wins. the fact that on super high level like if you go against team ethernal you will lose but even they you'll make them struggle I tell you

[Elettro46]

my suggestion is make her ability more chase oriented and make the condemn just put you on exposed. cuz being able to mori is too much. I wanna see if all the people that say she is an m1 killer will agree with this change. if this is done you could make her give condemn stacks even faster to balance

[￭ Yuri ￭]

引用自 Elettro46：

my suggestion is make her ability more chase oriented and make the condemn just put you on exposed. cuz being able to mori is too much. I wanna see if all the people that say she is an m1 killer will agree with this change. if this is done you could make her give condemn stacks even faster to balance

I think you're a little late to the "party."

I mean, at the time of her rework this year, the >entire< community was in an uproar because on PTB people were commenting that she had dropped in tiers and suffered a total nerf.

When they released her on the official server, bhvr just made one adjustment to the tapes that made the killer go to the top, since hitting someone with the tape started giving stacks of condemnation, and then even with videos and pointing out how people played around tunneling and zoning out to mori a survivor in 2 minutes, the developer simply ignored all suggestions for change and just like the Skull Merchant rework (which made her more effective around 3-gen), swept the problem under the rug .

You just have to see how they deal with these issues previously in the game.

[Pyous]

引用自 Elettro46：

引用自 Zelph：

No. We just know she isn't that good. She is an M1 killer with no secondary means of hitting people. M1 killers are NOT hard to play around. Her power is threatening, but if survivors simple PLAY AROUND IT, it does nothing. Its like trappers traps. If you play around them, they don't do much at all.

Like, lets go over some of the best killers:

Nurse: ignores loops, and a lot of other things. Can cross the map in seconds.
Blight: Similar to nurse, except still has to loop a little even with his power.
Spirit: Also fast, makes survivors guess where you are at loops.
Plague: Fastest downing potential of every killer, and forces cleansing/insta downs.
Wesker: Mobile, can play around loops, and can slow down survivors with his ability.

Now compare that to onryo: No anti loop. Very minor slow down with her power. If survivors hold tapes, her teleports do NOTHING at all.

Very major difference in power levels there.

good players play trapper with no traps and still win almost every game so this m1 killer argument makes no sense at all. you can't have a killer with the most oppressive power in the game (let's not count if she has the iri tape add-on that makes you go to the other side of the map and the other add-on that lets you see where someone picks up a tape)
and say it's balance cuz it has no chase ability (which she does cuz stealth and interferences help you a lot in chase+ the no collision). her most effective gameplay is boring af just spam teleport and wait for someone to pick a tape go there hit him repeat. so you have no chance against a killer that can play m1 killer.
the tvs are unreliable cuz another teammate coul'dve taken a tape from a certain spot, ops now there's the killer, ops he hit me, gotta find a new tape, ops gotta do gens ops gotta save. it's just the most oppressive killer in the game and people defend her cuz they want easy wins. the fact that on super high level like if you go against team ethernal you will lose but even they you'll make them struggle I tell you

Good players play trapper without traps and can beat bad survs, just like sadako stomps bad survs/survs who dont know the matchup. It doesnt speak anything about her strength really.

She doesn't really have stealth because she has a loud af lullaby in the same way Hunttress does even when she is demanifested. Her demanifestation often is actually detrimental to her chase because again she has no chase power and demani breaks bloodlust, and just like Wraith, she cannot hit while ""stealthed""

Onryo has very specific counterplay. She overall is not super good. There is no way one can say Sadako is "op" when we have legions of killers far better than her. She is certainly not the most oppressive killer in the game lmao.

[Pyous]

引用自 Elettro46：

my suggestion is make her ability more chase oriented and make the condemn just put you on exposed. cuz being able to mori is too much. I wanna see if all the people that say she is an m1 killer will agree with this change. if this is done you could make her give condemn stacks even faster to balance

uh... no? i dont think most people would want a nerf to a character is who a B- tier killer _at best._

If you're gettin mori'd by Oreo you or your team, in most circumstances, have failed in some way.

[Dakota]

her teleport isn't bad unless she is stacking the condemned which builds suuuper fast

last time I played against her I made sure to grab tapes but I got hit which gave me 2 stacks and I was eventually unhooked ...got another 2 stacks while being healed and running over to unhook another player which gave me another stack while I healed them up

grabbed a tape and she popped out of the next tv I went to put the tape into

got moried on what should have been my second hook and I never really had a chance to do anything unless I left someone on hook or didn't heal them

sure its pretty much my fault for doing anything else the moment I had 3+ stacks but it still feels like it adds up super quick

[VRAUdomiro 🇦🇹]

引用自 Oblivion：

I play both roles almost equally, but killer slightly moreso.
That said, I don't own the Onryo, but I play a lot against her as survivor.
Since I don't own her IDK the ins-and-outs of her power, but it just seems OP/Very strong that the killer can teleport across the map, and 99% of the TV's are right next to gens.

Am I wrong/missing something?

Because she isn't