Has Nurse any real counterplay?

[Chiroe]

I just want to read the opinion of survivor mains.

When i play her is kind of i do 4k even if i do a lot of mistakes, and when i play against her you cannot do any realistic counterplay at all. I mean, if you are nearby the main building, you can me able to loop her around the walls but the vast mayority of nurses just drop the chase and go for another one on open field.

What is a realistic counterplay against her? I repeat, i don't rely on opinions of Nurse mains, because they'll be obviously biased.

[Billy Bowl]

It used to be dead hard, now it's just hard dead.

[ダリア]

For me it line of sight if you can break line of sight from nurse it become 50/50 game there are 4 scenario. if you keep running and nurse decide to blink to the corner you should get enough distance for another blink but if nurse decide to predict blink you get hit
If you stay at corner and nurse blink at corner you get hit but if nurse decide to predict blink you shouldnt get hit
My advice is to see what type of nurse player you are facing do they predict blink a lot or they like to do corner blink

[Null Winter]

Mate, if you want to learn how to play against something, then you really should listen to what pros with it have to say; they know their strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else because they're always playing that character/running that equipment/whatever is appropriate for the game in question. Who knows the Nurse better? The person with 1000 hours holding M1 on a gen, or the person with 1000 hours of learning prediction, LOS breaks, exact teleport speed, when BL can kick in or fade-out, exact reach on a lunge under multiple different effects, etc.?

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Nurse's main weakness is LOS; if she can't see you, then she has to rely entirely on prediction and a bad Blink can put her so far out of position in the chase that the second one can't salvage the hit. A common strat to beat scrub Nurses is to run around a corner and then just stop once you hear the Blink being charged; calmly walk back around the corner during the teleport and watch them spin around trying to figure out where you disappeared to.

Don't do the same open field dodge action repeatedly; if you start running left during a Blink charge-up and then dodge back right after the blink, it might work for dodging once. If you always do that as your dodge action, then they'll predict and just Blink right from the beginning, or learn to catch you with the second Blink.

Don't do fixed animations against the Nurse; whacking you coming out of a vault is much easier than Blinking nearby and trying to land that narrow vertical slash while you have full, free 360 degree movement.

Go to the second floor; even pro Nurses sometimes get screwed over by how her Power works when elevated, so they might line up what would be a perfect Blink on a normal map and instead get pulled down through the floor.

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With all that said, a truly perfect Nurse can't be beat since she'll always land right on top for the hit and then Blink twice for the follow-up. She has one of the fastest, most efficient Powers in the game.

[Obscura]

Originally posted by Chiroe:

I just want to read the opinion of survivor mains.

When i play her is kind of i do 4k even if i do a lot of mistakes, and when i play against her you cannot do any realistic counterplay at all. I mean, if you are nearby the main building, you can me able to loop her around the walls but the vast mayority of nurses just drop the chase and go for another one on open field.

What is a realistic counterplay against her? I repeat, i don't rely on opinions of Nurse mains, because they'll be obviously biased.

Run (they nerfed her range addons a while ago) and break line of sight. It is easy to counterplay her. She is strong with aura reading perks, so best as survivor you also use the perk distortion.

[Chiroe]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

Mate, if you want to learn how to play against something, then you really should listen to what pros with it have to say; they know their strengths and weaknesses better than anyone else because they're always playing that character/running that equipment/whatever is appropriate for the game in question. Who knows the Nurse better? The person with 1000 hours holding M1 on a gen, or the person with 1000 hours of learning prediction, LOS breaks, exact teleport speed, when BL can kick in or fade-out, exact reach on a lunge under multiple different effects, etc.?

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Nurse's main weakness is LOS; if she can't see you, then she has to rely entirely on prediction and a bad Blink can put her so far out of position in the chase that the second one can't salvage the hit. A common strat to beat scrub Nurses is to run around a corner and then just stop once you hear the Blink being charged; calmly walk back around the corner during the teleport and watch them spin around trying to figure out where you disappeared to.

Don't do the same open field dodge action repeatedly; if you start running left during a Blink charge-up and then dodge back right after the blink, it might work for dodging once. If you always do that as your dodge action, then they'll predict and just blink right from the beginning, or learn to catch you with the second Blink.

Don't do fixed animations against the Nurse; whacking you coming out of a vault is much easier than Blinking nearby and trying to land that narrow vertical slash while you have full, free 360 degree movement.

Go to the second floor; even pro Nurses sometimes get screwed over by how her Power works when elevated, so they might line up what would be a perfect Blink on a normal map and instead get pulled down through the floor.

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With all that said, a truly perfect Nurse can't be beat since she'll always land right on top for the hit and then Blink twice for the follow-up. She has one of the fastest, most efficient Powers in the game.

You can't break line of sight depending of the map or at what part of the map she finds you. And, if you are in a solid tile, with high walls like the main building, the Nurses are not stupid, they just drop the chase and find another survivor in 5 seconds. They can even wear I'm All Ears and No Where to Hide and you have a horrible and unbalanced killer.

I play Nurse too. And i stopped to play her because i feel like she is completely unfair. And even if you could argue that i'm in low-mid elo and i don't play against the famous bully squads, then a noob-casual Nurse against a Noob-casual survivor is completely unbalanced, and you cannot ignore that turning a blind eye.

I'm sorry, but I don't think you can convince me otherwise given my own experiences with this killer from the perspective of both sides of the match.

And for the DEVS: It doesn't matter if you erase my comments, that doesn't change what i'm going to do.

[Null Winter]

Originally posted by Chiroe:

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Uh, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but okay?

[Chiroe]

Originally posted by Null Winter:

Originally posted by Chiroe:

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Uh, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but okay?

Its all right.

The fault is of the DEVS who don't play their own game.

[Hellzcatz]

Sure. Play Nurse. THis way, someone can´t play her againt you. Problem solved.

[Decurio Cthulhus [ESP]]

Play nurse (just play killer lol, mr/s "survivor main"). Then, when u face a nurse, it can turn like "you dare to use my own spells against me?". Pretty satisfactory

[Fierce1]

I for one love going against Nurse. I don't even run meta perks like Dead Hard, Decisive Strike, or any of the exhaustion perks. For me it's the most fun chase the game offers since I know how to dodge her. Wait until she's charging. A good nurse does it in rapid bursts, but a bad nurse charges for so long that you can easily just turn straight back and run toward the nurse and they can't get you. Even "good" nurse players make that mistake now and then, and if they use short bursts, that's when the environment comes into play. You want them to think they can get you through an obstacle, but instead you trick them to go through while you turn back the opposite where they were going. Then they miss.

[AsianGirlLover]

Nope. Only counterplay is to hope she makes a mistake. You can try hugging a wall tight to prevent her from blinking on you from the other side, but that only works a few times before she figures out what you’re doing.

[Chiroe]

Originally posted by Decurio Cthulhus ESP:

Play nurse (just play killer lol, mr/s "survivor main"). Then, when u face a nurse, it can turn like "you dare to use my own spells against me?". Pretty satisfactory

I do play killer a lot (50/50 aprox). So, i'm not a survivor main. How I said before, I know how to play Nurse, and every game i do 4k (Or 3k because of the hatch, i'm not a rat who slugs everyone to secure the 4k). And that is why i stopped to play her, because i don't think these were fair matches.

As I indicated earlier, even if you could argue that i'm a low-casual elo player, the problem is the same. A low-causal nurse is completely invencible against low-casual survivors, because that has been my experiencie playing as Nurse and against Nurse.

Even when i see a compilation of insane loops in youtube by survivors of 10k hours +, it never is against a Nurse. Always against the other killers, maybe some Blight, but never a Nurse.