Knight ruins the game

[Tafuu]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ knight is just stupid, legit 0 fun playing againstt hat ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, u cant loop him cauze he just summons his ghost on that side, if u just run straight forwad to flee his ghosts he easy catches up, his ghots have nearly 0 colldown, if u avoid one he instant spawn the next.

[TTV/ShadowlessCynic]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/3784751116689517589/

[erandomone]

Try and watch some videos of the knight, or at least read his mechanics.
Posting this just tells us you had a bad game against him, and didn't take the time to learn how he works.

[Squeaky the Zepa]

Any killer can be played in an extremely unfun to play against way if the killer player wants to do so. Some are just way more potent when used exploitatively than others, but ultimately that's the player's decision and not an inherent flaw of the killer itself most of the time. Knight has plenty of very fun and interesting dynamics and possibilities, but sadly a lot of people simply see opportunities for making the game easier and just roll with that instead of investing into his skillset. Same idea applies to Pigs that block Jigsaw Boxes and Wraiths that cloak-camp hooks, as a quick example. It doesn't make those killers less fun, just the people who abuse their abilities in that way. I'm sorry you had bad experiences, but I assure you if you hang in there and try to shrug off the bunk rounds you'll find some genuinely fun and interesting players that can teach you neat new tricks and ways to approach your playstyle now and then.

[Catradora]

Originally posted by The Skwonk:

Any killer can be played in an extremely unfun to play against way if the killer player wants to do so. Some are just way more potent when used exploitatively than others, but ultimately that's the player's decision and not an inherent flaw of the killer itself most of the time. Knight has plenty of very fun and interesting dynamics and possibilities, but sadly a lot of people simply see opportunities for making the game easier and just roll with that instead of investing into his skillset. Same idea applies to Pigs that block Jigsaw Boxes and Wraiths that cloak-camp hooks, as a quick example. It doesn't make those killers less fun, just the people who abuse their abilities in that way. I'm sorry you had bad experiences, but I assure you if you hang in there and try to shrug off the bunk rounds you'll find some genuinely fun and interesting players that can teach you neat new tricks and ways to approach your playstyle now and then.

killer main here and by that i mean 95% of the time. knight is good and mostly pretty well balanced and very easely contered like i go most game with no one getting hit by a guard. just like worry about the knight more then his minoins they are very bad at looping as for pig she is probable th e weakest killer in the game and her things are so easy to not really worry about much so yeah they want there things to work like that how she is meant to be played thats not the killer being bad or unfun abusing them. she has been nerfed into the ground its litterally like the bigest dbd meme. as for wraith camping is just bad with any killer and something that is kind of toxic if they do it right off the bat but if you have one gen left and thats there first hook or the exit gates are power thats not camping its trying to protect the only kill they will get. especially when the match is over in three mins and thats the only chase theyve had. like killers need to kill survivors if they want blood points that were they get almost all of them.

[Squeaky the Zepa]

Originally posted by ok i pull up...:

Originally posted by The Skwonk:

Any killer can be played in an extremely unfun to play against way if the killer player wants to do so. Some are just way more potent when used exploitatively than others, but ultimately that's the player's decision and not an inherent flaw of the killer itself most of the time. Knight has plenty of very fun and interesting dynamics and possibilities, but sadly a lot of people simply see opportunities for making the game easier and just roll with that instead of investing into his skillset. Same idea applies to Pigs that block Jigsaw Boxes and Wraiths that cloak-camp hooks, as a quick example. It doesn't make those killers less fun, just the people who abuse their abilities in that way. I'm sorry you had bad experiences, but I assure you if you hang in there and try to shrug off the bunk rounds you'll find some genuinely fun and interesting players that can teach you neat new tricks and ways to approach your playstyle now and then.

shut up dumbass and stop commenting on every thread

Wow, somebody's had a bad day. Take a breath and chill dude. I'm not getting on anybody's case and I've literally only made like three or four comments while waiting between matches. I've played this game since launch and seen my fair share of killers playing like complete tools with no objective other than win at any cost, and I've had excellent games that were extremely close or even complete wipes where the killer played in a fair, fun, and exciting way. Claiming any one killer is the problem when it's entirely up to the individual player to be unpleasant and a poor sport is a simple fallacy and all I was doing was giving examples and encouragement not to be so dismissive too soon. What exactly do you expect the forums to be used for if not to post and have discussion? Please take a minute to consider your behavior before irrationally getting hostile and aggressive, it's not a good look.

[LunarisRuin]

Originally posted by The Skwonk:

Originally posted by ok i pull up...:

shut up dumbass and stop commenting on every thread

...I've played this game since launch and seen my fair share of killers playing like complete tools with no objective other than win at any cost, and I've had excellent games that were extremely close or even complete wipes where the killer played in a fair, fun, and exciting way. Claiming any one killer is the problem when it's entirely up to the individual player to be unpleasant and a poor sport...

While I agree with most of your post I disagree with this in particular. I see this thrown around a lot how people are "unsportsmanlike" and how they "ruin" the game because they don't play "fair"

I always say this but I will continue doing so until the day I am dead. This is the only game where the community consistently, without fail, brings up the killer having to play a certain way to ensure everybody has fun and is a "good sport." I don't get it, not at all.

Killer is there to kill you. Not make sure you have happy rainbow fun time. It's not the killers job to babysit survivors, nor is it survivors to play in a way that's quote, unquote "fair" to the killer. Could you imagine communities being like this in other PvP games? CoD? League? DoTA? Smash? "You should play "fair" because if not then I'm not having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!" The whole point of PvP is to duke it out.. not spend time in caring what the other person is doing. Outside of hacking or exploiting bugs, obviously. but if it's within the rules and is a legal thing to do in game.. then it's all fair at the end of the day, regardless of what people say, think or feel.

[Gh0st.exe]

Originally posted by LunarisRuin:

Originally posted by The Skwonk:

...I've played this game since launch and seen my fair share of killers playing like complete tools with no objective other than win at any cost, and I've had excellent games that were extremely close or even complete wipes where the killer played in a fair, fun, and exciting way. Claiming any one killer is the problem when it's entirely up to the individual player to be unpleasant and a poor sport...

While I agree with most of your post I disagree with this in particular. I see this thrown around a lot how people are "unsportsmanlike" and how they "ruin" the game because they don't play "fair"

I always say this but I will continue doing so until the day I am dead. This is the only game where the community consistently, without fail, brings up the killer having to play a certain way to ensure everybody has fun and is a "good sport." I don't get it, not at all.

Killer is there to kill you. Not make sure you have happy rainbow fun time. It's not the killers job to babysit survivors, nor is it survivors to play in a way that's quote, unquote "fair" to the killer. Could you imagine communities being like this in other PvP games? CoD? League? DoTA? Smash? "You should play "fair" because if not then I'm not having fun!!!!!!!!!!!!" The whole point of PvP is to duke it out.. not spend time in caring what the other person is doing. Outside of hacking or exploiting bugs, obviously. but if it's within the rules and is a legal thing to do in game.. then it's all fair at the end of the day, regardless of what people say, think or feel.

Sadly its not really a new behaviour. Back in the early days in WoW people regulary stated how hunters shouldnt use their pet / classes with access to healing spells shouldnt use them in PVP duells. And in LoL about every 3rd game there is at least one player that complain about f.e. situations in which they are outnumbered, aka teamplay in a teamgame.
People just cant accept losing at something because they see themself as "tah numba one playa". And while the number of those players was rather low in the past it seems to grow each passing year.

[Mason]

Hold W.

[60mph gorilla]

Originally posted by Tafuu:

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ knight is just stupid, legit 0 fun playing againstt hat ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, u cant loop him cauze he just summons his ghost on that side, if u just run straight forwad to flee his ghosts he easy catches up, his ghots have nearly 0 colldown, if u avoid one he instant spawn the next.

I pretty much main knight now and I can say you need to change up how you play because he is not that good against good survivors.

1. He drops his summon you shift W. Save the pallet for someone else.
2. You say his ghosts catch up? The guards should never ever catch up. sounds like you just screwed up
3. His ghosts have horrendous cooldown if they don't spot someone. And again if you shift W they won't spot anyone.
4. There is no insta spawning.

[Sobieski]

If he leaves you alone for a minute, you can always circle back for the ghosts flag they drop for a good sprint burst.

Normally whenever I am being chased and the knight starts summoning his ghosts just go the opposite direction he thinks you are going. You end up not alerting his guard and maybe even getting a good distance on him.

[looking for gurl]

I have fun tho agaist him

[Virtus-H]

Knight is a tunnel/camp killer, 100%.
Best counter is to always run into him rather than the guard, as the knight hitting you will despawn any guards chasing you.

[Squeaky the Zepa]

Nah, you misunderstand me. When I refer to 'unfair' or 'unsportsmanly' gameplay I'm not saying "You can't use Dead Hard, that's unfair" or "You can't use Decisive Strike, that's unfair". I'm referring to people playing in a manner that is deliberately compromising the game of another player, such as tunneling a single player out before hooking anybody else, or camping hooks at 5 gens, or playing in such a way as to unbalance the game intentionally. These actions serve no purpose other than to ruin the game for a specific player and in many cases are even counterproductive to a team wipe, and yet people do it anyway just out of hostility or grudges from having it done to them.

In many properly regulated competitions, this kind of behavior would have you disqualified due to fostering a poor competitive environment. It's not a case of "I lost therefore it's unfair", as I agree with you that that's childishness pure and simple. I'm referring to the legitimately distasteful behavior that, while perfectly legal yes, is often done primarily as a means of getting a rise out of individuals or being petty, or out of a stubborn and single-minded pursuit of victory at the expense of other people. Ideally, a game should be fun for everyone partaking in it. While that is indeed an ideal and not necessarily likely in most scenarios, there is still very little justification in making an active effort to COMPROMISE somebody else's experience in what should be a recreational activity. It is neither the Killer nor the Survivors' responsibility to be fair, but it improves the game experience for all parties. I only think killers get the most flak for behaving in a disruptive manner because ultimately a Killer has the ability to end a Survivor's game within minutes if luck isn't on their side, which even the best Survivor simply isn't capable of doing without blatantly cheating. However, both sides are absolutely capable of bad manner plays and acting in poor taste.

Even then, I'm not expecting anybody to suddenly drop their own perspective and personal enjoyment in the pursuit of a "fair" game, as just like anything else my opinion here is subjective. The only point in this particular topic that I'm trying to make is that it is up to an individual as to how they play and whether or not they try to use every trick in the book, dirty or otherwise, to achieve their objective or whether they show restraint to give everyone a fair chance and not intrinsically a problem with the characters' designs themselves. I 4K with I'd say at leeeeeeeast a 60% rate on average? Probably less because I tend to give the last survivor the hatch if they've either played very well or if it was a complete steamroll, but I also try to spread out hooks to keep people in the game as long as possible and keep track of who has how many hooks left so nobody gets taken out too early. Again, this isn't something I'm saying should be standardized and everyone should do at all, but I'm giving it as an example of being considerate so as not to prematurely end someone else's experience. As a Survivor, I refuse to engage in hostile or mocking behavior as well and try to be encouraging post-game and offer suggestions if the killer player appeared to be struggling, and most of the time when I get a response the kindness is appreciated!

This is not something exclusive to killers either, as I've seen and been in rounds where Survivors exploit problematic situations like Boil Over in the old RPD library, and back when Saboteur was able to completely erase hooks from play until the basement was the only option. It's a matter of mutual respect, and I just can't support the idea of using playstyles that target and ruin a specific player's experience with little they can do about it if it succeeds. I mean folks come home from work and want to relax and just hang out and play, and you don't know what they might be dealing with and trying to enjoy some escapism from. It just doesn't sit right with me. I feel like sharing that philosophy is worth doing, but I neither expect you to accept it as your own nor fault you for not doing so. I just feel like it's worth sharing in hopes of improving general empathy with your fellow players and hopefully making things less frustrating by encouraging consideration.

tl;dr version: I'm referring to deliberate attempts to compromise the state of gameplay when I say "unfair" or "unsportsmanly", and not suggesting that killers should hand out gens like candy and open gates with a nice pat on the head. By all means, yes, try to kill everyone, but you don't need to be rude or disrespectful in the process to your fellow players. Everyone deserves to have a good run of it!

[Catradora]

Originally posted by DiaperButt™:

Knight is a tunnel/camp killer, 100%.
Best counter is to always run into him rather than the guard, as the knight hitting you will despawn any guards chasing you.

what does that mean like any killer can do those he not even better at it. his guards despawn if you unhook someone making him bad for camps and like i don't understand how he'd be better at tunneling if he put his guard on the hook as someone was unhook there is a 50/50 chance it will even go after the one that was unhooked.

[LunarisRuin]

Originally posted by The Skwonk:

Nah, you misunderstand me. When I refer to 'unfair' or 'unsportsmanly' gameplay I'm not saying "You can't use Dead Hard, that's unfair" or "You can't use Decisive Strike, that's unfair". I'm referring to people playing in a manner that is deliberately compromising the game of another player, such as tunneling a single player out before hooking anybody else, or camping hooks at 5 gens, or playing in such a way as to unbalance the game intentionally. These actions serve no purpose other than to ruin the game for a specific player and in many cases are even counterproductive to a team wipe, and yet people do it anyway just out of hostility or grudges from having it done to them.

In many properly regulated competitions, this kind of behavior would have you disqualified due to fostering a poor competitive environment. It's not a case of "I lost therefore it's unfair", as I agree with you that that's childishness pure and simple. I'm referring to the legitimately distasteful behavior that, while perfectly legal yes, is often done primarily as a means of getting a rise out of individuals or being petty, or out of a stubborn and single-minded pursuit of victory at the expense of other people. Ideally, a game should be fun for everyone partaking in it. While that is indeed an ideal and not necessarily likely in most scenarios, there is still very little justification in making an active effort to COMPROMISE somebody else's experience in what should be a recreational activity. It is neither the Killer nor the Survivors' responsibility to be fair, but it improves the game experience for all parties. I only think killers get the most flak for behaving in a disruptive manner because ultimately a Killer has the ability to end a Survivor's game within minutes if luck isn't on their side, which even the best Survivor simply isn't capable of doing without blatantly cheating. However, both sides are absolutely capable of bad manner plays and acting in poor taste.

Even then, I'm not expecting anybody to suddenly drop their own perspective and personal enjoyment in the pursuit of a "fair" game, as just like anything else my opinion here is subjective. The only point in this particular topic that I'm trying to make is that it is up to an individual as to how they play and whether or not they try to use every trick in the book, dirty or otherwise, to achieve their objective or whether they show restraint to give everyone a fair chance and not intrinsically a problem with the characters' designs themselves. I 4K with I'd say at leeeeeeeast a 60% rate on average? Probably less because I tend to give the last survivor the hatch if they've either played very well or if it was a complete steamroll, but I also try to spread out hooks to keep people in the game as long as possible and keep track of who has how many hooks left so nobody gets taken out too early. Again, this isn't something I'm saying should be standardized and everyone should do at all, but I'm giving it as an example of being considerate so as not to prematurely end someone else's experience. As a Survivor, I refuse to engage in hostile or mocking behavior as well and try to be encouraging post-game and offer suggestions if the killer player appeared to be struggling, and most of the time when I get a response the kindness is appreciated!

This is not something exclusive to killers either, as I've seen and been in rounds where Survivors exploit problematic situations like Boil Over in the old RPD library, and back when Saboteur was able to completely erase hooks from play until the basement was the only option. It's a matter of mutual respect, and I just can't support the idea of using playstyles that target and ruin a specific player's experience with little they can do about it if it succeeds. I mean folks come home from work and want to relax and just hang out and play, and you don't know what they might be dealing with and trying to enjoy some escapism from. It just doesn't sit right with me. I feel like sharing that philosophy is worth doing, but I neither expect you to accept it as your own nor fault you for not doing so. I just feel like it's worth sharing in hopes of improving general empathy with your fellow players and hopefully making things less frustrating by encouraging consideration.

tl;dr version: I'm referring to deliberate attempts to compromise the state of gameplay when I say "unfair" or "unsportsmanly", and not suggesting that killers should hand out gens like candy and open gates with a nice pat on the head. By all means, yes, try to kill everyone, but you don't need to be rude or disrespectful in the process to your fellow players. Everyone deserves to have a good run of it!

+1

I see. Well it's nice to have players like you.

I don't tunnel or camp, and sometimes I'll let the last survivor go. Particularly if they offer their item to me. And for anniversary, like the 5th and 6th events I usually try to farm with everyone, so we all get tons and tons of BP and we would all get a crown.

I understand people coming home to relax and enjoy some form of escapism from the harsh reality that is life. But I don't a PvP game is where to enjoy some relaxation tbh

But to each their own!