The killers can't be buffed or Nurse/Blight would be too powerful - they're both holding back balancing.

[Japanese Schoolgirl]

As much I as I enjoy playing both, they factor into every update and override most ideas in all probability.

[JoKeRsMiLe]

Originally posted by Gindaen:

Originally posted by LimeyPolo:

As much I as I enjoy playing both, they factor into every update and override most ideas in all probability.

Don't forget Wesker. He's in line with Blight and Nurse.

I don't play wesker but from what i see he is very well balanced i would have to play him but he looks like he is a little weaker than spirit but not by much

[Tibcsikid]

Originally posted by JoKeRsMiLe:

Originally posted by Gindaen:

Don't forget Wesker. He's in line with Blight and Nurse.

I don't play wesker but from what i see he is very well balanced i would have to play him but he looks like he is a little weaker than spirit but not by much

Personally Wesker is far more easier to play around than blight or nurse. He's a high tier killer but not in the same tier as Nurse/Blight.

[NarkoTri1er]

forgot to give opinion on OP's statement. Same situation could be said for survivors, they can't be buffed our SWFs could be too powerful. But here we are, we got a lot of buffs that are supposed to improve soloQ experience, but are instead basically only further empowering SWFs, while soloQ is still the hellhole because of many survivor players trolling.

[Munqaxus]

Originally posted by Mizurazu:

Originally posted by Gindaen:

Nurse requires an activation time and is as predictable as Weskers. Plus you forgot to mention that Weskers power is easier to learn and use than Nurses and doesn't have a horrible cooldown and "blindess" effect on missed blinks. Weskers way more accessible to new players, so more players will learn him without giving up on him. Yes, Nurse can go through walls and has verticality. However, I didn't say Wesker was better than Nurse, I said he's on par with Blight.

Also, Wesker has one of the highest kill-rates, based on developer stats released 7 months ago and the nightlight.gg stats that currently show him as having one of the top 5 highest kill rates.

Also, on nightlight.gg, Wesker has a better kill-rate than Blight.

You keep repeating yourself.
So what? Blight gets more 4ks according to that so it still wins more matches than Wesker. But I see you only consider the data that would further your argument. You also gotta consider that a lot of people just like playing as Wesker and him being a decent killer on top naturally would result in high numbers. That doesn't mean he's OP.

I already said this was my own personal opinion and that it was based on data from the Devs and nightlight.gg.

I'm not sure why you responded so aggressively, as if I personally attacked you.

[skynd-sg]

In High-MMR, even Trapper has a positive killrate. Idk who is screaming for more buffs: you want to win 99 out of 100 games perkless within the first 5 hours of total gameplay?

[Tibcsikid]

Originally posted by skynd-sg:

In High-MMR, even Trapper has a positive killrate. Idk who is screaming for more buffs: you want to win 99 out of 100 games perkless within the first 5 hours of total gameplay?

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about high mmr. If you want to balance something it should be that can be done at all skill levels. Just bcs ppl with 10k hours play well a certain killer, doesnt mean its balanced.

[skynd-sg]

Originally posted by Tibcsikid:

Originally posted by skynd-sg:

In High-MMR, even Trapper has a positive killrate. Idk who is screaming for more buffs: you want to win 99 out of 100 games perkless within the first 5 hours of total gameplay?

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about high mmr. If you want to balance something it should be that can be done at all skill levels. Just bcs ppl with 10k hours play well a certain killer, doesnt mean its balanced.

You really support the idea because a beginner nurse-player will definitely struggle to play nurse that the killer "the nurse" as such needs to be buffed?

Listen, I don't see DbD as a competitive game. But if I play Trapper and I don't get a positive killrate on average then I am not blaming the game: I am questioning my playstyle or skills.

[Munqaxus]

Originally posted by Tibcsikid:

Originally posted by skynd-sg:

In High-MMR, even Trapper has a positive killrate. Idk who is screaming for more buffs: you want to win 99 out of 100 games perkless within the first 5 hours of total gameplay?

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about high mmr. If you want to balance something it should be that can be done at all skill levels. Just bcs ppl with 10k hours play well a certain killer, doesnt mean its balanced.

I believe the best way to balance the game would be to balance at least for 3 different levels of play. Low - Mid - High.

However, I guess it doesn't really matter with MMR being absolute trash. MMR was much better pre-Apr 20th, 2022 changes.

[Tibcsikid]

Originally posted by skynd-sg:

Originally posted by Tibcsikid:

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about high mmr. If you want to balance something it should be that can be done at all skill levels. Just bcs ppl with 10k hours play well a certain killer, doesnt mean its balanced.

You really support the idea because a beginner nurse-player will definitely struggle to play nurse that the killer "the nurse" as such needs to be buffed?

Listen, I don't see DbD as a competitive game. But if I play Trapper and I don't get a positive killrate on average then I am not blaming the game: I am questioning my playstyle or skills.

Im not calling for nurse buffs but rather just general balancing for each killer. And for the argument that "in high mmr this ♥♥♥♥ is a really strong ♥♥♥♥" while in literally everywhere else it cant get a single kill or smt.

Examples:
-Hillbilly: Ppl who mained him for years are godlike, literally everyone else is the easiest escape you'll ever have
-Clown: Same situation
-Myers: high mmr ppl will have tier 3 the second the game starts, others i've seen some get a single tier 3 after 2-3 gens popped
-Trickster: high never misses a single knife, others cant hit ♥♥♥♥ and looses far too much distance
-Etc.

Honestly balancing games just bcs the "high tiers" are doing well against other high tiers doesnt mean that character need to be buffed/nerfed. Balancing should be done by considering EVERY skill range. I mean back when dbd tried to push e-sporting itself lead to the gutting of hillbilly and it has been what? 2 years now that he is literally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[skynd-sg]

Originally posted by Tibcsikid:

-Hillbilly: Ppl who mained him for years are godlike, literally everyone else is the easiest escape you'll ever have
-Clown: Same situation
-Myers: high mmr ppl will have tier 3 the second the game starts, others i've seen some get a single tier 3 after 2-3 gens popped
-Trickster: high never misses a single knife, others cant hit ♥♥♥♥ and looses far too much distance
-Etc.

Honestly balancing games just bcs the "high tiers" are doing well against other high tiers doesnt mean that character need to be buffed/nerfed. Balancing should be done by considering EVERY skill range. I mean back when dbd tried to push e-sporting itself lead to the gutting of hillbilly and it has been what? 2 years now that he is literally ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

I mean, we can agree to disagree. When a high tier player gets tripple digit winstreaks and suggests some nerfs and for you it "doesnt mean that character need to be buffed/nerfed". I highly disagree on that. And I can clearly discard the opinion of a Blight-Main, who starts to play "Trapper" and has a miserable time in his/her first games. Why? They are representing a complete different playstyle and this player has no idea what he's talking about. There a plenty of other players who prove the opposite.

I mean: It is possible to balance around low-tier players. But then you will get a washed-up future of game-skill and tactics (just compare the threads about 3 genning and extending the game with hit and run comparing to the threads of 2 years). Some ppl like that idea; I personally don't. But the playerbase changes over time; I am not yelling "2 years ago; everything was better". I am fine with it. But the huge amount of players screaming for killer buffs or balancing is just baffling to me. 2 years ago there were plenty of players getting respectable winstreaks perkless- and addon-less. And after the huge summer buff of last year: I am sorry, I definitely feel more of a skill-issue rather than a balance issue when I am reading those threads. For both sides.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Tibcsikid:

Originally posted by skynd-sg:

In High-MMR, even Trapper has a positive killrate. Idk who is screaming for more buffs: you want to win 99 out of 100 games perkless within the first 5 hours of total gameplay?

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about high mmr. If you want to balance something it should be that can be done at all skill levels. Just bcs ppl with 10k hours play well a certain killer, doesnt mean its balanced.

I disagree. It should be balanced around high mmr as if both sides, at max potential, are not balanced, then one side would more often come out on top. Why would you make it so someone just beginning and have little to no skill has a decent chance against someone with a lot of practice AND skill?

[NarkoTri1er]

Originally posted by Tibcsikid:

Originally posted by skynd-sg:

In High-MMR, even Trapper has a positive killrate. Idk who is screaming for more buffs: you want to win 99 out of 100 games perkless within the first 5 hours of total gameplay?

No one gives a ♥♥♥♥ about high mmr. If you want to balance something it should be that can be done at all skill levels. Just bcs ppl with 10k hours play well a certain killer, doesnt mean its balanced.

biggest problem in every game that has meta things is that some tactics are overwhelmingly good in high MMR, but very bad in rest of MMR, while some of them are great in rest of MMR, but bad in high MMR.
DbD is very similar in that way, but the fact that it's an assymetrical game adds a lot more salt to the wound, and thus it is much harder to balance than symetrical games.