Being a High-Rank Killer isnt fun

[Xenophontes]

As someone who has both a high ranking survivor and a high ranking killer the game has become comepletely frustrating as a killer to play. I use to get so many 3-4 kills up until i hit rank 2 as a killer but now i get literally nothing but people who are just like my survivor (complete and total cookie cutter build of sprint burst, sabotoge, self care and preminition or spine chill) and the game has become a miserable experience as a killer.

My games usually go something along the lines like this. I find survivor, he either pallet spams me if this is autohaven or finds whatever infinite jukes are left (yes there are still some that exist..) and in that time their team pops 2 gens. I down this guy and on my way to transport him bam they pop another gen.

Now the big question. What do i decide to do that game? do i camp the guy in frustration? they pop both gens and leave and i depip. Do i not camp the guy and try to look for them? they get one gen and free the guy heal him up and i never find them again and they pop the last gen later and leave the game as a team and i still depip. Lets say i catch one at the last gen before they pop it, then they just have broken every nearby hook at this point where since i dont have iron grasp at all (game hates me) i either drop him or i get lucky basement is close by and in that time they finish generator and leave.

This has also happened before when the survivors become super greedy and try to save their one guy on a hook when exit gates are open and i manage to catch all 4 and hook em together, but there was no fun in that at all. They just got greedy and threw their lives in to try to get more points and i just happen to not suck and catch all of them.

As someone who has played both sides of the spectrum and have high rank on both sides I can say the fundamental problem with killer is that it was easy to pip up at higher ranks than it was when i was a survivor. I really didnt ramp up in survivor ranks until i got sabotoge 3, sprint burst 3, self care 3, and preminiton 3 and by then I basically had my god form jake park who can literally ruin a killers life by himself. I even feel awful when i play survivor while smashing hooks or just getting away and healing myself by saying things like "man this ♥♥♥♥ happens to me i can feel that killers pain".

My overall point of this is that I feel the games matchmaking is skewed in favor of survivors so i high ranked killer =/= same skill level as a high ranked survivor. Maybe they need to make survivor pipping easier so they are in line with killer or make killer pipping harder so they are in line with survivor but something has to change because right now high rank killer is just plain not fun and when deranking on purpose is looking like a tasty idea then you know we have a problem because i really dont wanna have to do that.

My killer perks currently are deerstalker 3, shadowborne 2, spies from the shadow 2 and predator 3 in case anyone was curious. Those were the best i had out of the mountain of crap perks this game decided to give me.

[David]

Escrito originalmente por Thiil:

Escrito originalmente por David:

You 100% never contribute to any conversation that I've ever seen you in.

I do not care for your opinion. Stay on topic.
You might not agree, but it's my opinion on the OP.

Well then don't post on the discussion board if you're just gonna create a League of Legends level community of toxicity. There's no need.

[Momma_Jibi]

Escrito originalmente por David:

Escrito originalmente por JB1110:

I understand that's part of it. But I have managed to get a rather high rank as survivor (like 10) but then I get stuck in groups of people who are new and don't know what they are doing then I get get deranked because of them. Either the game is over too fast, or what-have-you and then I go from 12 - 20 in just a few games. It's incredibly easy to maintain rank as a killer, but ridiculously hard as a survivor.

I play with my friends who suck all the time. I have two British friends and one friend from work that I play with, all rank 20, and I escape basically every game I play with at least one of them. It isn't hard at all.

Escaping isn't the key here that we're discussing, though. It's points and rank. You can escape rather quickly, but if it's too fast, and even when you escape but only manage to get 2 gens and get a don't heal or get chased, you won't rank up. The thing they added to not lose a pip is even broken so you're still losing rank when you don't hit at least 10k points.

[Beams]

Escrito originalmente por Thiil:

looks like a case of "git gud"

This is the problem though Thiil, as a survivor you need to git gud to hit R15/R10/R5/R1, as a killer you just fall into R1 and then you need to git gud and that process happens in a blink rather than improving over time as you do with Survivor. There is no slow learning curve for Killer and it results in incredibly frustating games, I have been trying a lot in the last day to improve as a R1 killer and every game is an uphill struggle to just be told how trash I am after each match :v

[PartyMaster]

Escrito originalmente por ✪☭ Xenophontes ☭✪:

As someone who has both a high ranking survivor and a high ranking killer the game has become comepletely frustrating as a killer to play. I use to get so many 3-4 kills up until i hit rank 2 as a killer but now i get literally nothing but people who are just like my survivor (complete and total cookie cutter build of sprint burst, sabotoge, self care and preminition or spine chill) and the game has become a miserable experience as a killer.

My games usually go something along the lines like this. I find survivor, he either pallet spams me if this is autohaven or finds whatever infinite jukes are left (yes there are still some that exist..) and in that time their team pops 2 gens. I down this guy and on my way to transport him bam they pop another gen.

Now the big question. What do i decide to do that game? do i camp the guy in frustration? they pop both gens and leave and i depip. Do i not camp the guy and try to look for them? they get one gen and free the guy heal him up and i never find them again and they pop the last gen later and leave the game as a team and i still depip. Lets say i catch one at the last gen before they pop it, then they just have broken every nearby hook at this point where since i dont have iron grasp at all (game hates me) i either drop him or i get lucky basement is close by and in that time they finish generator and leave.

This has also happened before when the survivors become super greedy and try to save their one guy on a hook when exit gates are open and i manage to catch all 4 and hook em together, but there was no fun in that at all. They just got greedy and threw their lives in to try to get more points and i just happen to not suck and catch all of them.

As someone who has played both sides of the spectrum and have high rank on both sides I can say the fundamental problem with killer is that it was easy to pip up at higher ranks than it was when i was a survivor. I really didnt ramp up in survivor ranks until i got sabotoge 3, sprint burst 3, self care 3, and preminiton 3 and by then I basically had my god form jake park who can literally ruin a killers life by himself. I even feel awful when i play survivor while smashing hooks or just getting away and healing myself by saying things like "man this ♥♥♥♥ happens to me i can feel that killers pain".

My overall point of this is that I feel the games matchmaking is skewed in favor of survivors so i high ranked killer =/= same skill level as a high ranked survivor. Maybe they need to make survivor pipping easier so they are in line with killer or make killer pipping harder so they are in line with survivor but something has to change because right now high rank killer is just plain not fun and when deranking on purpose is looking like a tasty idea then you know we have a problem because i really dont wanna have to do that.

My killer perks currently are deerstalker 3, shadowborne 2, spies from the shadow 2 and predator 3 in case anyone was curious. Those were the best i had out of the mountain of crap perks this game decided to give me.

This is literally the only reason why I play nurse now. If I don't they will find some window juking bs or pallet spam the hell out of me all while the generators are lighting up like christmas tree's. It gets extremely aggrivating.

[David]

Escrito originalmente por JB1110:

Escrito originalmente por David:

I play with my friends who suck all the time. I have two British friends and one friend from work that I play with, all rank 20, and I escape basically every game I play with at least one of them. It isn't hard at all.

Escaping isn't the key here that we're discussing, though. It's points and rank. You can escape rather quickly, but if it's too fast, and even when you escape but only manage to get 2 gens and get a don't heal or get chased, you won't rank up. The thing they added to not lose a pip is even broken so you're still losing rank when you don't hit at least 10k points.

Um... two gens + hatch escape = 10k points easy. That is guaranteed max survival and objective because 1250 points for gen + skillchecks and 2500 objectivve + 5k survival for hatch escape. It is a pip. Also, I usually end up saving their butts multiple times and they die anyway because they're not that good.

[Xenophontes]

Escrito originalmente por Dizzy:

Escrito originalmente por Thiil:

looks like a case of "git gud"

This is the problem though Thiil, as a survivor you need to git gud to hit R15/R10/R5/R1, as a killer you just fall into R1 and then you need to git gud and that process happens in a blink rather than improving over time as you do with Survivor. There is no slow learning curve for Killer and it results in incredibly frustating games, I have been trying a lot in the last day to improve as a R1 killer and every game is an uphill struggle to just be told how trash I am after each match :v

I cant count how many times ive gotten to rank 17 or 16 and i was like am i gonna make the push for rank one? than i just fall flat on my ass and go back to rank 20. When i finally completed my super jake park build along with playing smarter in general i finally got to be a high rank survivor and you learn to be good. That is a luxuary i dont get on my killer and now im high ranked with no effort and having literally zero fun in the game.

[Sovekz]

Reading all your replies, seems like you're one of those killlers who like it easy mode, as soon as you started facing more skilled players you stopped killing all 4 survivors every game. I seriously can't understand killers, they immediately qq on the forums when they can't kill all 4 every game. This patch killers are miles stronger than survivors with all the nerfs they got, also concerning premades, it's always gonna be hard against them as they have voice comms and can coordinate but that isn't because of the game, every game is like this when facing premades.

[Momma_Jibi]

Escrito originalmente por David:

Escrito originalmente por JB1110:

Escaping isn't the key here that we're discussing, though. It's points and rank. You can escape rather quickly, but if it's too fast, and even when you escape but only manage to get 2 gens and get a don't heal or get chased, you won't rank up. The thing they added to not lose a pip is even broken so you're still losing rank when you don't hit at least 10k points.

Um... two gens + hatch escape = 10k points easy. That is guaranteed max survival and objective because 1250 points for gen + skillchecks and 2500 objectivve + 5k survival for hatch escape. It is a pip. Also, I usually end up saving their butts multiple times and they die anyway because they're not that good.

A hatch escape. Which requires waiting around until everyone else is dead or gone. That part's not that hard. But what about with a stupid team who gets caught all the time and you're trying to get Alt points? What if it's against a killer with wall perks and Deerstalker?

I'd be curious to know what perks you have? Is it all the teachables like the OP said he's up against in every match? What if you don't have all the teachables yet? Then what?

[Xenophontes]

Escrito originalmente por Sovekz:

Reading all your replies, seems like you're one of those killlers who like it easy mode, as soon as you started facing more skilled players you stopped killing all 4 survivors every game. I seriously can't understand killers, they immediately qq on the forums when they can't kill all 4 every game. This patch killers are miles stronger than survivors with all the nerfs they got, also concerning premades, it's always gonna be hard against them as they have voice comms and can coordinate but that isn't because of the game, every game is like this when facing premades.

I dont expect to kill all 4 every game since you clearly DIDNT read my original post but i am getting ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tired of being in a game where all 4 escape because ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ perks and just higher skill cap in general when i didnt ask to be a high rank killer yet.

[David]

Escrito originalmente por Sovekz:

Reading all your replies, seems like you're one of those killlers who like it easy mode, as soon as you started facing more skilled players you stopped killing all 4 survivors every game. I seriously can't understand killers, they immediately qq on the forums when they can't kill all 4 every game. This patch killers are miles stronger than survivors with all the nerfs they got, also concerning premades, it's always gonna be hard against them as they have voice comms and can coordinate but that isn't because of the game, every game is like this when facing premades.

He's complaining that he got to a high rank without much effort, therefore not gaining as much bloodpoints as it would take to get to a high rank on survivor, so their killer wasn't even level 30 by the time they started only playing with rank 1's. He's not complaining that it's too hard, he's saying that killer is too easy because now he can't compete with his trash perks because it wasn't a grind for him to rank up.

[Beams]

Escrito originalmente por Sovekz:

Reading all your replies, seems like you're one of those killlers who like it easy mode, as soon as you started facing more skilled players you stopped killing all 4 survivors every game. I seriously can't understand killers, they immediately qq on the forums when they can't kill all 4 every game. This patch killers are miles stronger than survivors with all the nerfs they got, also concerning premades, it's always gonna be hard against them as they have voice comms and can coordinate but that isn't because of the game, every game is like this when facing premades.

If thats what you take from this then I'm surprised you can read in the 1st place. The problem is the game on Killers side does not prepare you for the meta at all, there is no process of getting better before you are faced with R1's so people who are not good enough to do so are paired with them before they are ready, the oppisite is true for Survivor.

[Xenophontes]

Escrito originalmente por David:

Escrito originalmente por Sovekz:

Reading all your replies, seems like you're one of those killlers who like it easy mode, as soon as you started facing more skilled players you stopped killing all 4 survivors every game. I seriously can't understand killers, they immediately qq on the forums when they can't kill all 4 every game. This patch killers are miles stronger than survivors with all the nerfs they got, also concerning premades, it's always gonna be hard against them as they have voice comms and can coordinate but that isn't because of the game, every game is like this when facing premades.

He's complaining that he got to a high rank without much effort, therefore not gaining as much bloodpoints as it would take to get to a high rank on survivor, so their killer wasn't even level 30 by the time they started only playing with rank 1's. He's not complaining that it's too hard, he's saying that killer is too easy because now he can't compete with his trash perks because it wasn't a grind for him to rank up.

^THIS 100%. By the time i got to super high rank survivor i had sprint burst 3, sabo 3, self care 3, and preminition 2 (later got prem 3 aswell). This was my whole point. Killers need more difficulty in getting higher rank or survivors need it easier. One way or another the skill celiing for both sides is completely different

[David]

Escrito originalmente por JB1110:

Escrito originalmente por David:

Um... two gens + hatch escape = 10k points easy. That is guaranteed max survival and objective because 1250 points for gen + skillchecks and 2500 objectivve + 5k survival for hatch escape. It is a pip. Also, I usually end up saving their butts multiple times and they die anyway because they're not that good.

A hatch escape. Which requires waiting around until everyone else is dead or gone. That part's not that hard. But what about with a stupid team who gets caught all the time and you're trying to get Alt points? What if it's against a killer with wall perks and Deerstalker?

I'd be curious to know what perks you have? Is it all the teachables like the OP said he's up against in every match? What if you don't have all the teachables yet? Then what?

My usual build is Self-Care 3, Empathy 1, Botany Knowledge 3, No One Left Behind 3. The NOLB3 gets me 3k points on an unhook after exit gates are powered, those 3k all count toward a pip unlike offerings, stupid strong perk. Also, if they keep getting caught I'm probably getting tons of unhooks, as long as th ekiller isn't 100% camping I usually get it. I don't understand what wall perks is... sorry. Btw, I said in a recent post on here that my only high level survivors are Dwight and Claudette and yes, I've ran Leader multiple times. I'm leveling up Jake because I want Iron Will because it fits my playstyle, literally never taking Saboteur because it's a waste of a perk.

[Momma_Jibi]

Escrito originalmente por Dizzy:

Escrito originalmente por Sovekz:

Reading all your replies, seems like you're one of those killlers who like it easy mode, as soon as you started facing more skilled players you stopped killing all 4 survivors every game. I seriously can't understand killers, they immediately qq on the forums when they can't kill all 4 every game. This patch killers are miles stronger than survivors with all the nerfs they got, also concerning premades, it's always gonna be hard against them as they have voice comms and can coordinate but that isn't because of the game, every game is like this when facing premades.

If thats what you take from this then I'm surprised you can read in the 1st place. The problem is the game on Killers side does not prepare you for the meta at all, there is no process of getting better before you are faced with R1's so people who are not good enough to do so are paired with them before they are ready, the oppisite is true for Survivor.

Exactly. I'm only R15 killer and already am running into this. It's why I switch and do survivor now. If I need fast points, I go on my killer and level up my survivor with the points. Then I try to play as survivor and get f***ed, by killer or other survivors, doesn't matter. I play survivor for a challenge. I play killer for fast points. It shouldn't be that way.

[Thiil]

Escrito originalmente por David:

Escrito originalmente por Thiil:

I do not care for your opinion. Stay on topic.
You might not agree, but it's my opinion on the OP.

Well then don't post on the discussion board if you're just gonna create a League of Legends level community of toxicity. There's no need.

I posted my opinion. OP got rekt because he lacks the skills to not to in the examples described. Don't start flaming someone, just because they don't agree with you