The state of cheaters

[Invictus Titan Rex]

Hello - a few weeks back there was this big cheater outcry - that so many streamers and normal players got hold hostage by cheaters or 102% MS survivors, has it been better lately or is it not worth comming back?

[Mooselager]

Unfortunately with the greater influx of players due to epicstore, There IS a cheater problem as there is no counterforce to stop them. Some are caught, most slink through by only using slightly hard-to-notice cheats. The key problem is that it is near impossible to tell if someone is cheating unless they choose to make it obvious.

Remember, according to a moderator here, it is the PLAYER'S responsibility & is it mandatory to report cheaters/hackers & bring forth the evidence required. The CUSTOMER must fix the problem! Not the employee's.

So yeah, with that sort of mindset from the people working with/for DBD, this game is 100% not worth coming back to if you are a soloQ survivor.

Killer is still fun (minus running into SWF groups)
Survivor is still fun (If you run with a swf group, I guess?)

https://gamerant.com/dead-by-daylight-anti-cheater-update-roadmap/

Band-aid measures, but largely nothing is being done.

[JocelynAwakens]

There is a misunderstanding there; we cannot take action without a report, and the in-game report is a mandatory part of the process. Please review the Game Rules if you need more clarification! https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules

However, it should also be noted that hacks and cheats are a constant moving target. We are aware of the ongoing situation, understand and agree that is frustrating, and are working hard to continue to implement measures to address the things that are ruining our players' experiences.

[Scoops Robin for DBD]

It has improved somewhat, they have been mass banning cheaters, however this is one of the latest videos about their efforts.

Note, I dont' know how true what Dowsey says here is, just this is the latest video I could find addressing things by streamers I follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OekwQ5lDbvc

[Poltergeist]

Originally posted by Jocelynbee:

There is a misunderstanding there; we cannot take action without a report, and the in-game report is a mandatory part of the process. Please review the Game Rules if you need more clarification! https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules

However, it should also be noted that hacks and cheats are a constant moving target. We are aware of the ongoing situation, understand and agree that is frustrating, and are working hard to continue to implement measures to address the things that are ruining our players' experiences.

Problem is that it is well documented that reporting on it's own results in no action being taken, UNLESS you also go to BHVR's third party website and take the time to fill out a second report as well as submitting photo and video evidence of said cheating. It creates the impression that work is all on the player to spoonfeed the devs all of the info. On top of that, sometimes the devs also just disagree with your report in addition to never updating their reporting criteria.

A few months ago I submitted a report on a Starstruck Nurse who downed everyone and then made all 4 of us wait out the bleed timer. On BHVR's own website, one of the actions you are allowed to report a player for in one of their drop down boxes for Unsportsmanlike Conduct is "slugging". After submitting video , within the hour I received a reply that it was not something I can report somebody for and they would not be taking further action. I still have the email.

Imagine for instance that somebody broke into your house. You go to the police station after calling 911 to submit a report on what happened. After doing so the Chief of Police just hands you a badge and says "Go figure it out lol, we have better things to do". Thats what it feels like to deal with cheating and reports in DBD. This is further emphasized by the fact that somebody in the mod team for the DBD subreddit created a rule that youre not allowed to post about encountering cheating in any way, shape, form, or context.

Rules arent being enforced, punishment is not being handed out, and any attempt to shed light on the issue of cheaters/hackers is being suppressed. You can view it like that one part of Tombstone where the protagonists realize the Sheriff in town is a coward who cant do his job.

[JocelynAwakens]

I am not sure where you read that slugging is reportable, but it very much is not: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules It is listed under discarded report reasons. I also want to note that BHVR does not control posts, content, or rules on the subreddit as it is a community and not an official channel.

I also want to note that in game reports and support tickets are helpful, but we have other practices in place to deal with cheating and hacks.

Once we detect someone has cheated (or is trying to cheat), their account is permanently banned from the game. There are a few ways we address cheats:

-Automated bans: We work with our anti-cheat partner, Easy Anti-Cheat, to report and track new cheats. If the anti-cheat detects one of these being used, they are automatically banned.
-In-game countermeasures: We make changes to both the game client and dedicated servers to prevent cheaters from doing certain things. This lessens the impact of cheats and reduces the amount of damage they can do.
-Manual bans: We investigate your reports and manually block cheaters. This is crucial when a new cheat has not yet been tracked by the anti-cheat.

[kat]

Game is still full of them, I think it always will be.
It's not exclusive to this game but it definitely has way more than most others.

[⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞]

Originally posted by LegionMoreLikeVirgin:

A few months ago I submitted a report on a Starstruck Nurse who downed everyone and then made all 4 of us wait out the bleed timer. On BHVR's own website, one of the actions you are allowed to report a player for in one of their drop down boxes for Unsportsmanlike Conduct is "slugging". After submitting video , within the hour I received a reply that it was not something I can report somebody for and they would not be taking further action. I still have the email.

I think this list (official BHVR) should be posted in every thread like this.

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THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT CONSIDERED BANNABLE OFFENSES - PLEASE DO NOT REPORT:

Camping
Slugging
Tunneling
Streamsniping
Teabagging
Bodyblocking
Looping

[Scoops Robin for DBD]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

Originally posted by LegionMoreLikeVirgin:

A few months ago I submitted a report on a Starstruck Nurse who downed everyone and then made all 4 of us wait out the bleed timer. On BHVR's own website, one of the actions you are allowed to report a player for in one of their drop down boxes for Unsportsmanlike Conduct is "slugging". After submitting video , within the hour I received a reply that it was not something I can report somebody for and they would not be taking further action. I still have the email.

I think this list (official BHVR) should be posted in every thread like this.

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THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT CONSIDERED BANNABLE OFFENSES - PLEASE DO NOT REPORT:

Camping
Slugging
Tunneling
Streamsniping
Teabagging
Bodyblocking
Looping

Yep, though it should also be pointed out that while BHVR doesn't care about STreamsniping, many games and Twitch itself do.

[Big Walmart]

Originally posted by Invictus Titan Rex:

Hello - a few weeks back there was this big cheater outcry - that so many streamers and normal players got hold hostage by cheaters or 102% MS survivors, has it been better lately or is it not worth comming back?

Just get some cheats. If you can't beat them join them.

[Bannith]

Originally posted by Scoops Robin for DBD:

Originally posted by ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

I think this list (official BHVR) should be posted in every thread like this.

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THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT CONSIDERED BANNABLE OFFENSES - PLEASE DO NOT REPORT:

Camping
Slugging
Tunneling
Streamsniping
Teabagging
Bodyblocking
Looping

Yep, though it should also be pointed out that while BHVR doesn't care about STreamsniping, many games and Twitch itself do.

They need to correct the ingame report system then because body blocking is written there in the descriptor as a reportable offense under griefing if I remember correctly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[JocelynAwakens]

Originally posted by Bannith:

Originally posted by Scoops Robin for DBD:

Yep, though it should also be pointed out that while BHVR doesn't care about STreamsniping, many games and Twitch itself do.

They need to correct the ingame report system then because body blocking is written there in the descriptor as a reportable offense under griefing if I remember correctly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Bodyblocking that is not reportable is not the same as taking a game hostage, which IS listed under Griefing.

[MischievousSpyra]

Originally posted by Bannith:

Originally posted by Scoops Robin for DBD:

Yep, though it should also be pointed out that while BHVR doesn't care about STreamsniping, many games and Twitch itself do.

They need to correct the ingame report system then because body blocking is written there in the descriptor as a reportable offense under griefing if I remember correctly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Most of the stuff in the list is still on the reports, I don't mind if they update the rules, but they need to change the list of the reportable offences in game since most of them are still claimed to be reportable offences.

[ジオフロントエコ]

Originally posted by Invictus Titan Rex:

Hello - a few weeks back there was this big cheater outcry - that so many streamers and normal players got hold hostage by cheaters or 102% MS survivors, has it been better lately or is it not worth comming back?

Well, months back I started playing on this Steam activelly and left behind my secondary Steam acc (basically was just leveling up friend's DBD, because he likes to play but he doesn't like to do quests and farm, it's boring for him, he just likes to do that fun part and trying builds).

As much as I know widely from low to high MMR... Rare cheaters in low MMR are completely gone. Regarding mid and high MMR, you can still meet them. Few days back, just after Knight update, I met a survivor who just stunned me with a pallet and then went right into ground and escaped 2 sec after (from the middle of the map). When I exposed him and told him I saw him and I have record, he started bullying me in chat and laughing into my face.

Today I met a Billy, who had no vision perks, he had 100 hours on DBD Steam profile but was able to precisely focus anyone around entire map. He basically did 4k at 1 gen done. He also seemed a bit too fast without being in a sprint. When I exposed him, the same thing - just laugh and toxic chat.

To be honest, I am happy I don't have cheater every 2nd game as I used to have. Because high MMR was pure hell in that way, because that was the range of MMR cheaters were focusing on. Since you have to pay for that cheat engine weekly, a lot of people just realized they don't want to throw money out of window, when BHVR just patched most irritating bugs they were using. For example they can't hold you hostage anymore, there is implemented timer which doesn't allow them to do so. They can't also do instant gens as they used to (what I noticed, they are still able somehow to get faster gen repair even without perks).

Last week before BHVR started doing actions against them, I had cheater in every 2nd/3rd game, without jokes. Most of them were subbtle cheaters thinking you won't notice, when they have 103% movement speed or when they finish gen solo without perks for it or toolbox in 70 seconds instead of 90. Also met a lot of cheaters who just used exhausted perks 2 or 3 times in 1 for example 40 sec chase. After BHVR took actions, I have 1 cheater every 3rd-4th day in my game. Which is really different number.

As much as it looks great, I am sure this is not the end and we can expect that situation will repeat. Simply because creators of those cheats are getting incredible amount of money for it and I am sure they want to continue in it. At least server-side validation for some things is really great as much as cheaters have to come up with workaround or simply give up, because manipulation with client won't help them.

And yes, I agree, we definitely need better report system and also some automatic bans (which doesn't seem like they work so much for now). People are incredibly toxic in chat after game and simple report isn't enough (like seriously? even 10 and more years old MMO games have automatic detection of toxic language, I don't know why something like this doesn't exist in DBD and if does, why it doesn't work properly...) + on cheaters you have to take footage as it would be hard to store small amount of data from every match about movements, actions, etc. I remember some people already calculated precisely the size of file with those data which could DBD then use to ban people and it's nothing crazy regarding dozens of thousands of active players... That said, everybody who play this game for long time knows, that DBD devs like spaghetti code, which is just devil's arm for those issues. Maybe wouldn't be bad idea to hire some external company to clean up mess in code after them. Ye, sure, money... But... I have no problem then buy more things for Auric Cells, if there will be less bugs and cheaters :) And I am sure I am not alone.

[Infrasound]

i know the people doing skins don't write server code but cmon make it easier to report people.

[Bannith]

Originally posted by Jocelynbee:

Originally posted by Bannith:

They need to correct the ingame report system then because body blocking is written there in the descriptor as a reportable offense under griefing if I remember correctly. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Bodyblocking that is not reportable is not the same as taking a game hostage, which IS listed under Griefing.

It just says "bodyblocking" if I remember right. Which means it needs clarified or it's just going to keep causing confusion.