You can still lose as a Killer if you play perfectly

[Consent]

This is a semi-rant and semi-informative post.

Now before any average SWF main starts flaming me about how im just crying, just read what im going to type, and SOMEHOW try to pin that on me.

I was playing Pyramid, perks are Lethal, Nurse's Calling, I'm All Ears and Forced Penance. The map was Yamaoka Estate.

We all spawned in, i picked the closest Survivor, chased him, missed like two hits of Rites, but thats all. Downed the fella, hooked him. And by the time i went towards the other side of the map where the survivors were, two popped at the same time, and the one i was going to was around 90-99%.

Lets also think of a scenario where i didnt miss those two Rites hits, and got there 15 seconds earlier. Doesnt matter. Still 2 gens would pop, and I'd have one next to me thats ~80%. That game is already OVER. So, i figured its not possible to win either way, I chased the guy i found, downed him, the teammates finished the gen by the time i hooked. I decided to camp, for obvious reasons. 2 gens left on 2 hooks, and its not because i had weak chase. Its because of the sheer RNG of the map you get, its layouts and where you all spawn. Well, even camping didnt help, since even with the double hits you can do with Pyramid Head on unhookers, they still had teammates spare, doing and finishing gens. I basically swapped hooks on the first one i was camping, then i had to go for a chase the 2nd time. The last gen popped, the guy had Adrenaline, he got a health stage, and now im in a situation where both exit gates are on opposite sides, survivors aside from the one im chasing are too far, and im just betting EVERYTHING on being able to hit the guy twice before he ran from shack to the gate that was like 40m away. Shack still had pellet since it didnt even have a chance to be used, and so on. You get the point.

There is nothing that i could have done to save that game aside from one perk: Corrupt.

You can say "It's your fault, PHead needs corrupt!"

And i say, what if i was Nemesis? Pinhead? Trapper? Twins? Myers? Hag? Doctor? Clown? Pig? Legion? Demo? Oni? None of these killers have the mobility to get the first down and make it to the 3 generators that were being worked on. Even Legion, due to distance issues.

So the point is, sometimes, if you get hit by RNG hard enough, it doesnt matter how well you play. Luckily the survivors in my match were chads, and they were more supportive of me rather than saying "Ez camper xddd" like most SWFs would.

Fellow Killer mains, dont let your bad games get to you. If Survivors play perfectly, they will win most of the time, as they can be in four places at once, and the distance in between only hurts you, not them. Enjoy your games, acknowledge that sometimes there just simply wasnt anything you could have done, and continue.

On a side note, i do not support camping aside from when gates are powered. However this game started out so already done that i treated it as if gates were already powered, since i had no way to chase, down, and get 10 more hook stages while survivors had to do 2 of 4 gens, that were very far from each other.

Also dear Survivors, dont diss Killers for being bad. Its a 1v4 asymmetrical game. I've never seen a Killer specifically flame a survivor during the endgame text chat, but I've been flamed many times. Its called having a bad day, we all have them. Its just that when you're a Killer, having a bad day means your entire team is having a bad day, while as a survivor you still have 3 more teammates that need to be having a bad day to balance the scales.

Thanks for reading my essay.

Edit: Added proof.

https://youtu.be/KvV_eFqXZT4

[Smugwib <3 Bagels]

Yes, but survivors can also play theoretically perfect DBD and still get 4ked too.

It goes both ways, but in a controlled environment (and not even organized play mind you, like Simulations / mathing it out) it's easier to make "Survivor just wins" arguments than killer

But this is also a game where Surv is linear and killer is the exponential / snowball role

And that dynamic is part of why this game works, and continues to work when people started making it a coms game

Killer and surv are different skill sets and the game doesn't need to be balanced such that the better team wins

it just needs to be playable for both sides, and for it to be possible for each side to win / shut the other out, and right now, we have that. the balance is good enough

[Koketepeto]

Yes, but survivors can also play theoretically perfect DBD and still get 4ked too.

Only vs nuse/blight, if they lose vs any other killer they did not play perfect.

[Smugwib <3 Bagels]

Originally posted by Koketepeto:

Yes, but survivors can also play theoretically perfect DBD and still get 4ked too.

Only vs nuse/blight, if they lose vs any other killer they did not play perfect.

Spirit, Artist, Huntress, Wesker with best maps / loadouts, Pyramid head and even Bubba on a kind enough map aren't hard to make cases for

You can do it for other killers too, it's just harder

Even with perfect play, there is a margin for incidence in this game. because there are so many "Coin flips" what perk is brought by who, which way people run, how people play in loops.

Hell i'd argue that Bubba with addons on a really nasty iteration of wrecker's yard is meaner than double range nurse on Mother's dwelling!

But yes, the sentiment that only blight vs nurse isn't entirely wrong, as an attitude, even if it isn't strictly true

[Probably afk tbh]

It sounds like you just got tilted, honestly most games unless the survivor is really bad or you get crazy lucky/good you will likely lose 1-2 gens for the first hook. That's really where the game begins usually.

It sucks and feels bad and until they address it taking almost 30-45 seconds to walk across the map there just isn't much that can be done about it.

[Smugwib <3 Bagels]

Originally posted by Koketepeto:

Yes, but survivors can also play theoretically perfect DBD and still get 4ked too.

Only vs nuse/blight, if they lose vs any other killer they did not play perfect.

There are much simpler games like chess where you can put the same position on the board and generations can argue it for 200 years, then computers come in and we can still argue / arms race calculations and theory

in DBD? there is obviously a hiearchy, but the game is so much more playable than we like to give it credit, for both sides

And even if DBD stopped being updated, Our meta / idea of perfect play would evolve over time too.

[Baby Trash Rat]

What's your point? I 4k more often than not when there is one or two gens remaining, the first three gens don't matter at all for a killer win, I don't care if the first three pop after my second hook or not, everyone still dies and I never camp/tunnel or slug for kills so, I'd say it's definitely a skill issue and you definitely didn't play perfectly if you lost simply because a couple of gens got finished by the time you got your first hook, that's pretty common actually.

[Harmonica]

Nobody ever played a perfect game. But yes, the game is massively high variance, you can't judge yourself on a single performance, only dozens of them. And even then, killers have huge % swings not just per map but per variant of those base maps, and sometimes you get a good map but the layout is still sub-optimal, and the survs will be grouped up on two gens both with gen rush perks.

Analysis is good but ultimately you'll go mad if you get too into the weeds on it - not only does the game not really benefit you much for doing so but it actively punishes you and throws it in your face, as you experienced, even when you're doing things right. In other games with variance we call this 'results orientated thinking'. You have to avoid that trap.

[Consent]

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

What's your point? I 4k more often than not when there is one or two gens remaining, the first three gens don't matter at all for a killer win, I don't care if the first three pop after my second hook or not, everyone still dies and I never camp/tunnel or slug for kills so, I'd say it's definitely a skill issue and you definitely didn't play perfectly if you lost simply because a couple of gens got finished by the time you got your first hook, that's pretty common actually.

You are high, and its not a skill issue. I 4k more often than not as well.

You cant get 10 hooks when only 2 gens are left, and the last 4 gens on the map are each on their own corner. Especially if you dont slug.

You CAN get 4ks on 2 gens left, no one is arguing against that. But you cant get a 4k on 2 gens left if you start the game with 1 hook.

If you really want, i do have a recording.

[Consent]

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

What's your point? I 4k more often than not when there is one or two gens remaining, the first three gens don't matter at all for a killer win, I don't care if the first three pop after my second hook or not, everyone still dies and I never camp/tunnel or slug for kills so, I'd say it's definitely a skill issue and you definitely didn't play perfectly if you lost simply because a couple of gens got finished by the time you got your first hook, that's pretty common actually.

Actually, add me on Discord. My tag is cnsnnt#6362. Apparently i played even better than i thought. I would *love* to hear your criticism.

[ggeymer]

I have been playing periodically since the summer of 2016 and I don’t understand why the current vegetables consider the killers weak, in my memory they are now stronger than ever, with the exception of the first weeks of the release of the Krueger (he was a real nightmare back then)

[Smugwib <3 Bagels]

Originally posted by ggeymer:

I have been playing periodically since the summer of 2016 and I don’t understand why the current vegetables consider the killers weak, in my memory they are now stronger than ever, with the exception of the first weeks of the release of the Krueger (he was a real nightmare back then)

lol

[Mn₂O₇]

Originally posted by cnsnnt:

Actually, add me on Discord. My tag is cnsnnt#6362. Apparently i played even better than i thought. I would *love* to hear your criticism.

I'll actually would change some of your perks for Phead if you have other ones, I feel like Nurses and Leathal are little weird pick for him.
Corrupt would've helped you way more to not lose gens of start so fast. Or even Deadlock (it wouldn't be as good, but there was possibility of regressing them after the lock).

Lethal is a great perk for killer that has mobility or can snipe survs from other side of the map.

[sirco]

Honestly with no gen defense perk you start the match with a disadvantage you have 3 to 4 minute to get your 4k.

[Consent]

Originally posted by Mn₂O₇:

Originally posted by cnsnnt:

Actually, add me on Discord. My tag is cnsnnt#6362. Apparently i played even better than i thought. I would *love* to hear your criticism.

I'll actually would change some of your perks for Phead if you have other ones, I feel like Nurses and Leathal are little weird pick for him.
Corrupt would've helped you way more to not lose gens of start so fast. Or even Deadlock (it wouldn't be as good, but there was possibility of regressing them after the lock).

Lethal is a great perk for killer that has mobility or can snipe survs from other side of the map.

I know Corrupt would have been a good option here. But any other gen regression perk wouldnt help, as the first two gens popped at the same time. Pain Res is pointless on Pyramid, And others like Call Of Brine, Overcharge, Eruption etc actually need me to be on the generator first, so they dont help either.

The issue is, why am i forced to equip a perk? Lets say i just got Pyramid, and never had Plague or used the Shrine to buy corrupt. Am i meant to lose a game over something that is physically impossible to stop aside from using Corrupt?

[Xani]

idk in a situation like that i guess i would like to have deadlock and scourge hook so that first hook would of cause 1 of those 2 gens to regress and the other finishing would of blocked the 2nd gen from popping and give you 30 sec in a map like that you also dont want to run from 1 side to the other constantly just defend around a selected 3 gen after 2 gens pop choose what gen they are allowed to do