Pain Resonance + Dead Man's Switch = Exploit.

[Ice_Tea_Zero]

Why is this broken crutch combo still in the game? I can remember devs said that perks that depend on others shouldn't exist, that's why Pop + Ruin got removed. Just make Pain Resonance how it worked shortly after the prestige rework and fix Nurse instead. Literally every Killer use those two perks because it's OP as f**k, not even Dead Hard was used that many times!..

[Baby Trash Rat]

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

[⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞]

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

They already gave back the classic version of "mettle of man" after survs whined about that.

[Jackpot]

"Perks that depend on each other" "Ruin + Pop"
I wanna assume old version of Ruin, in the ancient times when it regressed for not hitting greats? Which even then I wouldn't say they depended on each other, just were busted being together. Otherwise if you mean Ruin as in with the whole regressing thing... The two literally countered each other and at most Pop was just a backup for when Survivors destroyed Ruin to still have regression, back before there was even as many slowdown/regression perks as there are now.

As for the whole Pain Resonance and Deadman Switch... You know, you can stop pressing M1 when you see the aura of a survivor about to go onto the hook, let go during that and THEN continue working on it.

Originally posted by ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

They already gave back the classic version of "mettle of man" after survs whined about that.

Nah man, that is NOT "classic" version of mettle man.
Classic version was getting three hits from BASIC attack.
Now it requires PROTECTION hits, not just getting hit.

Before, it was bad because after going through all that effort of getting 3 protection hits... Your endurance just literally went away if you touched a gen or anything, like ♥♥♥♥ that. It's already difficult to activate on it's own, why make it even weaker and easy to just instantly lose?

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

It was nerfed in the sense of they removed the "scream" part from pain resonance, because it made it too strong and viable since it gave both regression and VERY valuable information.
Then they readded it, but it doesn't have an indicator of the scream, but if you actually know how to play the game and have functioning headphones, you can figure out the direction that it didn't change anything.
Aka; they just reverted it and technically removed accessibility from the game, as usual.

[Paulo Ramos]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

They already gave back the classic version of "mettle of man" after survs whined about that.

They nerfed after the update because killers whined about about have to hit survivers 3 times. It is different since they just removed this nerf because it made the perk useless.

[Terrorize Exercise]

Surprisingly most of the time pairing Dead Mans Switch with Pain Resonance isn't even worth it. Better off trading Dead Mans Switch for something like Jolt for instance.

[ZaydinTTV]

How is it an exploit? It's a combo allowed by the devs that got nerfed.

[76561199244198778]

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

Pretty much shows how killer sided the game is and yet 🗑️ tier killers still struggle 😅

[Hex: Legal Alien]

Is this a bait or something? This combo is SO easy to counter, literally just let go of the gen just before they get the hook. No scream, don't get forced of the gen, you can continue working on it unless the killer actually comes over and forces you off in which case deadmans switch is doing what it was designed to do.

I'm sorry, but my main response to stuff like this is stop complaining and get good. The synergy between these two perks only comes into play against bad survivors such as yourself, which is fine, but think before you speak.

[i killed god]

Btw, Pain Res scream doesn't cause you to reveal your location to the killer.

[RamboRusina]

Originally posted by Ice_Tea_Zero:

Why is this broken crutch combo still in the game? Literally every Killer use those two perks because it's OP as f**k, not even Dead Hard was used that many times!..

Just let go of the motor when the hook animation starts? Also Pain Resonance has less than 19% popularity so it's not even remotely close to old DH popularity. Old DH was the most popular perk in the entire game. Even at 1100 MMR(beginner MMR) it had nearly 35% popularity so almost double of current Pain Res and DH going as high as 75% at top MMR bracket

[WakkaBlitzBallChamp]

Originally posted by ⎛⎝⎛-||-⎞ ⎠⎞:

Originally posted by Baby Trash Rat:

I mean, it was nerfed in the killer sided update but then the devs decided to give it back to killers but didn't give anything back to survivors. Killer role can have this combo but at least give iron will back to survivors.

They already gave back the classic version of "mettle of man" after survs whined about that.

Do you really compare top1 very strong killer perk which is used by 25% of killers versus a meme perk which is used by 1% of survivors?

[Peelsepuuppi]

BHVR has no idea what they are doing. That's why.

[San Dark Sun]

to use them, you must first catch the survivor

If the survivors fall every 20-40 seconds, then it is the fault of the survivors themselves

[Smoothie]

I know someone already said that, but I'm gonna say this again:
-how to counter Pain Res/DMS combo:
1. let off your gen when you see a survivor is being hooked;
done.

And to be fair, DMS itself can really come in clutch only if you have a way to harass survs off the gen after the hook, so you probably want to run something like bbq and use killers like Artist, Blight or even Hillbilly, to get value from DMS. This combo is not even remotely close to being as good as you described it, Deadlock gets much better value than DMS.

[limierr]

Originally posted by Ice_Tea_Zero:

Why is this broken crutch combo still in the game? I can remember devs said that perks that depend on others shouldn't exist, that's why Pop + Ruin got removed. Just make Pain Resonance how it worked shortly after the prestige rework and fix Nurse instead. Literally every Killer use those two perks because it's OP as f**k, not even Dead Hard was used that many times!..

To answer your point : they add it back in exchange of a reduction of the slowdown and a reduction of the block gen by half. Otherwise you would have bigger time waste as the reduction would be bigger and you would have wait 60s for the gen.
But didn’t worry if you encounter an issue, just stop work on a gen when the killer hook someone.