Dance Whit Me: Guide to improvement.

[AndryGate]

How many times do you die jumping on a window that is more useless than useful? I thought about a change, the charging times will remain the same as we have. Speed ​​up jump animation to full speed, fix Windows problem.

Dance Whit me
You jump out of windows at full speed, leave no scratches for 3 seconds, when you jump out of a window or quickly get out of a closet.

Do you think it would be a good improvement for the poor survivors who don't use voice chat?

[Audacity]

Vaulting is broken in general i cannot count how many times i fast vault the window and got hit like 20 ft away from it and downed

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by H-MiD:

Vaulting is broken in general i cannot count how many times i fast vault the window and got hit like 20 ft away from it and downed

I know, for this you would need at least 25 35% speed in the jump animation, something that guarantees for the window.

[AndryGate]

Let's fix this broken game guys. Please...

[Keyrala]

Dance with me is already too strong when used properly by an experienced survivor, doesn't needs a buff. I don't think it's healthy to add more of those "Let's pretend you don't suck at the game" perks.
People should learn what's the proper distance for a fast vault and wich windows they should or not vault depending on the distance in the chase.

The reason we have many trash rank 1 survivors is because they got carry'd by their quadruple second chance perks, but when it's about taking smart choices they always show off their lack of knowledge of the game, because they can always say "tunneler, camper, tryhard" instead of learning from their mistakes

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

Dance with me is already too strong when used properly by an experienced survivor, doesn't needs a buff. I don't think it's healthy to add more of those "Let's pretend you don't suck at the game" perks.
People should learn what's the proper distance for a fast vault and wich windows they should or not vault depending on the distance in the chase.

The reason we have many trash rank 1 survivors is because they got carry'd by their quadruple second chance perks, but when it's about taking smart choices they always show off their lack of knowledge of the game, because they can always say "tunneler, camper, tryhard" instead of learning from their mistakes

I have problems with pallets, I have problems with windows. I'm grade 9. When I avoid the means that the game offers you I can play sometimes I win. I feel cheated by this game. Advantages neutralized, why do I have to jump out of a window if I let the killer gain enough space to strike? I respect every killer, but when I press the button to lower the pallet and it doesn't go down, what can I do? I have some ideas, maybe I can switch to the killer gameplay that works best and watch the survivors hanging on the hook to avoid nausea. I'll do it next time, it would be stupid to leave the game because of someone who doesn't know how to make the right evaluations of their work.

[Keyrala]

Originally posted by AndryGate:

Originally posted by Keyrala:

Dance with me is already too strong when used properly by an experienced survivor, doesn't needs a buff. I don't think it's healthy to add more of those "Let's pretend you don't suck at the game" perks.
People should learn what's the proper distance for a fast vault and wich windows they should or not vault depending on the distance in the chase.

The reason we have many trash rank 1 survivors is because they got carry'd by their quadruple second chance perks, but when it's about taking smart choices they always show off their lack of knowledge of the game, because they can always say "tunneler, camper, tryhard" instead of learning from their mistakes

I have problems with pallets, I have problems with windows. I'm grade 9. When I avoid the means that the game offers you I can play sometimes I win. I feel cheated by this game. Advantages neutralized, why do I have to jump out of a window if I let the killer gain enough space to strike? I respect every killer, but when I press the button to lower the pallet and it doesn't go down, what can I do? I have some ideas, maybe I can switch to the killer gameplay that works best and watch the survivors hanging on the hook to avoid nausea. I'll do it next time, it would be stupid to leave the game because of someone who doesn't know how to make the right evaluations of their work.

The game is fine, the problem is the server, try hosting a game as survivor and let your friend chase you into a vault, and you won't get those ranged vault attacks.
You need to learn when you can fast vault or not, creating a perk to remove another game mechanic is not the answer, im using dance with me in most of my builds and i have no issues in vaulting and faking my direction to dissapear during a chase, you only need to know wich windows are good for dance with me. Not all of them are good of course.

When you can't drop the pallet is because the killer is actually standing on it but the server desynch showing you the killer is on the other side, so when you're at the lobby you should check your MS so you will be prepaired for pre dropping pallets or greedy things, you can't do greedy pallet things unless you have like 70 ms or less.
If you are playing on wifi then even if you have 70 ms you can't relly on it since wifi tends to suck for games with bad netcode so you better pre-drop all pallets after looping them 1 or 2 times max.

If you can't deal with all this then just play killer as you mentioned.

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

Originally posted by AndryGate:

I have problems with pallets, I have problems with windows. I'm grade 9. When I avoid the means that the game offers you I can play sometimes I win. I feel cheated by this game. Advantages neutralized, why do I have to jump out of a window if I let the killer gain enough space to strike? I respect every killer, but when I press the button to lower the pallet and it doesn't go down, what can I do? I have some ideas, maybe I can switch to the killer gameplay that works best and watch the survivors hanging on the hook to avoid nausea. I'll do it next time, it would be stupid to leave the game because of someone who doesn't know how to make the right evaluations of their work.

The game is fine, the problem is the server, try hosting a game as survivor and let your friend chase you into a vault, and you won't get those ranged vault attacks.
You need to learn when you can fast vault or not, creating a perk to remove another game mechanic is not the answer, im using dance with me in most of my builds and i have no issues in vaulting and faking my direction to dissapear during a chase, you only need to know wich windows are good for dance with me. Not all of them are good of course.

When you can't drop the pallet is because the killer is actually standing on it but the server desynch showing you the killer is on the other side, so when you're at the lobby you should check your MS so you will be prepaired for pre dropping pallets or greedy things, you can't do greedy pallet things unless you have like 70 ms or less.
If you are playing on wifi then even if you have 70 ms you can't relly on it since wifi tends to suck for games with bad netcode so you better pre-drop all pallets after looping them 1 or 2 times max.

If you can't deal with all this then just play killer as you mentioned.

Thanks, I'll take the pallets down on a missed target. Dance with me, I don't use it, too risky. When I'm tired of trying too hard, I'll use the killer and watch the survivors on the hook.

[Keyrala]

I don't know what you mean by taking pallets down on a missed target, also if you can't take advice maybe the forum is not the right place to post perk suggestions to compensate your poor performance as survivor.

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

I don't know what you mean by taking pallets down on a missed target, also if you can't take advice maybe the forum is not the right place to post perk suggestions to compensate your poor performance as survivor.

My performance is excellent, much better than yours in a Dance with me slot. it's an advantage that only works in specific environments. I will never use it, useless as a scratch card. As for the pallets, I want to agree with you.

[Keyrala]

I mean, you don't know what's my performance in game, but when i see something not working as i wanted it to work i try researching and testing with people to see why things don't work as i want, maybe it was me? maybe it was lag? i'll find it myself by testing....

But i know you just puked a sugestion to buffing an already strong perk (only strong if you're good at the game tho) to always fastvault because....?

...Yup exactly, is not you it's the game, right? ;). Like maybe try learning the fast vault distance instead of wishing for dumb buffs?. There is also some complicate tech that let's you fast vault in short areas like the top window at the saloon so if you can learn that then i guess you shouldn't struggle in any other vaults.

Then i gave you proper advice in how to drop pallets when it' lagging, wich is exactly why you described "the pallet won't drop" and you're all like: ok no buff then i'll facecamp :)

GL with that i guess... I couldn't care less about people camping or tunneling, just adapt yourself to the diff lobby MS since the devs won't fix it and you will never get hit through a pallet or vault. Don't be greedy with the loops and you should be fine.

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

I mean, you don't know what's my performance in game, but when i see something not working as i wanted it to work i try researching and testing with people to see why things don't work as i want, maybe it was me? maybe it was lag? i'll find it myself by testing....

But i know you just puked a sugestion to buffing an already strong perk (only strong if you're good at the game tho) to always fastvault because....?

...Yup exactly, is not you it's the game, right? ;). Like maybe try learning the fast vault distance instead of wishing for dumb buffs?. There is also some complicate tech that let's you fast vault in short areas like the top window at the saloon so if you can learn that then i guess you shouldn't struggle in any other vaults.

Then i gave you proper advice in how to drop pallets when it' lagging, wich is exactly why you described "the pallet won't drop" and you're all like: ok no buff then i'll facecamp :)

GL with that i guess... I couldn't care less about people camping or tunneling, just adapt yourself to the diff lobby MS since the devs won't fix it and you will never get hit through a pallet or vault. Don't be greedy with the loops and you should be fine.

Sorry if I didn't mean to offend your performance, I just think Dance With Me, it's a perk I wouldn't use, in the many high ranking builds, I notice it's not used. I just want to break the line. Why do we always have to have the same benefits? Can a quick jump unbalance the game, despite the advantage taking 40 seconds to recharge? The killer is on another level, with all the perks he can have at his disposal. I don't want to break the balance, because at the moment it's not bad, I want other advantages to be considered, to have more variability in the builds. This is what makes the game beautiful and exciting, fixing the generators and sensing that every advantage has a usefulness. Dancing with me is fine, but sometimes you won't have the ideal map to put it into practice. A killer has perks that will always be useful, except special abilities.

[Keyrala]

Killers has many useless perks just as survivors. You say, a quick jump won't make difference? yes it will in a chase, in the killer shack for example, a moment where you should get hit because there is no a proper distance for a fast vault, the perk gives you a free fastvault making the chase stupid long.

Just like deadhard, of you use it right you can turn a situation in wich you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a mindgame that's meant to put you down, into a another 30-60 seconds loop because you managed to reach and drop a pallet forcing the killer to break it restarting bloodlust while you run to next loop.

I like dance with me such as other perks like quick and quiet and the fake locker perk to have their specific cooldown instead of depending on exhaustion, for a quick vault perk you have lithe. Just learn the quick vault tech and you can use it almost anywhere.

You won't see dance with me in high ranks very often, because most high ranks players are people that got carry'd by voice comms and not actual skill so they can't stop using their quadruple second chance perks to make up for their mistakes.

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

Killers has many useless perks just as survivors. You say, a quick jump won't make difference? yes it will in a chase, in the killer shack for example, a moment where you should get hit because there is no a proper distance for a fast vault, the perk gives you a free fastvault making the chase stupid long.

Just like deadhard, of you use it right you can turn a situation in wich you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up a mindgame that's meant to put you down, into a another 30-60 seconds loop because you managed to reach and drop a pallet forcing the killer to break it restarting bloodlust while you run to next loop.

I like dance with me such as other perks like quick and quiet and the fake locker perk to have their specific cooldown instead of depending on exhaustion, for a quick vault perk you have lithe. Just learn the quick vault tech and you can use it almost anywhere.

You won't see dance with me in high ranks very often, because most high ranks players are people that got carry'd by voice comms and not actual skill so they can't stop using their quadruple second chance perks to make up for their mistakes.

Believe me this is not the case, the environment will always play an important role. you are taking a quick jump, not a sprint. An ax, a crossbow, the jumping killer, you will not be safe anyway, but you will have a chance not to lose ground due to the slow animation. The upgrade I'm suggesting won't compromise an assassin's ability. Even the silent hill killer will have no problem, believe me.

[Keyrala]

That would still be another clutch perk to survive a failed loop. You can avoid that mistake by learning the vault tech.

[AndryGate]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

That would still be another clutch perk to survive a failed loop. You can avoid that mistake by learning the vault tech.

If you like it the way it is, that's fine. It is an advantage that I will not consider at the moment.