Does Brutal Strength ever pull its weight?

[Juular]

I'm a casual player and I like my killers simple - to be good at what they do moment to moment and not invest much into various information/slowdown/gotcha gimmicks. So I aim to build a good M1 relentless menace from few fitting killers and am farming perks for that. However I have my doubts about Brutal Strength+Enduring combo, which supposedly should let me chew those palettes through significantly faster. But actually I'm having trouble to gauge if the gains from an extra second less it takes merits a perk slot I could use for something else. Endurance really shows a night and day difference, but with BS I'm always wondering if it seeming meaningfully faster is just my wishful thinking.

What do those of you who used it think?

[MrFlaptastic]

It's probably a better to not use those two perks as a combo; you're better off dedicating a slot to something else. I've never noticed much of a difference when using Brutal Strength, but it helps you keep track of survivors better. I'd say go for Enduring since it allows you to make riskier plays and possibly hit survivors at a pallet.

[Cisco]

Publicado originalmente por MrFlaptastic:

It's probably a better to not use those two perks as a combo; you're better off dedicating a slot to something else. I've never noticed much of a difference when using Brutal Strength, but it helps you keep track of survivors better. I'd say go for Enduring since it allows you to make riskier plays and possibly hit survivors at a pallet.

I mean, spirit fury + enduring ususally works wonders for me

[limierr]

Honestly … both perks together is a wasted combo in my opinion . It can give some hit and fast reaction but that based on the luck called hit detection .
For brutal strength … dépend of the killer .

[MrFlaptastic]

Publicado originalmente por Cisco:

Publicado originalmente por MrFlaptastic:

It's probably a better to not use those two perks as a combo; you're better off dedicating a slot to something else. I've never noticed much of a difference when using Brutal Strength, but it helps you keep track of survivors better. I'd say go for Enduring since it allows you to make riskier plays and possibly hit survivors at a pallet.

I mean, spirit fury + enduring ususally works wonders for me

Spirit Fury + Enduring is good, but I'd just avoid pairing Enduring with Brutal Strength.

[Nichole24]

How would you feel about Brutal Strength + Save the Best for Last + Fire Up and either Agitator or Bamboozle? If you're looking to M1 with perks that give you moment to moment improvements.

[Ghost of Razgriz]

Brutal is pointless on most killers. Wraith can make us of it when paired with his Shadow Dance addon, but that's all that comes to mind. Enduring can be solid. Just pair it with Spirit Fury.

[Null Winter]

Most of the "chase and hit" Killers have a faster way to break/ignore pallets and walls, so Brutal Strength can probably go.

It would help a lot if you mentioned the pool of characters you're working with.

[Juular]

Publicado originalmente por Null Winter:

It would help a lot if you mentioned the pool of characters you're working with.

Pinhead, Ghostface and planning to buy Mikey in a couple of days. My build was Surge, Enduring, Unrelenting and Brutal. Unrelenting turned out to be much cooler than it sounds like because it negates any distance survs would get from DH and just in a couple more seconds I'm in a range to hit again. Now that I got Surge, it means I won't be kicking gens as often, so I'm considering ditching Brutal.

Publicado originalmente por Living Dead Girl:

How would you feel about Brutal Strength + Save the Best for Last + Fire Up and either Agitator or Bamboozle? If you're looking to M1 with perks that give you moment to moment improvements.

Don't have any of them. Bamboozle sounds nice, but I don't have it. Fire Up sounds terrible because it's tied to gen pop, so for the first half of the game it does nothing meaningful, while in the second half does the same thing BS does unconditionally through the whole round with only bonus to it being faster vault speed. Agitation also sounds useless - carrying survivors is something I can do at my own pace just fine, I suppose it saves a little time, but it doesn't even counter DS or prevent you from dropping survs from flashlight saves. It's the chases that take most time and main goal is to counter things survs use most to keep you off their ass - loops and palettes.

[SoloQ]

Brutal isn't even a full second off the animation, it's only .33 seconds off.
And with Unrelenting your best bet is to get used to baiting or waiting out the DH.

[Juular]

Sure, unrelenting is obsolete when you don't miss your hits, but it's very good if you do that a lot. Maybe someday I'll be a Chad top MMR killer who never misses, but as of now it lets me catch and hit survs in scenarios where I would otherwise lose the chase and wasted my time.

[Shaman]

Brutal strengh lets you kick pallets a bit faster. Gen perks give you time to kick every pallet on the map. Its not a bad perk but compared to "the build" its nothing in comperable

[Juular]

Publicado originalmente por Shaman:

Brutal strengh lets you kick pallets a bit faster. Gen perks give you time to kick every pallet on the map. Its not a bad perk but compared to "the build" its nothing in comperable

Sure, but the aim is for there to be less kicking and more hooking. Slowdown perks are pointless if you're being looped for 5 gens all the same, and BS directly helps avoiding exactly that, but yeah, with Surge I have less use from BS, since I don't need to go and kick the gen.

[Mr.America]

BS is a good perk for dedicated builds and for other builds that don't have a specific 4th slot. Here's a dedicated build for pig that turns the game into a mindless chase, that's surprisingly easy and nets me loads of wins:

Pig, no addons, bp offerings for chase/brutality
Brutal Strength + Enduring + Spirit Fury + Bamboozle

You do not mindgame, you do not respect pallets. You simply chase directly, through loops, through vaults and destroy every pallet that gets dropped. This very quickly depletes the map of pallets and bamboozle helps lock windows as well, making the endgame, e.g. after maybe 3-4 hooks very very easy. It has to be the pig, because her RBTs essentially give you extra time, by virtually removing at least one survivor from gens. This turns the whole game, with exception of the first chase, into a 3v1, until you run out of traps. The point is not to kill with RBTs and you do not want to tunnel or camp. You excell at chasing and breaking loops, so you want to maximise the time spent getting into fresh chases, as fresh loopers do not know what pallets their predecessors broke and which loops are still available.

Hf.

[Juular]

I do similar thing with Cenobite. Sure, the box won't kill anyone, but it does its thing endlessly and without you having to do anything + a free chase start if you teleport or, if they ignored it, chain hunt pesters all of them, not just one, and keeps at it until they find the box. Also I find possessed chains more useful and dependable than clanky af crouch+ambush.

[Spud the Spud]

Publicado originalmente por Juular:

Don't have any of them.

It's probably about time that you looked good and hard at the various perks that you'd like to have or need, and at what killers have them, and make some plans to get them. You don't have to like or play those killers beyond unlocking the specific skills for the bloodweb. Sounds like you have the basics, now you need options.