More killers leaving the game, big surprise

[WineoftheVeins]

Good job devs. It's no wonder though, who the ♥♥♥♥ wants to be the punching bag and deal with stress in a game? Killer makes one tiny mistake, he loses the game. Survivor, you're gucci, all these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second chance perks, advantages etc. The queue times are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous for survivor, and the matchmaking is so awful it's laughable. I was in a group the other night, all purples and one green rank. Took us 4 mins ish to find a game, matchmaking probably gave up because there aren't enough killers in the game (big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ surprise) and paired us with a rank 1 killer. This happened 3 times in a row last night. Anyone else see a problem here? A game where playing the "all powerful killer" should be fun and everyone SHOULD be queuing up as killer, but they don't. Everyone knows this game is laughably survivor sided to the point where even if the killer plays 100% optimally, he's going to lose the game vs good survivors EVERY SINGLE TIME. Streamers and other minds on the web have given wonderful ideas to help change DBD for the better, but they don't listen. They have a team full of rank 18 survivor mains on the dev team who balance the game around that and ruin it for the rest of us. A killer should not be able to be ran for minutes on end for the chance at ONE hook, meanwhile the other 3 are smashing out gens. Running around the same broken ass loops, pulling down each of the 75 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pallets in each map, wasting as much time as humanly possible so that the killer loses the game by default.
Take notes from any other video game. You can't just hop in as a green ass newb and be a God at it. It takes hours, prac, determination etc. DBD balances the game around new players who cry about killers being OP, which is so far from the truth it's not even funny when you reach red ranks (I have been rank 1 killer and survivor for many seasons throughout the life of the game, so I know).
It's just frustrating is all, so many of us want this game to grow, thrive and be fun for years to come. Sadly this is not the case. Devs keep hammering killers into the dirt, nerfing their perks, abilities, add-ons, you name it, to the point where you literally feel helpless vs good red rank survivors. Sad thing is, they KNOW IT. They know they are OP, can bully, tease, teabag and harass the killer all game without recourse. Killer should be feared, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke. /endrant

[idk]

The only thing I don't understand is how people supposedly get 4 stack swf every single game. I see them once every 10 games? Maybe fewer on more active days. But I doubt people actually get swf that often, especially the tryhard sweat swfs.

[Kettlebloke]

As a killer main I can honestly say that this having all the gens reset back to 0% is nuts.

I'm all for slowing the game down but having all gens revert back to 0% is brutally OP and making odd gimmics to prevent flashlight clicking and tea bagging seems odd. Honestly the whole thread just sounds like your tilted AF.

I made a thread ages ago that puts forward some changes to gameplay by adding a simple mechanic which is gathering parts for gens.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/5251727781296513931/?tscn=1611349920

As for teabagging... lots of multiplayer games have teabagging in... just learn to ignore it and not let it get to you.

[Tsulan]

Melisandre původně napsal:

Tsulan původně napsal:

Thank you!
Just killing time, while i´m waiting in the queue.

I do the same, lol! Where can I see your videos BTW?

I really have to start recording my matches. Tested it now aaaaand it recorded the last 5 minutes XD

[Frega]

Survivors have longer queue times in the evening because people want to play with friends.
We understand you got rekt as killer and needed to vent here in the forums but please don't spread misinformation and get gud maybe. Killer is easier compared to some years ago to the point that majority of games are boring against solos.
Yes it's hard going against a 4 man SFW but you can still win if you play good, and anyway a good 4 swf group is extremely rare so no point in crying here.

[Tsulan]

Frega původně napsal:

Survivors have longer queue times in the evening because people want to play with friends.
We understand you got rekt as killer and needed to vent here in the forums but please don't spread misinformation and get gud maybe. Killer is easier compared to some years ago to the point that majority of games are boring against solos.
Yes it's hard going against a 4 man SFW but you can still win if you play good, and anyway a good 4 swf group is extremely rare so no point in crying here.

You see, this is something i can´t believe. Because people also claim that SWF is just a small amout of the playerbase.

Either the amount of SWF is so huge that it has an impact on the survivor queues or it is as small as people claim, but then it shouldn´t have an impact.
Can´t be both.

[idk]

Tsulan původně napsal:

Frega původně napsal:

Survivors have longer queue times in the evening because people want to play with friends.
We understand you got rekt as killer and needed to vent here in the forums but please don't spread misinformation and get gud maybe. Killer is easier compared to some years ago to the point that majority of games are boring against solos.
Yes it's hard going against a 4 man SFW but you can still win if you play good, and anyway a good 4 swf group is extremely rare so no point in crying here.

You see, this is something i can´t believe. Because people also claim that SWF is just a small amout of the playerbase.

Either the amount of SWF is so huge that it has an impact on the survivor queues or it is as small as people claim, but then it shouldn´t have an impact.
Can´t be both.

Yes it can be. People remember their loses much more than their normal games. It's been scientifically proven (outside of dbd) someone is much more like to remember 1 awful lose than to remember winning 3 games in row. Losing doesn't feel good obviously so when people lose to the odd swf, that's all they think about. They just think about that 1 swf game and go on to imagine that there's many more of them than there actually are. There's also 100% those that just aren't good and blame swf for any mistake as a way to opt out of responsibility for their own misplay

[Frega]

Tsulan původně napsal:

Frega původně napsal:

Survivors have longer queue times in the evening because people want to play with friends.
We understand you got rekt as killer and needed to vent here in the forums but please don't spread misinformation and get gud maybe. Killer is easier compared to some years ago to the point that majority of games are boring against solos.
Yes it's hard going against a 4 man SFW but you can still win if you play good, and anyway a good 4 swf group is extremely rare so no point in crying here.

You see, this is something i can´t believe. Because people also claim that SWF is just a small amout of the playerbase.

Either the amount of SWF is so huge that it has an impact on the survivor queues or it is as small as people claim, but then it shouldn´t have an impact.
Can´t be both.

4 man swf is the rarest one, there is also duo, trio which don't impact the game that much.
About the day/evening part, i cant play killer until 14 p.m. Europe time because of long queue times.

[Samtar]

Frega původně napsal:

Tsulan původně napsal:

You see, this is something i can´t believe. Because people also claim that SWF is just a small amout of the playerbase.

Either the amount of SWF is so huge that it has an impact on the survivor queues or it is as small as people claim, but then it shouldn´t have an impact.
Can´t be both.

i cant play killer until 14 p.m. Europe time because of long queue times.

+1, I dont get Killer lobbies until later in the day. 8 am to 4 pm is just a lobby simulator while survivor lobbies are instant.

[Super Nova]

I challenge anyone playing as killer to do an experiment. Keep track of all the kills you get in each game and all of the points. Then compare that to the survivors in your games. If you think it's easier playing as survivor, that you will escape more and get more points, then go ahead and play a survivor. I dare you :)

[idk]

End The Fed původně napsal:

I challenge anyone playing as killer to do an experiment. Keep track of all the kills you get in each game and all of the points. Then compare that to the survivors in your games. If you think it's easier playing as survivor, that you will escape more and get more points, then go ahead and play a survivor. I dare you :)

That doesn't prove anything other than survivor bloodpoint gain is trash which I think most people already knew

[Tsulan]

Frega původně napsal:

Tsulan původně napsal:

You see, this is something i can´t believe. Because people also claim that SWF is just a small amout of the playerbase.

Either the amount of SWF is so huge that it has an impact on the survivor queues or it is as small as people claim, but then it shouldn´t have an impact.
Can´t be both.

4 man swf is the rarest one, there is also duo, trio which don't impact the game that much.
About the day/evening part, i cant play killer until 14 p.m. Europe time because of long queue times.

If duos and trios don´t impact the game, then they shouldn´t impact the queues.

[WineoftheVeins]

Heru Ra Ha původně napsal:

WineOfTheVeins původně napsal:

Good job devs. It's no wonder though, who the ♥♥♥♥ wants to be the punching bag and deal with stress in a game? Killer makes one tiny mistake, he loses the game. Survivor, you're gucci, all these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second chance perks, advantages etc. The queue times are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous for survivor, and the matchmaking is so awful it's laughable. I was in a group the other night, all purples and one green rank. Took us 4 mins ish to find a game, matchmaking probably gave up because there aren't enough killers in the game (big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ surprise) and paired us with a rank 1 killer. This happened 3 times in a row last night. Anyone else see a problem here? A game where playing the "all powerful killer" should be fun and everyone SHOULD be queuing up as killer, but they don't. Everyone knows this game is laughably survivor sided to the point where even if the killer plays 100% optimally, he's going to lose the game vs good survivors EVERY SINGLE TIME. Streamers and other minds on the web have given wonderful ideas to help change DBD for the better, but they don't listen. They have a team full of rank 18 survivor mains on the dev team who balance the game around that and ruin it for the rest of us. A killer should not be able to be ran for minutes on end for the chance at ONE hook, meanwhile the other 3 are smashing out gens. Running around the same broken ass loops, pulling down each of the 75 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pallets in each map, wasting as much time as humanly possible so that the killer loses the game by default.
Take notes from any other video game. You can't just hop in as a green ass newb and be a God at it. It takes hours, prac, determination etc. DBD balances the game around new players who cry about killers being OP, which is so far from the truth it's not even funny when you reach red ranks (I have been rank 1 killer and survivor for many seasons throughout the life of the game, so I know).
It's just frustrating is all, so many of us want this game to grow, thrive and be fun for years to come. Sadly this is not the case. Devs keep hammering killers into the dirt, nerfing their perks, abilities, add-ons, you name it, to the point where you literally feel helpless vs good red rank survivors. Sad thing is, they KNOW IT. They know they are OP, can bully, tease, teabag and harass the killer all game without recourse. Killer should be feared, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke. /endrant

Sorry the game got a lot better balance wise and it seems you are just biased. How long do you play killer in this game yet?

On q times, in the morning i have to wait to play killer because more people play killer. In the evening guess what I rarely play killer since I do want to play with my friends and I think I am not the only killer that will rather play with his friends instead of playing alone.

Killers are far from being hammered into the dirt, no idea what game you are playing but it is not dbd. Stop to blame game balance because of your own shortcomings.

When you are a joke as a killer, that is on you and not game devs.

How can I be biased when I play both sides in red ranks? I have been playing DBD on and off for 3ish years now.
I'll admit some things have been done to help balancing IE: Decisive Strike, OoO, etc. But look on the other side of the coin. Hex Undying, Hex Ruin, almost every killer's main abilities getting pummeled into the ground because of whiners (see: Legion, Billy, Freddy and most of the roster) It seems all the crying about shortcomings and blaming the game while being trash come from survivors which is what devs listen to, and balance around that.
As I said earlier, it's not my or any killer main's shortcomings, it is literally the ceiling of killer's skill. Survs have way more going for them even as solo Q than killers do. Killers perks are a joke compared to Survivors, I musn't even mention add-ons vs surv items.. There is only so good you can be at the game given the mechanics and what not, and you as killer are handicapped intentionally to give the survivors a more easy-peazy enjoyable experience. I am not just speaking about me, go check out some Twitch streamers who have 2-4 thousand hours into the game, and even they feel helpless in a lot of games. They will 100% admit it's unbalanced, busted and bullshyte.

Bear with me here: Dwight makes a mistake around a loop, it's fine he uses the crutch that every red rank runs Dead Hard. He gets enough distance to make it to the pallet, HOORAY! He then wastes a bunch of time there, probably forcing killer to break it. When killer breaks it, Dwight has PLENTY of time to get to the next loop, then the next one and so on. so one perk netted him at LEAST another minute worth of chase, seems fair right? Meanwhile his 3 teammates are holding M1 on gens, pumping out 2 gens while killer is trying to get 1 of his 12 hooks. Whereas if say Trapper makes a mistake, it could cost him a gen, maybe 2, maybe the whole game. I'm talking a small of a mistake as the survivor made; a bad read, a fail on a 50/50. How is that fair? Dwight messed up, uses one of his many second-chance perks, he's gucci, WORST CASE, Dwight goes down. Big whoop, killer needs to chase and down him TWO MORE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TIMES, then each of his partners. Trapper messes up, he has no recourse, he loses distance, prolongs a chase, maybe has to break chase wasting all those valuable seconds burnt chasing Dwight in the first place. Lose lose.
With the gen speeds, map sizes and all that ♥♥♥♥, killers simply don't have enough time nor choice to apply pressure AND get hooks vs good survivors.

[Tsulan]

WineOfTheVeins původně napsal:

Heru Ra Ha původně napsal:

Sorry the game got a lot better balance wise and it seems you are just biased. How long do you play killer in this game yet?

On q times, in the morning i have to wait to play killer because more people play killer. In the evening guess what I rarely play killer since I do want to play with my friends and I think I am not the only killer that will rather play with his friends instead of playing alone.

Killers are far from being hammered into the dirt, no idea what game you are playing but it is not dbd. Stop to blame game balance because of your own shortcomings.

When you are a joke as a killer, that is on you and not game devs.

How can I be biased when I play both sides in red ranks? I have been playing DBD on and off for 3ish years now.
I'll admit some things have been done to help balancing IE: Decisive Strike, OoO, etc. But look on the other side of the coin. Hex Undying, Hex Ruin, almost every killer's main abilities getting pummeled into the ground because of whiners (see: Legion, Billy, Freddy and most of the roster) It seems all the crying about shortcomings and blaming the game while being trash come from survivors which is what devs listen to, and balance around that.
As I said earlier, it's not my or any killer main's shortcomings, it is literally the ceiling of killer's skill. Survs have way more going for them even as solo Q than killers do. Killers perks are a joke compared to Survivors, I musn't even mention add-ons vs surv items.. There is only so good you can be at the game given the mechanics and what not, and you as killer are handicapped intentionally to give the survivors a more easy-peazy enjoyable experience. I am not just speaking about me, go check out some Twitch streamers who have 2-4 thousand hours into the game, and even they feel helpless in a lot of games. They will 100% admit it's unbalanced, busted and bullshyte.

Bear with me here: Dwight makes a mistake around a loop, it's fine he uses the crutch that every red rank runs Dead Hard. He gets enough distance to make it to the pallet, HOORAY! He then wastes a bunch of time there, probably forcing killer to break it. When killer breaks it, Dwight has PLENTY of time to get to the next loop, then the next one and so on. so one perk netted him at LEAST another minute worth of chase, seems fair right? Meanwhile his 3 teammates are holding M1 on gens, pumping out 2 gens while killer is trying to get 1 of his 12 hooks. Whereas if say Trapper makes a mistake, it could cost him a gen, maybe 2, maybe the whole game. I'm talking a small of a mistake as the survivor made; a bad read, a fail on a 50/50. How is that fair? Dwight messed up, uses one of his many second-chance perks, he's gucci, WORST CASE, Dwight goes down. Big whoop, killer needs to chase and down him TWO MORE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ TIMES, then each of his partners. Trapper messes up, he has no recourse, he loses distance, prolongs a chase, maybe has to break chase wasting all those valuable seconds burnt chasing Dwight in the first place. Lose lose.
With the gen speeds, map sizes and all that ♥♥♥♥, killers simply don't have enough time nor choice to apply pressure AND get hooks vs good survivors.

On top of that, whenever killers have a even remotely good perk combo, it will be nerfed into the ground after a couple of months.
The killer meta is constantly changing, because killers always have to adapt.

Meanwhile the top 6 most used survivor perks are still the same as 4 years ago.

[Super Nova]

idk původně napsal:

End The Fed původně napsal:

I challenge anyone playing as killer to do an experiment. Keep track of all the kills you get in each game and all of the points. Then compare that to the survivors in your games. If you think it's easier playing as survivor, that you will escape more and get more points, then go ahead and play a survivor. I dare you :)

That doesn't prove anything other than survivor bloodpoint gain is trash which I think most people already knew

I didn't just talk about blood points but also how many survivors a killer ends and how many times a survivor actually escapes.

[Frega]

Tsulan původně napsal:

Frega původně napsal:

4 man swf is the rarest one, there is also duo, trio which don't impact the game that much.
About the day/evening part, i cant play killer until 14 p.m. Europe time because of long queue times.

If duos and trios don´t impact the game, then they shouldn´t impact the queues.

I mean advantage/fairness compared to 4 swf