More killers leaving the game, big surprise

[WineoftheVeins]

Good job devs. It's no wonder though, who the ♥♥♥♥ wants to be the punching bag and deal with stress in a game? Killer makes one tiny mistake, he loses the game. Survivor, you're gucci, all these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ second chance perks, advantages etc. The queue times are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous for survivor, and the matchmaking is so awful it's laughable. I was in a group the other night, all purples and one green rank. Took us 4 mins ish to find a game, matchmaking probably gave up because there aren't enough killers in the game (big ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ surprise) and paired us with a rank 1 killer. This happened 3 times in a row last night. Anyone else see a problem here? A game where playing the "all powerful killer" should be fun and everyone SHOULD be queuing up as killer, but they don't. Everyone knows this game is laughably survivor sided to the point where even if the killer plays 100% optimally, he's going to lose the game vs good survivors EVERY SINGLE TIME. Streamers and other minds on the web have given wonderful ideas to help change DBD for the better, but they don't listen. They have a team full of rank 18 survivor mains on the dev team who balance the game around that and ruin it for the rest of us. A killer should not be able to be ran for minutes on end for the chance at ONE hook, meanwhile the other 3 are smashing out gens. Running around the same broken ass loops, pulling down each of the 75 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pallets in each map, wasting as much time as humanly possible so that the killer loses the game by default.
Take notes from any other video game. You can't just hop in as a green ass newb and be a God at it. It takes hours, prac, determination etc. DBD balances the game around new players who cry about killers being OP, which is so far from the truth it's not even funny when you reach red ranks (I have been rank 1 killer and survivor for many seasons throughout the life of the game, so I know).
It's just frustrating is all, so many of us want this game to grow, thrive and be fun for years to come. Sadly this is not the case. Devs keep hammering killers into the dirt, nerfing their perks, abilities, add-ons, you name it, to the point where you literally feel helpless vs good red rank survivors. Sad thing is, they KNOW IT. They know they are OP, can bully, tease, teabag and harass the killer all game without recourse. Killer should be feared, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke. /endrant

[draganoev]

Sad but true

[Killian]

Dead by Daylight more like Live by Daylight. I agree with everything you wrote it just sucks the devs do not even listen to their own people. Stop balancing the game around 20-10 and focus on 10-1 because that is the real player base.

I asked Almo the "Balance" Dev why the exit gates don't decay and his response was because too many people died... Dead is in the name of the game.

Survivor sucks cause I want more then hold m1 and press space bar at the beep, ohh and I have even shut my eyes while working on a gen several times, hear the sound prompt, and hit space bar. Successfully repairing the gen... Give me some parts to find give me something more then this stupid role that is survivor.

Least with the killers I have to learn to play them.

[Denson has a gun]

Sad but true, +1

[TreeFitty]

The last time the devs posted statistics, there was about a 60%-75% 4k rate for killers... So... maybe you're in the minority and constantly in the 25-40% of the killer games and not getting 4k's, but that might mean you're not optimizing the perk and killer combination that is best suited to your play style?

The dev's specifically say that they don't care if all killers are viable at high rank and so if you're complaining that your favorite killer and perk combo isn't that good at rank 1.... that's something that the devs have already slapped down hard. They said not every killer will be able to be viable at rank 1.

[WakkaBlitzBallChamp]

Not just killers but survivors as well. My four friends left the game recently and they were playing suvivor mode most of the time. Two main things (nothing new in general): toxic community and broken game. I am still holding on and waiting for RE chapter to try it out.

[STARM]

I mean, you can always stick to stronger perks and killers. There are gonna be games you just lose, but though mastering higher skillcap killers, learning good game sense, and using stringer builds will generally net you positive results.

So honestly just stay away from clown, trapper, and ghostface and stick with stronger killers like Nurse, huntress, and Billy.

[Привет]

True. What do the survivors have against the killers? Sprint, dead hard, adrenaline, self-care, borrowed time, strike, flashlights, key, toolbox, NEW PART (hmmm so balanced addon), anti-haemorrhagic syringe. Palletlooping, bodyblock, gen rush and DISCORD/TEAMSPEAK (yes, this gives you a huge advantage over the killers). What do the killers have against the survivors? NOED (which can be broken:))))) and hmmmmmm hmmmmm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm OH SURE MEMENTO MORI! (which will actually just lower the number of BP you get) and hmmm ok maybe iridescent head and and THAT IS ALL. This is all that is STRONG in the killers. But let's look at the game itself. The only tactic other than camping (for which, in addition to a very fair opinion in the chat from survs, you will be punished by the game itself with such balanced things in the game as FOUR BORROWED TIMES or just gen rush) this is a triangle tactic when you leave 3 generators in the shape of a triangle and walk between them like a clown in the hope of meeting someone along the way (a very exciting process). AND THAT'S ALL. If you try to play as supposedly intended by the developers, you will get a -3 generator within less than 5 minutes after the start of the game. While you chase after 1 surv, the rest will repair 2-3 generators at this time. And even if after 9999 pallets and windows you finally catch it (during this time, 3 generators have already been repaired) and hang it on a hook his friends will come running to save him with a flashlight and a CTRL spam. And you get BORROWED TIME and sprint and OH ALL THE GENERATORS ARE ALREADY REPAIRED. ADRENALIVE ACTIVATED. BYE BYE CLOWN (KILLER). Very fun game thanks devs.

[Kinn Crimson]

Yeah I agree matchmaking takes pretty long recently...
And if you find a game you have rank 15+ survivors in your team as a rank 1 lol

[SabotageTheFool]

Originally posted by TreeFitty:

The last time the devs posted statistics, there was about a 60%-75% 4k rate for killers... So... maybe you're in the minority and constantly in the 25-40% of the killer games and not getting 4k's, but that might mean you're not optimizing the perk and killer combination that is best suited to your play style?

The dev's specifically say that they don't care if all killers are viable at high rank and so if you're complaining that your favorite killer and perk combo isn't that good at rank 1.... that's something that the devs have already slapped down hard. They said not every killer will be able to be viable at rank 1.

Kill rates especially across all games are NOT a good indicator for ANY kind of balance -.-

[TreeFitty]

Originally posted by Hex: Balance:

Originally posted by TreeFitty:

The last time the devs posted statistics, there was about a 60%-75% 4k rate for killers... So... maybe you're in the minority and constantly in the 25-40% of the killer games and not getting 4k's, but that might mean you're not optimizing the perk and killer combination that is best suited to your play style?

The dev's specifically say that they don't care if all killers are viable at high rank and so if you're complaining that your favorite killer and perk combo isn't that good at rank 1.... that's something that the devs have already slapped down hard. They said not every killer will be able to be viable at rank 1.

Kill rates especially across all games are NOT a good indicator for ANY kind of balance -.-

So if you want to go to red ranks, I think last year in october they said that red ranks, 57% was the lowest and 76% was the highest so when you limit it to just red, the range is actually still pretty similar to all killers of all ranks but I believe the killers changed places as to who was getting the kills more frequently because certain killers are more viable at red ranks compared to other killers. Based on my recollection, when they released the stats at that time for the lower ranks, the kill rate went down to 40% and if memory serves me correctly.... that was the nurse for low ranks... and that's understandable because the nurse has a high skill cap with the blinks... and the highest was up to like 60%

So... I'm not really sure if your argument actually helps your position.

The higher the rank of the killer, the more consistently they slaughter survivors... the lower the rank of the killer, the more consistently the survivors survive... sounds like that's a pretty reasonable explanation of the differences in kill rates?

[glythe]

The balance for this game is simple but foolish. If you are a survivor then you are better than the killer due to game mechanics when you are at an equal skill level to the killer.

If you play SWF then you get to cheat as you get access to 10-15 perks worth of information. Therefore SWF should be a choice that gives the killer an advantage ( 4 free pre-determined perks by him) instead of an automatic improvement.

Originally posted by Hex: Balance:

Kill rates especially across all games are NOT a good indicator for ANY kind of balance -.-

This is true. I told them 4 years ago when I was on the dev discord that the stats they were using to track balance were misleading. I asked questions about stats that would help paint a better picture and they said : we don't or can't track that.

If there was any question that stats can be misleading... nurse has the lowest kill rate. She is clearly the most powerful killer and yet appears to be the weakest "on paper". Compare this to Hag who is almost in the overperforming category if you look at statistics.

Hag's kill rate nose dives in red ranks and nurse's kill rate goes through the roof. What does that tell you? Hag gets destroyed by good players and nurse is capable of destroying good players.

[Samtar]

Originally posted by glythe:

So if you want to go to red ranks, I think last year in october they said that red ranks, 57% was the lowest and 76% was the highest so when you limit it to just red, the range is actually still pretty similar to all killers of all ranks but I believe the killers changed places as to who was getting the kills more frequently because certain killers are more viable at red ranks compared to other killers. Based on my recollection, when they released the stats at that time for the lower ranks, the kill rate went down to 40% and if memory serves me correctly.... that was the nurse for low ranks... and that's understandable because the nurse has a high skill cap with the blinks... and the highest was up to like 60%

So... I'm not really sure if your argument actually helps your position.

The higher the rank of the killer, the more consistently they slaughter survivors... the lower the rank of the killer, the more consistently the survivors survive... sounds like that's a pretty reasonable explanation of the differences in kill rates?

Statistics are misleading just due to the fact that ranking up is way too easy which results in unbalanced matches. All someones rank tells you is how much they played that split, Even someone who has no idea how to run basic tiles can get to red ranks simply due to how easy it is to rank up.

Until they fix the quality of matches then I dont think statistics are worth much.

[Keyrala]

Takes forever to find a survivor game even as a solo survivor, regardless of rank. The reason is obvious.

[TreeFitty]

Originally posted by Samtar:

Statistics are misleading just due to the fact that ranking up is way too easy which results in unbalanced matches. All someones rank tells you is how much they played that split, Even someone who has no idea how to run basic tiles can get to red ranks simply due to how easy it is to rank up.

Until they fix the quality of matches then I dont think statistics are worth much.

This is kind of funny that so many people are like "red survivors are so op and powerful" and then those same people are like "red killers are so bad at this game" and then or "red survivors are stupid" and "red killers are too OP" whenever it suits them to try and dismiss evidence based arguments.

[Sir ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the Pink]

Side note: I don't know why killers think they've lost if they don't 4k.