Tunneling/camping people with pride charm is bannable

[Teabo Baggins]

Yup you read the title right. According to the devs you CAN get banned IF you specifically tunnel someone wearing a pride charm. Here's the link to their tweet
https://twitter.com/DeadByBHVR/status/1397956868761337858

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Cameo님이 먼저 게시:

Sailor Paladin님이 먼저 게시:

This is a poor communication issue.
We can interpret the tweet both ways. There are two interpretations. Both are insane.

First insane interpretation, OP's:
Tunneling people with a pride flag is bannable.

Second insane interpretation:
You will be banned if you are dumb enough to, in post-game chat, admit that you've tunneled someone because of the pride flag (no one who actually does this ♥♥♥♥ on purpose would admit to it, obviously).

It's a... it's not a good tweet.

There's nothing insane about the second interpretation, that's what BHVR is saying. They'll ban you for targetted harassment, they really do not care if you tunnel someone, they care if you're being homophobic in chat. It's a total false equivalency to say they're the same, especially when BHVR clarified what they meant like an hour ago

ding ding ding someone with basic english comprehension!

[PoisonMala]

Lemon님이 먼저 게시:

you cant prove the intent to do so unless they state there doing it for that specific reason ppl will tunnel camp just because they can

Intent is not relevant, its the action of tunneling someone then telling them the reason was the charm is harassment. It is the harassment that is the offense.

Clearly this charm was a good idea! people learn stuff! :D

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

zero님이 먼저 게시:

Lemon님이 먼저 게시:

thats not really the point but good job having a small brain

the point is pretending this is an issue when its not is laughable, unless you go out of your way to do the actions your dogwhistle imply, it will never affect you, play the game, your clown paint is leaking sir

I think you're trying to turn Lemon's OG argument into something it isn't.
It was basically "Camping and tunneling has always been fine, why should it now not be acceptable because a survivor is wearing a charm?"

That was pretty much the basis of his argument. I don't think it's fair to call him a clown given the misunderstanding has sprung by the Devs not clarifying what they meant in their twitter post sooner.

[High Heresiarch]

Saudade님이 먼저 게시:

QI님이 먼저 게시:

Not sure why you people dont get it, I guess you dont want to...

The charm is fine, tunneling is fine,
but giving people hate in chat, after tunneling them because of the charm, is clearly bannable. Just like tunneling someone with a black lives matter charm and giving them white supremacy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in chat afterwards would be clearly bannable too...

Get your ethics straight, instead of futile attempts to undermine something that is clearly just...

To be fair, justice is whatever the State tell us it is.
But I get your point.

That's Law, not Justice.

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Saudade님이 먼저 게시:

zero님이 먼저 게시:

the point is pretending this is an issue when its not is laughable, unless you go out of your way to do the actions your dogwhistle imply, it will never affect you, play the game, your clown paint is leaking sir

I think you're trying to turn Lemon's OG argument into something it isn't.
It was basically "Camping and tunneling has always been fine, why should it now not be acceptable because a survivor is wearing a charm?".

and hes already been told: its still fine, camp and tunnel away, read the rest of the thread to understand why im openly mocking the guy pretending the straights were discriminated aganist.

[Zylon]

Teabo Baggins님이 먼저 게시:

Yup you read the title right. According to the devs you CAN get banned IF you specifically tunnel someone wearing a pride charm. Here's the link to their tweet
https://twitter.com/DeadByBHVR/status/1397956868761337858

Here is a problem: How can you tell for certain if a player targeted someone BECAUSE of their " pride" badge? well? You can not. There could be a million reasons someone tunnels another player. Therefor one can never be banned for it.

The only list of official rules that mentioned tunneling is if one specificly targets the same player game after game. Since running into the same group of survivors is almost 0% likely this wont happen either.

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

High Heresiarch님이 먼저 게시:

Saudade님이 먼저 게시:

To be fair, justice is whatever the State tell us it is.
But I get your point.

That's Law, not Justice.

Justice is the administration of the law or authority in maintaining this.
Who regulates the law? The State. Therefor, the State decides what Justice is.

[glloomba]

now this right here is what a first-world-problem looks like lol people be living too convenient

[Astricozy]

There are more people complaining about homophobia here than there are ACTUAL homophobes. People just love victimising themselves and acting like this game is unsafe for them for literally no reason other than to get people to say "Awwww king/queen <3 u" and to feel like and important.

I'm LGBT and think everyone is just as toxic as everyone, whether you're gay, bi, trans or hetero. The community is just toxic as it is and pretending it's SUDDENLY homophobic overnight cos a pride charm was added just shows how insecure people are about their own sexuality.

[Sailor Paladin]

Cameo님이 먼저 게시:

Wow, you have a very detailed fantasy written out about how you'd gladly be homophobic, and that's pretty yikes.

Yup, you can do that if you want! It happens all the time for pretty much any conceivable reason. you're just another ignorable tunneling killer unless you're giving people hate for their sexuality in post game chat.

... it's basic logic.
1) In order to make other people feel bad, I need to be able to interact with them.
2) In order to interact with them, I need to not be banned.
3) There is literally a way to make them feel bad and not be banned.

[Zylon]

Stefy님이 먼저 게시:

OLD law

this is the new law: https://twitter.com/DeadByBHVR/status/1397956868761337858

As mentioned in a similar topic:

Here is a problem: How can you tell for certain if a player targeted someone BECAUSE of their "pride" badge? well? You can not. There could be a million reasons someone tunnels another player. Therefor one can never be banned for it.

The only list of official rules that mentioned tunneling is if one specificly targets the same player game after game. Since running into the same group of survivors is almost 0% likely this wont happen either.

[Rylanor the Unyielding]

Sailor Paladin님이 먼저 게시:

Cameo님이 먼저 게시:

There's nothing insane about the second interpretation, that's what BHVR is saying. They'll ban you for targetted harassment, they really do not care if you tunnel someone, they care if you're being homophobic in chat. It's a total false equivalency to say they're the same, especially when BHVR clarified what they meant like an hour ago

So, if I was a sad little ♥♥♥♥, who hated gay people. And I wanted to make their existence miserable to the best of my sorry ability (while also playing DbD for some reason), I'd do it like this: I'd tunnel them, I'd camp them. I'd make their playtime as unfun as possible. And then I'd leave without saying a single word.

And then I'd do it again, and again, and again. And you can't prove that I'm doing this because I'm homophobic. So you can't ban me.

Also, the second interpretation is downright charitable. The tweet says nothing about 'admitting' anything. I'm being extremely reasonable here.

I agree. If they won't ban for tunneling/camping then that just means all they need to do is keep their trap shut in post game chat.
If they do ban for tunneling/camping then troll SWFs can bait it by having someone in their group wear the rainbow and play toxic so the killer wants to tunnel them. Then they just mass report for "harassment"

[Cam]

Sailor Paladin님이 먼저 게시:

Cameo님이 먼저 게시:

Wow, you have a very detailed fantasy written out about how you'd gladly be homophobic, and that's pretty yikes.

Yup, you can do that if you want! It happens all the time for pretty much any conceivable reason. you're just another ignorable tunneling killer unless you're giving people hate for their sexuality in post game chat.

... it's basic logic.
1) In order to make other people feel bad, I need to be able to interact with them.
2) In order to interact with them, I need to not be banned.
3) There is literally a way to make them feel bad and not be banned.

They'll feel bad for getting tunneled or camped. Not for being targeted for their sexuality. If you have a bad match and become unhappy, that's on YOU. If you get harassed in chat for being gay, that's on the person doing it and BHVR should obviously take care of that problem.

As far as I can tell your "logic" is just you yelling about nothing, so we're done here.

[Sailor Paladin]

QI님이 먼저 게시:

uhm.. that would be harassment anyway, they could jsut ban you for it without ever getting your personal reason for it. Maybe it was just because he is your neighbour, still you would get banned if he complained...

And there you have it. The reason why people are so upset.

You are implying that the devs can just infer the reason and ban you, then? Cool.

Except it's not cool. That's not fine. That's dangerous.

[PoisonMala]

♛ Astricozy님이 먼저 게시:

There are more people complaining about homophobia here than there are ACTUAL homophobes. People just love victimising themselves and acting like this game is unsafe for them for literally no reason other than to get people to say "Awwww king/queen <3 u" and to feel like and important.

I'm LGBT and think everyone is just as toxic as everyone, whether you're gay, bi, trans or hetero. The community is just toxic as it is and pretending it's SUDDENLY homophobic overnight cos a pride charm was added just shows how insecure people are about their own sexuality.

Truth in this! Being LGBT, is that the term?, myself, I have meet my fair share of LGBT people who will be quite toxic, telling you what to do, how to behave, and whatnot...