I'm beginning to understand toxic survivors

[Athena]

I came back like a week and a half ago after more than a year hiatus from DBD. I used to play both Survivor and Killer equally. Now I mostly play survivor cause it's less stressful and the toxicity of a SWF was sometimes borderline unfun for me.

Now though... I'm beginning to get it. I used to wonder why people were toxic as survivors. But the amount of anti-fun tactics and builds that killers employ makes me, at times, feel a deep loathing for them.

Whether it's mindless tunneling. A basement trapper. Any trickster. An iridescent hatchet huntress. NOED every single game. Hillbilly with super speed. Sweatlord ghostfaces abusing bugged reveal mechanics. Silent bell wraiths. Meyers with the insta-mori. The list goes on and on and on...

Where are the good nurses? Where are the killers that outplay me that I can respect? Every loss feels due to some gimmick. It rarely feels deserved. There are exceptions ofcourse but those are far an inbetween.

Now I'm struggling with remaining untoxic but I really feel like teabagging a killer who, even though he was relying on crutch perks, still lost. I feel like clicking my flaslight. I want them to know how undeserving they are of their victory and if I could even make them feel a little bad for a few minutes that'll be enough for me. I don't care if I don't win, as long as the killer loses.

/rant

[Karnarax]

The title of this thread makes you dead to me... Sadge... Killers act toxic because the survivors was toxic in the beginning. Since they have it a lot easier then killers

[Manolo_Marshals]

Those damn killers trying to win, how dare they?

[Gh0st.exe]

I still stand by it: As long as people follow the games rules and dont cheat, there is no excuse to be toxic. I mean, the last 2 paragraphs especially just boil down to "i dont like how they play, so i want to be mean to them", dont they? With no word you say something about the Killer gloating about stuff, its just that they f.e. used Perks you dislike, therefor you want to be toxic. But wouldnt that also go both ways, so that its understandable when Killers are toxic against Survivors that use f.e. Borrowed Time?

Also, could you please clear up something for me? You mention that you want Killers that you "can respect" and that can outplay you. And at the same time, you mention that because most Killers you encountered these days arent that, you understand why people get toxic.
But why must it be one of these? This isnt an "either - or" situation where you have to be toxic because you dont think highly of a person. If you dont like a person, so be it, but why the need to go out of your way and insult them?

[Karnarax]

Originally posted by RCPD = Sad Feng:

Now though... I'm beginning to get it. I used to wonder why people were toxic as survivors. But the amount of anti-fun tactics and builds that killers employ makes me, at times, feel a deep loathing for them.

People only use this because of t-bagging SWF sweatsquads on comms. Killer begins to play nice and fair - no compliment ever given just complaining in post chat. Killer plays like a scumbag - same thing. So why would I try to play nice and fair when I will get the equal amount of toxicity in return.

Originally posted by RCPD = Sad Feng:

Whether it's mindless tunneling. A basement trapper. Any trickster. An iridescent hatchet huntress. NOED every single game. Hillbilly with super speed. Sweatlord ghostfaces abusing bugged reveal mechanics. Silent bell wraiths. Meyers with the insta-mori. The list goes on and on and on...

SWF teams can do gens in 2 minutes. All this stuff is to dispose of one/two survivors quicker to get a fair game. Iri hatchet Huntress is nerfed to the ground, Hillbilly sucks nowadays. What are you even talking about?

[CEO of Rizz]

play some killer too
you will understand why killers use noed and camp

[Lydon]

Outplaying has become so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard to do now though against swf we pretty much have to resort to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[.seals]

What antifun builds are we talking about? Most of the killer perks have counterplay and it shouldnt be a surprise that we bring good perks too. Or do you believe it's fun for the killer to play against safe pallets without any counterplay for most of them?

What rank are you playing on? It's really rare in red ranks to see a toxic killer build. Some of them start to camp if they see no way to win. The iri huntress got nerfed and I havent seen one in ages. Trapper or Billy are super rare these days. Even noed isnt that common in red ranks since there are much better perks.

[Athena]

Originally posted by Gh0st.exe:

I still stand by it: As long as people follow the games rules and dont cheat, there is no excuse to be toxic. I mean, the last 2 paragraphs especially just boil down to "i dont like how they play, so i want to be mean to them", dont they? With no word you say something about the Killer gloating about stuff, its just that they f.e. used Perks you dislike, therefor you want to be toxic. But wouldnt that also go both ways, so that its understandable when Killers are toxic against Survivors that use f.e. Borrowed Time?

Yes it boils down to that. And yes, it does go both ways. I have played killer as well as I stated above and I got really drained by the toxic survivors that all have DS, all have BT, all have a flash light. But I understand them now. Survivors are inherently unable to fight back. If you tunnel one of their friends and they feel they want to help/save their friend. They can't. If the killer doesn't let them, they can't do anything about it. Bodyblocking and BT only goes so far.

Originally posted by Gh0st.exe:

Also, could you please clear up something for me? You mention that you want Killers that you "can respect" and that can outplay you. And at the same time, you mention that because most Killers you encountered these days arent that, you understand why people get toxic. But why must it be one of these? This isnt an "either - or" situation where you have to be toxic because you dont think highly of a person. If you dont like a person, so be it, but why the need to go out of your way and insult them?

Because if I see something that I think is injustice it pisses me off. I know this subjective. If I see a teammate survivor with like 30 hours in DBD playing with me. (I'm a profile checker) I want to help them and make sure they escape if any of us do. But if a killer then proceeds to facecamp that guy with NOED, and I later see that the killer has 500+ hours in the game I can't help but feel angry. And that carries over into the next game. And the next. And so on. Or another example. If I want to trade hooks with someone who did far better for the team. Someone who has looped the killer for 3 gens and is now getting facecamped while the doors are powered. I want to be able to have a chance to unhook him and give him the victory he deserves. But killers build to such an extend that it's impossible for me to do any of this. Their builds and playstyles make me feel absolutely powerless to achieve what I think is the right thing. So all I got left is to be a toxic bastard and make them feel bad. It's the only weapon this game gives me as a survivor.

Originally posted by K1llerPunchl1ne:

Originally posted by RCPD = Sad Feng:

Now though... I'm beginning to get it. I used to wonder why people were toxic as survivors. But the amount of anti-fun tactics and builds that killers employ makes me, at times, feel a deep loathing for them.

People only use this because of t-bagging SWF sweatsquads on comms. Killer begins to play nice and fair - no compliment ever given just complaining in post chat. Killer plays like a scumbag - same thing. So why would I try to play nice and fair when I will get the equal amount of toxicity in return.

Chicken or the egg kind of story. I'm only saying I understand toxic survivors now.

Originally posted by K1llerPunchl1ne:

Originally posted by RCPD = Sad Feng:

Whether it's mindless tunneling. A basement trapper. Any trickster. An iridescent hatchet huntress. NOED every single game. Hillbilly with super speed. Sweatlord ghostfaces abusing bugged reveal mechanics. Silent bell wraiths. Meyers with the insta-mori. The list goes on and on and on...

SWF teams can do gens in 2 minutes. All this stuff is to dispose of one/two survivors quicker to get a fair game. Iri hatchet Huntress is nerfed to the ground, Hillbilly sucks nowadays. What are you even talking about?

I meant Leatherface. My bad. Wrong killer name. Hillbilly does suck. Leatherface with his stupid eternal chainsaw and his speed makes outplaying him nigh impossible unless the killer makes a mistake.

Originally posted by Snot:

play some killer too
you will understand why killers use noed and camp

I have and I do. I don't like it.

[Cujo]

When you're toxic, you're not just disrespecting another player. You're actively trying to communicate to them that you don't respect them as a person. When you have that intent, you're being toxic. Otherwise, you're just playing the game.

So something like t-bagging can be both toxic and not toxic, depending on your intentions. If you're trying to get the killer's attention to run them around and take pressure off your teammates, that's not very toxic. If you're t-bagging because you want to rub in how badly they are performing, that's pretty toxic.

The problem with calling anything in-game toxic or non-toxic however, is how people interpret your actions. It's very easy to misread the first case of t-bagging for the second and get angry at a person for making a tactical play, thinking that they're trying to disrespect you. This is why I try not to get mad at people for in-game actions. It's too easy to misunderstand their play and not realize they're actually distracting you from an injured meg, or a downed survivor.

Chat, however, both pre and endgame, is much more cut and dry because the person has the opportunity to speak to you directly and tell you exactly what their intentions are. There's still some ambiguity with jokes and sarcasm, but overall it's much clearer whether or not someone is disrespecting you, especially considering the game is over and they have no more motive to distract you.

So I'd say that being toxic in DBD is less about actions you take, and more about your mentality towards other players in the game.

I wouldn't consider any one side wholly to blame for toxic behavior. I think thats a cheap way to make yourself feel good and demonize the "other side."

[Fabio]

ah, the good nurses.
as if you ever saw one at purple ranks

[Hellwolf97x]

Doesn't hurt my fifis. How you play is up to you.

[StopItStepBro]

Originally posted by K1llerPunchl1ne:

The title of this thread makes you dead to me... Sadge... Killers act toxic because the survivors was toxic in the beginning. Since they have it a lot easier then killers

your name really does match your comment, hell of a punchline for such a good joke

[Pirate shaped cookie]

Killers can easily play never finish 5 gens with at least 7 different perk builds not counting add ons. It is the same thing killers complain about survivors doing.

When the game files are healthy the player base is. When it gets worse the players do too. Killer/Survivor they both get really bad when the game sucks to play. Read every other thread and see someone saying "I can do what I want RAWR the other side is playing unfair". These are the hard core players who keep playing when the game sucks. The worse it gets the more people say you know I kinda want to go to the beach....

[HydroponicSmoke]

Killers have to do any trick we know how just to try and compete with all the survivor bs. You have a million ways not to die, can finish all gens somehow within 2-3 minutes of start of game, and in my experience lately even running ruin or corrupt they somehow know exactly where my totems are at and destroy them. Decisive strike saves you, that ♥♥♥♥ where hits don't count when you get off hook, dead hard like how many crutches do survivors need? Then every game we have to deal with if survivors win the teabagging starts like this is halo 1 and were in 1999 or survivors just standing at exit waiting for me to come so they can spam gesture or their flashlight. Or talk ♥♥♥♥ at game end screen. Since there's not matchmaking within my 1st 5 games I went against rank 2's and 3 streamers. They had to of known I was new but was toxic af then on game end screen 1 of them said ♥♥♥♥ killer lmao. Like wtf even the twitch streamers in this game toxic af. For you to even make the statements you're making you definitely haven't played killer enough. playing killer 2 times doesn't count. Play 20+ games and see what happens in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM then you might understand why some killers face camp or tunnel. ♥♥♥♥ gets tiring. I literally have notepad open and write people names down who were toxic and if I ever see them again I will ignore everyone just to make sure they ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ die. I don't care what people think. They're not gonna stop and devs don't care that people are cheating using discord and running 4 mans and being toxic af so why should I care about anyones feelings.

[HydroponicSmoke]

Plus NOED is for new players so they MIGHT get a kill instead of getting full stomped by everyone running rank 1 meta perks. Once you get to purple or even green you never see noed. You can run decisive strike borrowed time dead hard and self care or adrenaline or sprint burst to save you 100 times but get mad when a killer is using a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ perk to help them not get steamrolled as bad? Irony