hex: undying

[BLOØdyMÐ]

i think undying would be better now sense you can use it with other hex perks and not just ruin

[Jackpot]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Grandmasta D:

I know how much survivors would be whining if they had to revert back to pre Bill or Shape/Laurie times.

The reason why any changes are happening at all are because of survivors whining. The devs quite obviously listen to the whining survivors more because we see more killer nerfs than anything.

Don't need borrowed time if you don't unhook infront of killer, and if they're "camping" then do gens.
Don't need DS if you can rely on your teammates not unhooking you infront of killers and taking a hit for you. Then again this is a SWF answer, if you're solo, you kinda need it.

Alternatively;
Don't need to worry about BT if you're not near the hook and if you actually go for the rescuer.
Don't need to worry about DS if you don't down the person who was unhooked instead of going for the person (likely healthy) who rescued them, god forbid you gotta chase someone.

I've never had a problem with those two perks as a killer, and I've only ever had to use them as a survivor because solo experience is god awful and they'll tunnel you because as if they want an easy game with Undying + Ruin with console players.

Początkowo opublikowane przez That guy with the Spoon:

who in their right mind would revert a game by more than 3 years?

and ds or unbreakable are not doing too much on their own, so your argument is null and void.

there was no reason for undying to reveal survivors to the killer. that's what thills job is.

It's the buff Thrill should've got but never did.

Don't see why they have to make it reveal auras when it could likely do something else if they feel a dire need for it to do something.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Dante Ironclaw:

Anyone got a link?

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/217721

[DaSh]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jackpot:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Grandmasta D:

I know how much survivors would be whining if they had to revert back to pre Bill or Shape/Laurie times.

The reason why any changes are happening at all are because of survivors whining. The devs quite obviously listen to the whining survivors more because we see more killer nerfs than anything.

Don't need DS if you can rely on your teammates not unhooking you infront of killers and taking a hit for you. Then again this is a SWF answer, if you're solo, you kinda need it.

I disagree that you need it, I've achieved rank 1 survivor multiple times without d'strike or swf.

[Jackpot]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Grandmasta D:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jackpot:

Don't need DS if you can rely on your teammates not unhooking you infront of killers and taking a hit for you. Then again this is a SWF answer, if you're solo, you kinda need it.

I disagree that you need it, I've achieved rank 1 survivor multiple times without d'strike or swf.

I suppose I shouldn't of specifically said you do need it.
But, more or less it ends up feeling like RNG because if the killer decides to tunnel and you get unlucky enough to get games where they hunt you down because easy kills and survivors unhooking you, you'll depip.

Sometimes you end up feeling like you need it because of your teammates and how the killer plays.

[mldb88]

Honestly the issue with DS is it is just too versatile. Getting tunneled off hook and need that break, DS (and what seems to be the primary intended use of the perk). Wanna work on a gen for the other 40 seconds? Just hop in a locker and let the killer nab you and DS him or wait and watch him waste his time while you’re team makes progress. Need healing? Go heal your bud and if the killer stumbles on you just get in his face, you’re probably running UB too and countering the main counterplay to DS anyway so what can the killer do but ignore you for 60 seconds. Now multiply this by 4.... DS needs deactivation conditions like recovering a health state, working on a gen for 1 second or more, not being in the killers TR for x seconds.

[DaSh]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Jackpot:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Grandmasta D:

I disagree that you need it, I've achieved rank 1 survivor multiple times without d'strike or swf.

Sometimes you end up feeling like you need it because of your teammates and how the killer plays.

Ya fair enough, I think solo survivor is pretty abysmal. I just don't like that sometimes the most toxic survivors, mostly swf are the ones that end up getting out just because of d'strike tho.

Also I think they should have just left Undying as it was but if they did have to change it, just get rid of the aura part or just make it where it's just the dull totems like they're going to do and add the tokens staying part.

I wouldn't even use Undying hardly when I play killer but I still think it's a stupid change.

[SotvānZander]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Teo:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ost.H☫SSEIN:

I am a rank 1 killer and I have dealt with enough try hards to know totems are garbage and will not last against a decent team of survivors...
But then again we both can have our own opinion.

LMAO
You dont need totems.
Rank 1 ^..^ 265h (lol lol lol) and mad about undying
How did you reach Rank 1 ? With
- Spirit, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin ?
- Huntress with Red Hatchet, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin ?
- Clown with Red Finger, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin ?

GIT GUD

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2356038121

Undying is unbalanced 100%.

PS I've stopped to play "seriously" killer but when i do it, that's a standard vs R.R. And i never use Mori, Noed, Ruin or Undying.

Imao unlike you I didn't need a crutch perk or a killer to get to rank 1, all it took was ghostface and his garbage perks for me to get to rank 1 ;).
But I don't care for a garbage perk like undying or ruin keep using if you want to.

[Fanta Fan 5555]

ruin undying was such a powerful combo that if survivors were unlucky/uncoordinated, ruin would last entire matches, I never used the combo but ruin stopping progression early on when you get a fat snowball is enough to win games.

[Teo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Ost.H☫SSEIN:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Teo:

LMAO
You dont need totems.
Rank 1 ^..^ 265h (lol lol lol) and mad about undying
How did you reach Rank 1 ? With
- Spirit, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin ?
- Huntress with Red Hatchet, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin ?
- Clown with Red Finger, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin ?

GIT GUD

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2356038121

Undying is unbalanced 100%.

PS I've stopped to play "seriously" killer but when i do it, that's a standard vs R.R. And i never use Mori, Noed, Ruin or Undying.

Imao unlike you I didn't need a crutch perk or a killer to get to rank 1, all it took was ghostface and his garbage perks for me to get to rank 1 ;).
But I don't care for a garbage perk like undying or ruin keep using if you want to.

+1 for "Honesty"
But you can type even nonsense...
Hard to believe statements made by a player rank1 with 200h .... ^..^
Yes, everyone can reach ez rank 1 but... you learn basics of the game in the first 50-100h so, ..... it's not hard to say that you had rank 1 with:
- Spirit, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin
- Huntress with Red Hatchet, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin
- Clown with Red Finger, Noed,Mori, Undying and Ruin

[Suriel]

Honestly I don't even have Undying available and Ruin I only have where it belongs: On Hag.

Against good (and well equipped perks/items wise) survivors the time for M1 killers is a wee bit short in my opinion, against beginners it is sufficient, but you are still constantly on your toes.

If in higher rank games Undying/Ruin became that "crutch", then maybe it shows the game is too easy for survivors without it. I can't really believe that all killers are crap. ;)

[Gracey Face]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Suriel:

If in higher rank games Undying/Ruin became that "crutch", then maybe it shows the game is too easy for survivors without it. I can't really believe that all killers are crap. ;)

I would be surprised if ruin+undying even really was a crutch. It likely gives you similar kinds of regression to pop. Main reason to run ruin and undying is that kicking gens is obnoxious.

[I Love Bats 🦇]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Myu:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Killer's pet⛄:

It's not that only killer perks are receiving changes..

From the developer blog...
Open handed is technically getting a buff, but nobody ever uses it.

Second wind: Buffed. Reduced the time it takes to heal. No idea how often this was used.

Fixated: Buffed. You can move faster while injured (You couldn't before) Not really used much.

Pebble: Able to activate more often. Not really used much.

But hey, Iron Maiden is also getting buffed. So uh...you killers that used iron maiden...what, like 2-3 of you, here's your buff!

Overall?

It's almost definitely survivor perk buffs all around, granted perks nobody uses.
While there was a buff to iron maiden, it's also one not many use.
And the Undying change was almost certainly a nerf.

Edit: And oh yeah the deep wound change. You know, for BT.

I was never talking about this patch. Any OP perk was getting nerfed after the ptb and def not only killer perks. You could already smell that it will be changed at some point.

[Teo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Exterminateur:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Teo:

I like those Forums. Full of people with Private Profiles. Why ? 100h in game ?

Because to don't loose instantly yoru credibility you have to hide your profil or people will see your not a red ranks while pretending it or have less than 200 hours for the most of them.

For my part it's to avoid some harassments but I can show my profil at anytime if people really needs. But last time a T guy asked me to do it it was for nothing because he sinked the thread to not admit he was wrong.

Noone is juding for hour, everyone has its own in-game performances. Some worse, some better, others have a bad day.. It's a game.
Anyway...
If i said that there's a reason. Full of people with <200h = you still dont know a lot about this game.
We have to be honest each other. You understand basics of this game in first 50-100h. You unlock the best perks of this game after a loong time. You need to know Maps, spots, it's impossible you master this game and to be a "try hard" gamer with less <200h. So, opinion of people with <200h is great anyway, but not so much important compared to other people with many many more hours that understand better pro and cos.
let's remember after that, this is a casual game

[Zaoza]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Teo:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Exterminateur:

Because to don't loose instantly yoru credibility you have to hide your profil or people will see your not a red ranks while pretending it or have less than 200 hours for the most of them.

For my part it's to avoid some harassments but I can show my profil at anytime if people really needs. But last time a T guy asked me to do it it was for nothing because he sinked the thread to not admit he was wrong.

If i said that there's a reason. Full of people with <200h = you still dont know a lot about this game.
We have to be honest each other. You understand basics of this game in first 50-100h. You unlock the best perks of this game after a loong time. You need to know Maps, spots, it's impossible you master this game and to be a "try hard" gamer with less <200h. So, opinion of people with <200h is great anyway, but not so much important compared to other people with many many more hours that understand better pro and cos.

Exactly man.
Understand a game is fast but learn how to really play and master the game needs you another 600h more.

[Teo]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Exterminateur:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Teo:

If i said that there's a reason. Full of people with <200h = you still dont know a lot about this game.
We have to be honest each other. You understand basics of this game in first 50-100h. You unlock the best perks of this game after a loong time. You need to know Maps, spots, it's impossible you master this game and to be a "try hard" gamer with less <200h. So, opinion of people with <200h is great anyway, but not so much important compared to other people with many many more hours that understand better pro and cos.

Exactly man.
Understand a game is fast but learn how to really play and master the game needs you another 600h more.

Going back to what I said before so people cannot misunderstand me

Not juding opinions. Everyone has an opinion and it must be respected 100%. But a person 200h who tells me he can't play without undying after the nerf (well done, never used undying and i will never use it, it was too much unbalanced in my opinion) well .... this statement leaves the time it finds ... Expecially now that maps have been modified (nerf), you have less loops, less pallets and people keep crying about it? meeeeeehhhh

[Gracey Face]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Teo:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Exterminateur:

Exactly man.
Understand a game is fast but learn how to really play and master the game needs you another 600h more.

Going back to what I said before so people cannot misunderstand me

Not juding opinions. Everyone has an opinion and it must be respected 100%. But a person 200h who tells me he can't play without undying after the nerf (well done, never used undying and i will never use it, it was too much unbalanced in my opinion) well .... this statement leaves the time it finds ... Expecially now that maps have been modified (nerf), you have less loops, less pallets and people keep crying about it? meeeeeehhhh

You've played 60 hours of DBD in the last fortnight and are only rank 5 and rank 8. I mean I hate to be the guy ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on hours and such but since you yourself are doing it these are kind of bad. You can go from rank 20 to rank 5 as killer in a single afternoon without playing too seriously.


Looking at your achievements, you also unlocked all of the rank achievements at almost the same time, including unlocking the rank 5 and rank 1 killer achievement at EXACTLY the same time.

Which is kind of suspect. Looks like SAM.