Mori after 2nd hook would make them useless 100%

[WK er v1]

many say that mori should get a nerf and many as solution just give 'easy' idea
"just make them only usable after 2nd hook"

and this would make them 100% useless, here is why:
"after 2nd hook" idea is rly bad because sometimes hook would be better than mori because of time. Imagine downing someone on rotten fields in schack (near basment), they had 2nd hook and now they are killable with mori and acually if you think about time, mori would take more time for you than carrying that survivor to basment and killing him/her. And "after 1st hook" rule is entire point of mori, to save time.

remember that killer using a mori might give you more chance to get hatch than killer killing on hook, because time is almost the same (if you are only counting animation) but killer is stuck

mori already tells 'f you' to your perks, no BBQ na pop, no TT, no BW, n nothing hook/pick up related.

hooks give you more points than mori.

And remember that in nearest update survivor get buff to Mori nemesis- keys/hatch. if you don't know what I'm talking about: 2 brown (3k) offerings, 1 increaes chance for hatch to spwan in schack and 2nd increases chance for it to spawn in main building. well yes killers also can use it and close it but no matter what survivors will benefit from it. and if you get 4 man SWF that will just take key, that offering and some map offering and some genrush tools (toolbox or perks) and you can already call it a lost game if you don't have franklin or something like that.

In the end I just want to tell that in this war I'm nethier on killer or survivor side.
I just wanted to point out that. And I can also say that keys working only for guy who has it is also bad idea because "escape 4 survivors with hatch achivment" would be more impossible than now

[kek7r]

Yes I agree but it should work like you have to hook 4 other survivors and you can use mori on everyone

[Licurici]

are you okay mate? what the hell are you talking about? mori get nerfed?

[Radio Star]

"Nerf Mori because *insert reason here*."

What it amounts to is survivors complaining about the killer being able to take them out fast. I especially see this from SwFs, as it prevents a lot of their crutch perks from going off. Hell, most of the time i've seen killers use Mori is on Dead on Hook.

The usual response is that it promotes tunneling. But considering most sweaty killer mains tunnel anyway, nerfing Mori isn't going to prevent that. But, as usual, the survivor rule book. A survivor can use anything, the killer isn't supposed to do anything to give them any sort of advantage. We'll put it in the same box as 'Noed needs to get nerfed', 'lol, who plays nurse. So sweaty!', and so on.

[Mewsha]

Ew people defending moris.

That's like when you see survivor mains call DS an anti-tunneling perk that should never be nerfed.

EDIT: Your analysis is so flawed too.

People using a mori often don't give hatch. They know that offering is toxic. What isn't toxic about giving a survivor almost no chance to do anything in that match? It's almost a certain depip for them, and unlike in a traditional game with hooks, the killer doesn't get punished for applying that much pressure to one person. They sacrifice nothing, which is why it's called an easy kill. It's an asymetrical horror game.

Everyone else probably won't get as much points either because they know that they only have one hook.

Mori doesn't tell you anything about perks. Absolutely nothing. That logic is so flawed. Mori users often do have BBQ and Pop. What game are you playing?

Your defense for ebony mori doesn't even make sense.

[Ozone]

Would it be so bad that it wouldn't be useful lol. All survivor offerings are useless and dont hand them free wins like the ebony currently does. An offering shouldn't skew the match so hard in one side's favor to the point that it's an easy win

[Kaldrak]

Yes because no Pyramid Head ever manages to get the great knife chop off on a survivor on their third hook...

wait....

[dmeister]

I think Yellow Mori is useless currently, Green is fine and Red is overpowered. My suggestion is:

Yellow Mori - Lets you kill any survivor that's been hooked twice. Better than the current version but not as powerful as Green

Green Mori - Lets you kill one survivor that you've hooked once (same as the current version)

Red Mori - Both of the above. Lets you kill one survivor that you've hooked once and any surivor that you've hooked twice. Better than Green but not as powerful as the current version and it still lets you use it multiple times.

[Radio Star]

Mori is the most powerful offering to be sure. Compared to spawning more chests, spawning close, or spawning far away from the killer... luck offerings are hot garbage, unless you're farming chests for some reason. But it is far from the most overpowered aspect of DbD

And that would be SwF. The ability to communicate, having a build specific to group, and having dedicated individuals to do things can effectively outplay a killer almost every time.

Even with a Mori, a dedicated SwF group might give... what, two, maybe three hooks if they're any good?

[☩FREDDY96☩]

Ohhh the nice killers that use moris to give more chances to survivors, missed them

[FericJaggar]

I would trade moris anytime for a tweak on generators or at least new objectives. So the game is not over in 5 minutes, like when you are moried or genrushed.

[Radio Star]

Originalmente postado por FericJaggar:

I would trade moris anytime for a tweak on generators or at least new objectives. So the game is not over in 5 minutes, like when you are moried or genrushed.

Fair enough. I think different game modes or objectives would be nice.

[TheNasky]

mori at second hook still denies DS. it won't be as strong, but definitely not useless

[NickHiro]

Originalmente postado por Rank 1 MasterTunnel:

mori at second hook still denies DS. it won't be as strong, but definitely not useless

but yeah how often does that happen? not that often im sure. the red mori should have that change:

if everyone gots hooked the killer can is allowed to mori. so the killer dont need to tunnel, dont need to camp or slug. wouldnt that be fair? and that comes from a guy that plays more killer than survivor

[Dumblenutz!]

Both Keys and Moris should be either removed or reworked so they're not cancerous to go against, and that will forever be my stance.

Games are meant to be at least marginally fun for anyone and both of those make having it hard for one of the sides.

[Aeven]

My idea for the ebony mori would be that every survivor has to be hooked at least once until you can mori everyone after they are downed. This makes it so you cannot simply tunnel one guy and mori them immediately. The ebony mori would still be strong since you save 8 full hooks but it takes a while until you can actually use it. Also the change would discourage tunneling and camping.