Why Leatherface needs to be Reworked.

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Now, it is for the most part widely agreed upon by most players (especially at higher ranks) that the best killers are Nurse, Hillbilly, and right underneath them Huntress. Not everyone thinks this or this specific order but they're the most cited ones. Leatherface is never really considered up to their level. But you know what the top killers have in common with each other? They require a fair bit of practice and skill to actually be efficient with them.

For most people, Nurse is not a killer that you can not just pick up and be one of those godly Nurses that you see around sometimes, which is why there's also a lot of “bad” Nurses. You need to learn the mechanics and functionality of blink, how to handle your slow movement speed, and the proper way to keep the map under control while being able to notice jukes and tactics against your blink. She is a killer with a high skill ceiling but rewards that dedication well.

Hillbilly also takes practice. His chainsaw is not as easy to control as it may seem when you are against him. You have to learn how it moves, how to control it, and learn to predict where survivors are going if you want to try to hit them with it. Again, takes practice and knowledge but rewards it.

Huntress is simply that you need to learn the arcs of the hatchets, how long to charge them, and how to properly aim with them and predict where killers are going to be.

And even underneath these top three killers most of the others also require some sort of practice or know-how. You need to learn when to stalk and when to chase as Michael, as well as how to sneak up on survivors. You need to learn the best spots for Trapper's traps and how to conceal them. Etc etc. And outside of specific survivor skills almost all killers require you learn how to play in general, how not to miss your swings, how to manage multiple targets, a balance between checking hooks and generators, other base skills like that.

I say almost all killers because Leatherface is exempt from more or less everything I have mentioned up until this point.

Leatherface has the lowest skill requirement and you don't really need to think at all when playing as him. You don't need to think about what actions to make or strategize while playing as him like you need to do with other killers. In addition to this, you are exempt from a lot of fundamentals for every other killer. This is all because of his current kit and his chainsaw.

His chainsaw, which is a one-hit down, maintains full or near full normal mobility and turning, so as long as you are close to your target you do not need to think about when to start using the chainsaw like you do with Hillbilly, who cannot fully control it and is forced into a dash if he misses. Not only that, but he gets multiple swings out of it one after another regardless of whether or not he misses, so you no longer have to worry about something every other killer has to worry about. The multiple swings has a more far-reaching impact than that as well, because this allows him to down multiple survivors at once and camp places like the basement with no one being able to get away, something no other killer can do. This also renders commonly used tactics like taking hits for others or getting people off the hook with the killer around (for let's say BT or to get to an exit) impossible while these tactics work on basically every other killer. Leatherface does not need to worry about a lot of tactics other killers do, which lowers the skill requirement for him even more.

As a sidenote the way the chainsaw works promotes facecamping, which every LF I have fought has done so on the first hook.

Now let's look at the perks he gets right off the bat. BBQ and Chili is considered to be one of the best killer perks in the game, one that people still complain about, and he comes with it. It's also very powerful on him because it lets him find killers quickly and one-down them early. Franklin's Demise is another very powerful perk and it negates White Wards, while also stripping the survivors of their items which puts them at a larger disadvantage. So not only is his ability very easy to use and comes with many benefits, but he also has some of the best perks in the game without needing to be taught them.

The commonly cited downside to him is that he's slow when using his chainsaw. The thing is, he has add-ons that near completely negate this downside, so you're still not gonna win chases with him especially when he can deal with pallets faster. People argue you can make him hit objects, but because he maintains full turning control it's a lot easier to avoid that than it is with Hillbilly. His only downside is easily erased by perks and add-ons.

People also like to mention pallet looping but that's something that works against anyone who isn't Nurse or Huntress, that's not something specific to him so it's not something that makes him worse than the average. Not to mention because of the chainsaw he has an easier time with than other killers.

So in conclusion, Leatherface needs a rework because regardless of tiers he is the most skill-less killer, requires the least amount of thought, is not punished by things like missing and other mechanics that other killers are, is immune to a lot of tactics and strategies, and promotes facecamping. His chainsaw needs to be reworked, possibly with less turning, and he needs less potent movement speed add-ons. Leatherface is no where near as weak as people make him out to be.

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Originally posted by Bowler Hat c):-):

Hey, I play as Leather face...and I can hook 3 in the basement before the 1st generator is done, and they'll all escape.

I am on the opposite side of what you've encountered (no perks either)

You can literally just stand at the stairs and down all of them at once. I've seen this happen before to my teammates and my rank isn't low, if they hide in the lockers you just wait for them to come out or check but but if a Leatherface basement camps no one can get out, period, and he's the only killer that can claim that.

Also funny how you say you've hooked 3 before the 1st gen, something most killers can't do

[Yam]

Didn't they just slow him down well charging his chainsaw + he loses bloodlust for it. So... I mean you gotta plan a bit more- let alone all killers do require some skill. I see some really dumb people playing leatherfaces and hitting walls alot. It takes some practice to know how to manuvor tight places- esspically with chilli.

[ASpazNamedSteve :]]

smh

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Originally posted by Michael Audrey Myers:

Didn't they just slow him down well charging his chainsaw + he loses bloodlust for it. So... I mean you gotta plan a bit more- let alone all killers do require some skill. I see some really dumb people playing leatherfaces and hitting walls alot. It takes some practice to know how to manuvor tight places- esspically with chilli.

You don't need to learn to maneuver because he maneuvers normally while using the chainsaw.

[baerra]

He's the Master Yi of DBD. Against scrubs he's a total powerhouse, but at higher ranks, he's a total dumpster. You'll be asking yourself "Why don't I just get LF one useful perk, and then play Billy?" People at lower ranks don't ask that question because using Billy's chainsaw is too difficult for them, but he has more range than LF does and one-shots. Lol.

If LF is that close to you, you've already failed in your chase. Learn to keep distance.

[Perks]

Hey long story short, you cant stand point blank juking LF like you are some kinda mlg no scope juke pro.

LF's greatest sin is that you have to respect how dangerous he is up close. That's also Doc's problem, you can't just BM a doc or LF and expect to get away with it.

I run from him, loop him, do my best to pallette him and avoid him like the plague. I weight heavily the risk before walking into a blinde alley with one way in or out if he's around, for a save.

The killer's who are most hated right now..seems to be the ones you can just run in circles in front of waiting for their swing timer and then juking it.

If the greatest problem a person faces as a survivor in this game is they cant just teabag/bm you then there isnt anything wrong with that killer.

Treating other people like garbage because you think its your "priveledge" in a video game makes you a piece of human waste.

Most killers have mechanics that are easily trolled. LF doesn't and that doesn't make him bad or not good or unskilled. It means you have to show the killer some RESPECT for the role they are playing.
Do gens, behave stealthy and don't bum rush him at a hook. You're gonna be fine.

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Originally posted by Snailspace:

Hey long story short, you cant stand point blank juking LF like you are some kinda mlg no scope juke pro.

LF's greatest sin is that you have to respect how dangerous he is up close. That's also Doc's problem, you can't just BM a doc or LF and expect to get away with it.

I run from him, loop him, do my best to pallette him and avoid him like the plague. I weight heavily the risk before walking into a blinde alley with one way in or out if he's around, for a save.

The killer's who are most hated right now..seems to be the ones you can just run in circles in front of waiting for their swing timer and then juking it.

If the greatest problem a person faces as a survivor in this game is they cant just teabag/bm you then there isnt anything wrong with that killer.

Treating other people like garbage because you think its your "priveledge" in a video game makes you a piece of human waste.

Most killers have mechanics that are easily trolled. LF doesn't and that doesn't make him bad or not good or unskilled. It means you have to show the killer some RESPECT for the role they are playing.
Do gens, behave stealthy and don't bum rush him at a hook. You're gonna be fine.

You have a weird perception of BM and you're trying to deflect all points or criticisms with "muh priviledge bms" when what you're saying makes no sense with what actually goes on.

Juking isn't BMs for one, and the entire point is he's the only killer where you can't do a lot of tactics on because of his fundamental design flaws

Also stealthing LF is gambling because BBQ and Chili so that's not reliable

[bywoggy]

Are we still trying to push the LF is op
bs .
Can't wait till freddy comes out then the cry babies attention will switch to him.
LF is bottom tier . Can be good in the right hands , but then so can the wraith.
He needs buffing to make him viable .
People paid for this killer and quite honestly I feel a little bit cheated .
Buff him devs , you owe the paying community that .

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Originally posted by bywoggy:

Are we still trying to push the LF is op
bs .
Can't wait till freddy comes out then the cry babies attention will switch to him.
LF is bottom tier . Can be good in the right hands , but then so can the wraith.
He needs buffing to make him viable .
People paid for this killer and quite honestly I feel a little bit cheated .
Buff him devs , you owe the paying community that .

If Leatherface is still too hard for you to play then maybe killer isn't your thing. He's very easy to play.

[paganSK]

Leatherface is good as he is.
I playing him alot. check YT videos how to evade LF.

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Originally posted by TheWolf:

Lol all that wall of text just to say " I'm bad pls nerf " hahaha git gud.

Quality rebuttal Alan

[ASpazNamedSteve :]]

To answer your earlier point about how he can down everyone in the basement, yes that is technically true. This means if you're against a Leatherface, then you have to be actively thinking that basement saves are at their most dangerous. Don't rush in there with another guy, all come up the stairs at the same time and then ask 'wow why did we all go down? Leatherface OP'.

[Perks]

Yeah I hate to break this too you, so is trapper. He is very easy to play mechanically. So is doctor..mechanically.
Not every killer who has a high skill ceiling is good either.
Huntress is alot more investment of time and alot easier to screw over hatchet landing wise then billy/nurse.

Yet requires as much time. LF doesn't require a ton of time to learn the ins and outs of and hes also middle of the road killer wise..because he cant do beans about good stealthers and good gen rushers.

He can do something about BM plays and hook rush plays.
If anything he's fine as as, and the reality is the game is just overly simplistic the further up the survivor ranks you go.

Aswell deflecting an argument would be calling out he doesn't have neglectable perks. Thats his tradeoff for skill, his perk is meant to get him "away" from his strength with is running defense basically.

Im not deflecting, Im saying he's fine, and he doesn't need to be a high skill ceiling killer because he isnt a top tier one.

Also his saw is patheticlaly easy to dodge unless you are running out in the open, but connecting to hatchets in the open is easy too, aswel as a dash or blink.

LF is fine, and personally his skill isn't an issue seeing as what hes doing with his chainsaw amounts to ZERO most games.
Ive literally had hammer only LF games, because everyone ran around objects, windows and obstacles that were to big to cut closely to for his saw..and he knew it.

Lf is fine..if anything hes middle of the road but having a high skill character that doesnt pay off is like playing wraith. Why? Why bother, outside for kicks and perks.

[Versatile Gay]

He's pretty much training wheels for killers lol and with his perks equipped RIP GG lol

[bywoggy]

Originally posted by Bard:

Originally posted by bywoggy:

Are we still trying to push the LF is op
bs .
Can't wait till freddy comes out then the cry babies attention will switch to him.
LF is bottom tier . Can be good in the right hands , but then so can the wraith.
He needs buffing to make him viable .
People paid for this killer and quite honestly I feel a little bit cheated .
Buff him devs , you owe the paying community that .

If Leatherface is still too hard for you to play then maybe killer isn't your thing. He's very easy to play.

Never said he was hard, just weak .
I do a lot better with any other killer I play . These being trapper , Shape , Doc , huntress , and hillbilly .
LF is weak imo compared to these killers .
Don't play nurse or hag but I believe they are better too .
So where does that put LF ?
If he's too hard for you to play against then maybe survivor, aka easy mode , is not for you .