Wraith is so slow

[Cujo]

This isn't a rant thread, and I'm not asking for it to be changed, but does anyone else feel like the wraith is slow as molasses without his addons? Like, I tried the purple speed increase addon in one game, and now I can't play without it and not feel absolutely crippled. The wraith "rework" may have given him some interesting play options with the other addons, but the speed one just changes the game so much more than every other addon. It makes him feel like he used to play, with a hit and run playstyle and immense map pressure. Without it, I feel like a hag. With it, I feel like the survivors give up half the time because they always think I'm directly over their shoulders. Which I am. Because I'm sanic.

[Undead]

ive been 4king it with him for the past few hours, learn to play bro

[Ryu the Fox]

Wraith is fast

[Tzeentchling9]

It does take some getting used to after using Windstorm add-ons. Faster uncloaking is the trade off though. That feels better.

[Elder_Moloch]

Indeed, he feels a bit wrong without add-ons on average.
I assume it's due to his cloaking/uncloaking phases being slow, while his cloaked version ain't that fast as well to compesate it and fact that there are nothing else for him, which in case of good Survivors quite problematic.

[Cujo]

Originally posted by ultimate26:

ive been 4king it with him for the past few hours, learn to play bro

I'm prest 3 wraith, he was my first killer.

Like I'm saying, this is not a rant. I'm not asking for it to be changed. I don't think it's unfair. I was merely pointing something out.

[Cujo]

Originally posted by Tzeentchling9:

It does take some getting used to after using Windstorm add-ons. Faster uncloaking is the trade off though. That feels better.

Yeah I flip flop between windstorm and the faster uncloak option for my second addon, but I almost always use the speed up addon if I want to play a chill game.

[Cujo]

Originally posted by Elder_Harlequin:

Indeed, he feels a bit wrong without add-ons on average.
I assume it's due to his cloaking/uncloaking phases being slow, while his cloaked version ain't that fast as well to compesate it and fact that there are nothing else for him, which in case of good Survivors quite problematic.

The snake addons are interesting, and sometimes I throw on a meme pallet breaking perk set with BS, spirit fury, ect. to wreck the maps of pallets in 2 minutes flat, and I've never said no to a good windstorm. It's the difference between him with and without addons seems so much larger than other killers, ya know. Like speeding up trappers traps is nice, but it doesn't feel as urgent as not being able to move as fast.

Personally, I played the crap out of old wraith, and I never understood people's complaints. The rework wasn't bad, more just like...why?

[Elder_Moloch]

Originally posted by Cujo:

I'm not asking for it to be changed.

I would actually argue for buffing Wraith. I'm not sure that anyone consider Wraith as top-tier Killer.
Imo:
- either his cloaked/uncloaked phases should not slow down (at least that much) or take way less time on default
- either his cloaked speed should be a bit faster
- either he should be less distinguishable, when cloaked and moving

Originally posted by Cujo:

Like speeding up trappers traps is nice, but it doesn't feel as urgent as not being able to move as fast.

Well, issue with Trapper without add-ons is that his traps take a lot of time to set, but most important that, if you don't have Bag add-on you start with 1 Trap/1 Slot and 5 traps scattered across the map, which in case of big maps or maps with complex environment extremely painful. So I would actually say that Trapper is even more add-on dependant (even without taking sabo into account), than Wraith, because Wraith has his ability fully active from start and don't need to scout map to make spider's nest.
At the same time, I think that well placed and prepared areas with default Trapper put way more pressure, compared to default Wraith on average, so if you chose proper area and play right around it, you may get more benifits from it, compared to faster running Wraith with quasi-invisibility.

[Ark]

Thts the think lol killers with addon get op and when its gone its frustrating, imagin leatherface with no charge addons. Helpless fatty.

[Elder_Moloch]

Originally posted by XIØN:

Thts the think lol killers with addon get op and when its gone its frustrating, imagin leatherface with no charge addons. Helpless fatty.

The thing is some Killers are weak on default and as result too add-on/meta perk dependant, while only few are not (like Nurse/Hillbilly).

Even those who are not too dependant on add-ons/meta perks and strong/somehow strong with their default potential, which usually includes good starting perks (like Spirit/Hag and Huntress as somehow exception in terms of perks, bur with great ranged potential), still feel actually strong only with some meta perks/add-ons. Which is quite debatable from balance perspective.

Same Wraith, Trapper, Leatherface are good examples of being on a weaker side on default and being too counterable, when they don't have proper equipment (add-ons/perks) and even when they have they become somehow close to top-tier Killers default potential only when they equiped with best tools.