"Lithe: Removed the chase condition. Lithe now only triggers on rushed vaults."

[Nickeh]

Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.

[Kakihara]

Ryu the Fox の投稿を引用：

JimmyJonesII の投稿を引用：

Lithe + Dance With Me combo is super useful.

What is 3 seconds...

3 seconds is plenty when you're sprinting. Jump through a window and when the killer turns the corner you're gone with no scratch marks to follow.

Most of the time I forget I'm using Dance With Me and when the killer immediately loses me I'm like huh?

[1x1 on shack]

Finally!
I was already tired of SB, and I don't like DH and balanced landing is too situational. I'll try this new lithe as soon as the PTB starts

[Ryu the Fox]

JimmyJonesII の投稿を引用：

Ryu the Fox の投稿を引用：

What is 3 seconds...

3 seconds is plenty when you're sprinting. Jump through a window and when the killer turns the corner you're gone with no scratch marks to follow.

Most of the time I forget I'm using Dance With Me and when the killer immediately loses me I'm like huh?

You still get the fast vault notification

[Andy]

Chase triggers can be really buggy and not work a lot so I really like this as a QOL.

[Nickeh]

Pii Free の投稿を引用：

JimmyJonesII の投稿を引用：

Lithe + Dance With Me combo is super useful.

This is my standard combo since months.

Now that Lithe will trigger after every fast vault I'm kinda restricted with the use of that combo. If a Killer was about to enter my area I'd fast vault to activate Dance With Me and hide and in worst case if the Killer still finds me, I'd proceed to loop until DWM is ready again and then bring the Lithe & DWM combo.

Now I can't fast vault any window ever again because it would trigger Lithe and waste the perk.

I don't see how people think this is a good change. It once again punishes well thought-through playstyles for the sake of the unaware and imcompetent players.

Lithe was not bugged, you just had to actually get into the chase BEFORE vaulting the window. The requirement to get in a chase are: Be in the Killers FoV and run away from them within a certain distance. It was not hard to understand but people seemed to struggle with it and now they made it idiot proof but ruined actually smart playstyles.

Sometimes you purposely want to fast vault a window to bait the Killer to come to you, this will now trigger Lithe so it won't be available once the Killer gets to you.

Sorry it nerfs your combo, but don't try to insult people because of something that was legitimately broken. I personally had Lithe decide not to activate many times on me while in mid-chase with the killer directly behind me. It was broken, it needed a repair.

Couldn't you still do your play with a locker? And you can still do it while exhausted..

[Farinha de rosca]

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Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

Sprint Burst is too wasteful, Dead Hard is too finicky. It's between this and Balanced Landing for me (and I want a perk that works on all maps, not just most).

Balanced Landing works on all maps... if you know where the spots are

Shelter woods? the only place to fall is the basement stairs, it's a free hit to the killer.

[Ryu the Fox]

Farinha de rosca の投稿を引用：

Ryu the Fox の投稿を引用：

Balanced Landing works on all maps... if you know where the spots are

Shelter woods? the only place to fall is the basement stairs, it's a free hit to the killer.

The big tree exists

[Nickeh]

Pii Free の投稿を引用：

Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

Sorry it nerfs your combo, but don't try to insult people because of something that was legitimately broken. I personally had Lithe decide not to activate many times on me while in mid-chase with the killer directly behind me. It was broken, it needed a repair.

Couldn't you still do your play with a locker? And you can still do it while exhausted..

Who did I insult here? I've been running Lithe literally for several hundred hours and while it sometimes appeared to be bugged, in 99% of the cases it was just lack of understanding / awareness. I've seen it from both my own perspective as Survivor or as the Killer, people WALK to a window and fast vault it, expecting it to trigger Lithe but they don't know that in order to initiate a chase, you have to RUN from the Killer so naturally this wouldn't trigger Lithe. It was not broken, people just didn't realize how to initiate a chase.

"sometimes appeared to be bugged", then you go on to state an entirely made up number.

It is bugged, you've experienced it yourself, I've experienced it myself. Calling others dumb despite you even agreeing to it being occasionally bugged is insulting.

[Laakeri]

I would have rather seen them actually fix Lithe to work properly instead of another band aid fix, but this is better than we currently have in my opinion.

[Nickeh]

Pii Free の投稿を引用：

Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

"sometimes appeared to be bugged", then you go on to state an entirely made up number.

It is bugged, you've experienced it yourself, I've experienced it myself. Calling others dumb despite you even agreeing to it being occasionally bugged is insulting.

I'm saying most people claimed it to be broken and bugged everytime it didn't trigger despite the fact that they didn't meet the required conditions to activate it. You can replace the made up number with "most of the time" if it is of such a big impact to you, I thought people here are able to get the point without taking everything literal (in that case some made up numbers).

Lithe was not bugged, if anything it was the chase mechanic that was bugged and ONLY that. Now they changed Lithe to avoid fixing the broken chase mechanic, I don't understand how people simply don't see that? Their concept of "fixing stuff" doesn't actually include fixing it, it's all about avoiding the mechanic that causes the issue (if at all). Their inability to fix the chase mechanic that supposedly is broken is STILL broken, that's why a Legion can STILL moonwalk you to death. The only thing they did was make Lithe idiot proof but they removed a lot of mindgame potential and combos as a result. I can see that some people will like this but everyone that played with Lithe for several hundred matches will miss the flexibility of that perk.

"Their inability to fix the chase mechanic that supposedly is broken is STILL broken"... How did you simultaneously agree yet disagree that the chase mechanic is broken? That's impressive.

I use Lithe a lot too (on this account, my exes account, my best friend's ps4 account, and my own ps4 account), I find the trade-off worth it. I'm sorry you dislike it, and that's fine to dlislike it; I just took issue with you thinking broken perk = dumb players. I imagine most people understand that the chase mechanic is the problem because well, that's what this update removes from the equation. If they can fix that system then great... but this is Behavior, so most people recognize this change is the only real fix that was ever going to come.

Maybe try to get Behavior to recognize that something like "can only be activated within 20 meters of killer" would better suit more play styles?

[Izo]

Pii Free の投稿を引用：

Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

"sometimes appeared to be bugged", then you go on to state an entirely made up number.

It is bugged, you've experienced it yourself, I've experienced it myself. Calling others dumb despite you even agreeing to it being occasionally bugged is insulting.

I'm saying most people claimed it to be broken and bugged everytime it didn't trigger despite the fact that they didn't meet the required conditions to activate it. You can replace the made up number with "most of the time" if it is of such a big impact to you, I thought people here are able to get the point without taking everything literal (in that case some made up numbers).

Lithe was not bugged, if anything it was the chase mechanic that was bugged and ONLY that. Now they changed Lithe to avoid fixing the broken chase mechanic, I don't understand how people simply don't see that? Their concept of "fixing stuff" doesn't actually include fixing it, it's all about avoiding the mechanic that causes the issue (if at all). Their inability to fix the chase mechanic that supposedly is broken is STILL broken, that's why a Legion can STILL moonwalk you to death. The only thing they did was make Lithe idiot proof but they removed a lot of mindgame potential and combos as a result. I can see that some people will like this but everyone that played with Lithe for several hundred matches will miss the flexibility of that perk.

E: I said it appears to be bugged because that's what people immediately think after it didn't trigger without considering that maybe they didn't meet the conditions. A fast vault and you gotta be in a chase. There are certain requirements to perform a fast vault and there are certain requirements to get into a chase. And ultimately if it STILL appeared to be bugged, it wasn't actually Lithe that was bugged but the chase mechanic.

Dude just stop. Everyone wanted this change, and also I've been using Lithe and dance with me combo since the perk came out. I specifically wanted this change because of this combo, now I can use them at the same time easily and completely escape a chase most of the time. If you're using Lithe and Dance with me but not activating them at he same time, you're literally wasting two perk slots, If you're not not gonna properly combo them then stop using both of the perk. Dance with me is garbage without Lithe but powerful with Lithe and that's just a simple fact.

[Nickeh]

Izo Quartz の投稿を引用：

Pii Free の投稿を引用：

I'm saying most people claimed it to be broken and bugged everytime it didn't trigger despite the fact that they didn't meet the required conditions to activate it. You can replace the made up number with "most of the time" if it is of such a big impact to you, I thought people here are able to get the point without taking everything literal (in that case some made up numbers).

Lithe was not bugged, if anything it was the chase mechanic that was bugged and ONLY that. Now they changed Lithe to avoid fixing the broken chase mechanic, I don't understand how people simply don't see that? Their concept of "fixing stuff" doesn't actually include fixing it, it's all about avoiding the mechanic that causes the issue (if at all). Their inability to fix the chase mechanic that supposedly is broken is STILL broken, that's why a Legion can STILL moonwalk you to death. The only thing they did was make Lithe idiot proof but they removed a lot of mindgame potential and combos as a result. I can see that some people will like this but everyone that played with Lithe for several hundred matches will miss the flexibility of that perk.

E: I said it appears to be bugged because that's what people immediately think after it didn't trigger without considering that maybe they didn't meet the conditions. A fast vault and you gotta be in a chase. There are certain requirements to perform a fast vault and there are certain requirements to get into a chase. And ultimately if it STILL appeared to be bugged, it wasn't actually Lithe that was bugged but the chase mechanic.

Dude just stop. Everyone wanted this change, and also I've been using Lithe and dance with me combo since the perk came out. I specifically wanted this change because of this combo, now I can use them at the same time easily and completely escape a chase most of the time. If you're using Lithe and Dance with me but not activating them at he same time, you're literally wasting two perk slots, If you're not not gonna properly combo them then stop using both of the perk. Dance with me is garbage without Lithe but powerful with Lithe and that's just a simple fact.

Not to mention that now quick and quiet and Lithe will combo beautifully.

[Izo]

Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

Izo Quartz の投稿を引用：

Dude just stop. Everyone wanted this change, and also I've been using Lithe and dance with me combo since the perk came out. I specifically wanted this change because of this combo, now I can use them at the same time easily and completely escape a chase most of the time. If you're using Lithe and Dance with me but not activating them at he same time, you're literally wasting two perk slots, If you're not not gonna properly combo them then stop using both of the perk. Dance with me is garbage without Lithe but powerful with Lithe and that's just a simple fact.

Not to mention that now quick and quiet and Lithe will combo beautifully.

Yeah, I can just imagine, you hear the killer's terror radius and just fast vault a window to sprint away and it's like you were never even there

[elitkrumpleeharcos]

Ryu the Fox の投稿を引用：

Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

Sprint Burst is too wasteful, Dead Hard is too finicky. It's between this and Balanced Landing for me (and I want a perk that works on all maps, not just most).

Balanced Landing works on all maps... if you know where the spots are

Sometimes(1500 hours) as far as i saw some map didn'T even have the basic hills, etc, nothing... they were plain sometimes, that's why i don't use it.

[Nickeh]

Pii Free の投稿を引用：

Jesusaurus Hex の投稿を引用：

"Their inability to fix the chase mechanic that supposedly is broken is STILL broken"... How did you simultaneously agree yet disagree that the chase mechanic is broken? That's impressive.

I use Lithe a lot too (on this account, my exes account, my best friend's ps4 account, and my own ps4 account), I find the trade-off worth it. I'm sorry you dislike it, and that's fine to dlislike it; I just took issue with you thinking broken perk = dumb players. I imagine most people understand that the chase mechanic is the problem because well, that's what this update removes from the equation. If they can fix that system then great... but this is Behavior, so most people recognize this change is the only real fix that was ever going to come.

Maybe try to get Behavior to recognize that something like "can only be activated within 20 meters of killer" would better suit more play styles?

How is that a contradiction? The purpose of "appears to be" implies that we don't know for a fact. It's a guess, and if that guess is actually correct, it means that this Lithe change didn't change anything at all regarding the "broken chase mechanic".

So, either way it was not Lithe that was broken but IF ANYTHING, it was the chase mechanic which STILL remains broken (if it so happened to be actually broken, but we don't know that for a fact, maybe we just lack the understanding regarding the chase mechanic?).

Anyway, you yourself managed to come up with a way better solution within a matter of minutes now you can only guess how "creative" the people at BHVR are that come up with such a change. If you equip Lithe, EVERY fast vault will result in Lithe being used. You can't bait Killers with fast vaults. You CAN'T just fast vault a window when you know that the Killer is busy chasing someone.

You constantly have to slow vault now to not accidentally activate it.

I understand your issues with the change and I agree, I'd rather it be the way I said... but for what I use it for I like the change better than what it was and for the reasons discussed, as it is still way less limiting than Sprint Burst and now is reliable in activation. I'm sorry again it messes with your play-style.