Why do people say Oni is bad/weak?

[Dracos]

I know he's new, so it's way to soon to call him overpowered, but he claps. So far every Oni I've gone against has wiped pretty easily, but some people are saying he's bad or disappointing.

He's got tracking, instadowns, movement speed, base 115 going for him. How is he bad?

I want to say he's broken, he claps cheeks like no other, but that's probably because he's new and we haven't gotten used to him yet. Though when Demogorgon came out there were no problems...

[LusterBunny]

they want to avoid nerf

[LuNi]

He is literally a hillbilly. Good against avarage survivors. Gets trashed hard against good survivors.

[Mewsha]

He's not weak.

He's got a one-shot down ability and he soft counters stealth and Blendettes.

I don't think he's broken, but the reason people are disappointed is because he's compared to Hillbilly, and we all know that Hillbilly's chainsaw hitbox is almost as dumb as Huntress hatchet hitboxes, which is saying quite a lot.

I don't think he's broken either. What I think is a good indicator is that a lot of survivor mains are calling for nerfs while a lot killer mains are saying he desperately needs to be buffed.

[D0DG3R]

In my opinion he is weak, he's a Budget Hillbilly.

My reason for saying that is because you solely rely on Survivors making bad plays or mistakes to gain your power, much like Myers or Plague you require survivors to feed you power, without it you're a very very weak M1 killer.

You have an ability much like Hillbilly except you don't have it whenever you want it, hence the Budget Hillbilly name tag I've personally given him.

You claim he has tracking, I disagree with that, it's not tracking really when it's a 50/50 path you could follow, think about it this way, if you hit a survivor and they leave blood orbs, you lose sight and they leave no scratch marks because you totally lost them, sure you can follow the blood orbs but in which direction? It's 50/50 tracking and while you go collect them Orbs they may very well be healing or be working a gen wasting your time as you'd be gathering the orbs hoping they went the way you're going.

Instadowns, yeah, Myers and Hillybilly have that, but again, only while in power which you don't have constantly, the true Instadown in the game is Huntress with one of her addons.

Oni can be good, but only if people make mistakes, the build I thought of while he was in PTB was PWYF, Nemisis, Ruin, PGTW.

Due to getting a new obsession every stun you get, you will get a buff in movement speed due to PWYF and Nemisis, So you could just run forward getting stunned in loops and gain stacks of movement speed, Ruin to slow the game down just a little bit and PGTW to regress gens 25%, I think there is some good builds people are trying but I think one of the best two he can have is Nemisis and PWYF as they just work so dirty together.

But yeah, imo he's weak but with a good build he can be pretty decent, all depends on people making mistakes though.

[Dracos]

Originally posted by Baby Ghoul:

He's not weak.

He's got a one-shot down ability and he soft counters stealth and Blendettes.

I don't think he's broken, but the reason people are disappointed is because he's compared to Hillbilly, and we all know that Hillbilly's chainsaw hitbox is almost as dumb as Huntress hatchet hitboxes, which is saying quite a lot.

I don't think he's broken either. What I think is a good indicator is that a lot of survivor mains are calling for nerfs while a lot killer mains are saying he desperately needs to be buffed.

So, since he isn;t the absolute best killer to ever exist people are mad? I guess it might be a high-rank thing

[21's bitch]

Originally posted by Dracos:

Originally posted by Baby Ghoul:

He's not weak.

He's got a one-shot down ability and he soft counters stealth and Blendettes.

I don't think he's broken, but the reason people are disappointed is because he's compared to Hillbilly, and we all know that Hillbilly's chainsaw hitbox is almost as dumb as Huntress hatchet hitboxes, which is saying quite a lot.

I don't think he's broken either. What I think is a good indicator is that a lot of survivor mains are calling for nerfs while a lot killer mains are saying he desperately needs to be buffed.

So, since he isn;t the absolute best killer to ever exist people are mad? I guess it might be a high-rank thing

Multiple people answered your question, yet you highlighted one agreeing with you and ignored the others.

Guess you don't want your mind changed buddy.

[LuNi]

Only thing he really needs is that he doesn't lose his power when he picks up a survivor. That is a huge momentum loss and heavily encourages slugging which is not enjoyable for either side.

[NPC do terminal]

They're boosted.

[Mewsha]

Originally posted by Dracos:

Originally posted by Baby Ghoul:

He's not weak.

He's got a one-shot down ability and he soft counters stealth and Blendettes.

I don't think he's broken, but the reason people are disappointed is because he's compared to Hillbilly, and we all know that Hillbilly's chainsaw hitbox is almost as dumb as Huntress hatchet hitboxes, which is saying quite a lot.

I don't think he's broken either. What I think is a good indicator is that a lot of survivor mains are calling for nerfs while a lot killer mains are saying he desperately needs to be buffed.

So, since he isn;t the absolute best killer to ever exist people are mad? I guess it might be a high-rank thing

The thing about red rank is there's a higher chance of everything getting done insanely fast because people tend to team up when they come across other good survivors because solo queue is full of hatch squatters. That's why people don't usually like to use killers that have to level their ability without powerful add-ons. You don't have a lot time to waste against some teams.

Red ranks is kind of like a vicious cycle that way. A killer goes against a SWF group that is really efficient and gets smoked, so the next game they take no prisoners and give no slack, except they're now against a group of solo players who aren't communicating. Those solo players then don't want to play solo and team up with friends after a really bad experience. There really aren't many good solo players in red ranks as you can get there easily if you play Blendette.

I think it's a misconception that survivors and killers in red ranks are godlike players. Lots of times they just play the game consistently. Is he going to be the best killer against a SWF? No. Is that how we should be judging killers? I don't think so.

[Hex: UrTilted]

Originally posted by Sam:

they want to avoid nerf

^^^

[Kitty]

I mean they saying Freddy is weakest killer ingame even dev show stats he get 4k in 86% of game so yeah.

[☩FREDDY96☩]

Killer gets released
Killer mains:d tier at best
Survivors mains: op pls nerf
Rinse and repeat

[Cat Pondering At Yarn (mogging)]

Originally posted by ✪D0DG3RA ♏:

all depends on people making mistakes though.

Because killers can never catch a survivor right? Thats why red rank killers have a 75% killrate.

[21's bitch]

Originally posted by Anakin Polewalker:

Originally posted by ✪D0DG3RA ♏:

all depends on people making mistakes though.

Because killers can never catch a survivor right? Thats why red rank killers have a 75% killrate.

Because rank doesn't equal skill.

You have 400+ hours and never reached rank 10, and honestly i don't doubt you probably play better than some survivors that got red rank with like 100 hours.

The problem is actual good teams, who know how to actually play properly, these completely destroy the killer, just like a really good killer destroys your average red rank.

[Flaren89]

Originally posted by Anakin Polewalker:

Originally posted by ✪D0DG3RA ♏:

all depends on people making mistakes though.

Because killers can never catch a survivor right? Thats why red rank killers have a 75% killrate.

If you think that it can happen that killer is about to get only 1k, but then because of overaltruistic survivors that refuse to finish last gen because they "feel safe" and start bully but they end to get all hooked for a 4k man... To me, happens sometimes.