Definition of Holding a game hostage?

[PlasmaHanDoku]

So what I can understand by holding a game hsotage is when a player stalls out the game so long to the point that one opposing side can't do anything to end the game unless that one person lets him go. So in assumption permanent body blocking is a hostage. But bleeding out a whole team of survivors doesn't seem like a hostage. What exactly is your perspectives of "Hostage"?

[Totally Not Myers]

Eventually the game will end when they bleed out, thus it's not taking the game hostage. Anything that makes the game last indefinitely is considered taking the game hostage.

[miasma]

forcing someone to dc in order to exit the game

the most clear-cut example is body blocking, whether it be the killer or fellow survivors keeping a survivor from leaving

a survivor staying in the game after the gates are powered and refusing to leave for an extended period of time is also holding a game hostage. while the killer can theoretically find them and either chase them out or kill them, a single survivor who has no objectives to complete can stay hidden pretty much indefinitely, especially on larger maps

[Nikanoru]

Only the killer can hold the game hostage by bodyblocking the last survivor and not attack them

The survivor can stall the game by hiding but in terms of gameplay, he can still be found so that's that

[Alfred Kodani]

Originally posted by Giygas:

Only the killer can hold the game hostage by bodyblocking the last survivor and not attack them

The survivor can stall the game by hiding but in terms of gameplay, he can still be found so that's that

If a survior wants to hide without doing objectives, he can do so for a very long time. Especially if it's a Claudette.

I consider that to be holding the game hostage.

[Ricardo]

uninstalling the game waiting till the devs get their ♥♥♥♥ together and do proper balance instead of releasing more lame content...


THE NEW KILLER IS BLANDANT RETARDED


JERRY WHAT THE ♥♥♥♥

[Y'hate T'see It]

Originally posted by Giygas:

Only the killer can hold the game hostage by bodyblocking the last survivor and not attack them

The survivor can stall the game by hiding but in terms of gameplay, he can still be found so that's that

It's still holding the game hostage. Let's have a litlle bit of common sense here and not go crazy with the "t e c h n i c a l l y" garbage

[Nikanoru]

Originally posted by Ablutomaniac:

Originally posted by Giygas:

Only the killer can hold the game hostage by bodyblocking the last survivor and not attack them

The survivor can stall the game by hiding but in terms of gameplay, he can still be found so that's that

If a survior wants to hide without doing objectives, he can do so for a very long time. Especially if it's a Claudette.

I consider that to be holding the game hostage.

Play Doctor, run Calm (yellow) add-on, put survivor in Madness tier 2, come back and tell me how much time the match lasts
Yeah not everyone can do that but if the game gives you tools to beat it, then nothing can be done but keep playing. Also you could use Whispers (i hate Whispers but i just mention it)

There was someone at some point complaining about a Doctor doing a 3 gen strat and calling it "hostage situation" massive lol indeed

Extra Edit = since it's not clear, i didn't say it's fun to have this happens, that's all.

[Nikanoru]

Originally posted by Anomalous:

Originally posted by Giygas:

Play Doctor, run Calm (yellow) add-on, put survivoe in Madness tier 2, come back and tell me how much time the match lasts
Yeah not everyone can do that but if the game gives you tools to beat it, then nothing can be done but keep playing. Also you couk use Whispers (i hate Whispers but i just mention it)

Yeah, and survivors could save DS for the entire game in case a killer decides to be a ♥♥♥♥ and body block. The fact that 1 or 2 things in the game "could" counter something stupid isn't an argument for it being ok

So you want Doctor's (or Freddy's) tracking with the Nurse? There are 14 killers for a reason. Clown with his bottles. Doc as i said, etc
I insist, i didn't say it's fun (hell, if the hatch was open, why doesn't he leave is beyond me) but there are tools to help

But the killer NOT MOVING and blocking the last surv is 101% uncounterable, period. Laters

[Y'hate T'see It]

Originally posted by Giygas:

Originally posted by Anomalous:

Yeah, and survivors could save DS for the entire game in case a killer decides to be a ♥♥♥♥ and body block. The fact that 1 or 2 things in the game "could" counter something stupid isn't an argument for it being ok

So you want Doctor's (or Freddy's) tracking with the Nurse? There are 14 killers for a reason. Clown with his bottles. Doc as i said, etc
I insist, i didn't say it's fun (hell, if the hatch was open, why doesn't he leave is beyond me) but there are tools to help

But the killer NOT MOVING and blocking the last surv is 101% uncounterable, period. Laters

I'm confused? Where did I say every killer should have doctor level tracking ? Pretty sure I only said a survivor sticking around to troll a killer and waste time isn't excusable AT ALL. Do you really think it's reasonable to say the killer deserves it for not using specific perks on the off chance it happens to them? C'mon man. "Just play doctor". Imagine if every single issue with the game was written off by saying "just git gud with nurse" or "just SWF using claudette w/ SC, DS, DH and Adrenaline".

[Nikanoru]

And i agree in that it's inexcusable. I just say that we can't put the killer not moving and survivor trolling / scared as hell to leave / whatever reason he had in the same bag. And the Doc thing is just one example, though. You think i have fun finding someone as Leatherface in Red Forest with no Whispers?

ONE (of many) solution(s) to this is take note of the survivor's name and to plan for future matches. Just like ome would run Franklin's Demise if you see 4 guys with toolboxes, flashlights and stuff. You don't come here and cry crocodile tears saying "i got rushed by 4 purple tool boxes" but instead prepare

NOW, if you wanna play same killer and same perks 100% of the time because reasons, up to the player
But you gotta understand them drawbacks. Cheers

Edit = honest to god, HOW many times you see a surv doing this and not going to the hatch?

Edit 2 = the "infinite" hatch standoff is 10000000000 more problematic than this and i'm sure you'll agree

The hatch thing should be top 3 priority in the list of fixes

[Y'hate T'see It]

Originally posted by Giygas:

And i agree in that it's inexcusable. I just say that we can't put the killer not moving and survivor trolling / scared as hell to leave / whatever reason he had in the same bag. And the Doc thing is just one example, though. You think i have fun finding someone as Leatherface in Red Forest with no Whispers?

ONE (of many) solution(s) to this is take note of the survivor's name and to plan for future matches. Just like ome would run Franklin's Demise if you see 4 guys with toolboxes, flashlights and stuff. You don't come here and cry crocodile tears saying "i got rushed by 4 purple tool boxes" but instead prepare

NOW, if you wanna play same killer and same perks 100% of the time because reasons, up to the player
But you gotta understand them drawbacks. Cheers

Edit = honest to god, HOW many times you see a surv doing this and not going to the hatch?

Sure let me start up a spread sheet with the names of the people I face, write about how fair they play and check it before every match... again, get real.

I don't use the same killer/build every game. That said, none of them other than doctor & jumpscare myers would (realistically) be able to find someone in this scenario nor should I be expected to prepare for it.

How many times do you see a killer infinite body blocking? The point isn't how often it happens but whether or not it should be actionable.

[Moo moo, says the cow]

When you dominate the round.

[FrontlinerDelta]

Originally posted by PlasmaHanDoku:

So what I can understand by holding a game hsotage is when a player stalls out the game so long to the point that one opposing side can't do anything to end the game unless that one person lets him go. So in assumption permanent body blocking is a hostage. But bleeding out a whole team of survivors doesn't seem like a hostage. What exactly is your perspectives of "Hostage"?

Any situation where the person doing the hostage taking has no intention of ending the game or is trying to prevent the game from ending (with the goal being a ragequit from the others due to the game never ending).

3 Gen Strat, hiding to find hatch, etc are not taking the game hostage. Bodyblocking basement stairs to wait out Borrowed Time is not hostage taking. Bodyblocking basement stairs and then afking so they have no choice but to DC if they want to keep playing, that's taking the game hostage.

Slugging is not hostage taking, 3 Gen Strat but never actually killing the survivors is taking the game hostage (notice this one is pretty subtle, they have to legit not kill you even if you stand in front of them for it to really be hostage taking. If you are running off to a big safe loop, they do not have to chase you to it).

[PlasmaHanDoku]

Originally posted by FrontlinerDelta:

Originally posted by PlasmaHanDoku:

So what I can understand by holding a game hsotage is when a player stalls out the game so long to the point that one opposing side can't do anything to end the game unless that one person lets him go. So in assumption permanent body blocking is a hostage. But bleeding out a whole team of survivors doesn't seem like a hostage. What exactly is your perspectives of "Hostage"?

Any situation where the person doing the hostage taking has no intention of ending the game or is trying to prevent the game from ending (with the goal being a ragequit from the others due to the game never ending).

3 Gen Strat, hiding to find hatch, etc are not taking the game hostage. Bodyblocking basement stairs to wait out Borrowed Time is not hostage taking. Bodyblocking basement stairs and then afking so they have no choice but to DC if they want to keep playing, that's taking the game hostage.

Slugging is not hostage taking, 3 Gen Strat but never actually killing the survivors is taking the game hostage (notice this one is pretty subtle, they have to legit not kill you even if you stand in front of them for it to really be hostage taking. If you are running off to a big safe loop, they do not have to chase you to it).

But if the survivors has a chance to end the game doesn't seem to be a hostage because the game isn't in a infinite loop to be stayin in that game.

[Mert]

Anything that prevents the game from ending. Bodyblocking survivors in the basement, glitching yourself into an position where the killer is unable to kill/hit you.