Is 3-genning "taking the game hostage"?

[RAIJINRAIJINRAIJIN]

I just had a game as the Doctor, lasted over 40 mins, the survs took all the gens from the other side of the map leaving me with a gen-triangle.
I defended them until 1 D/Cd and one got the hatch.
So do you think I took the game hostage because I didn't chase them?
I personally think not, I did what any person going for a win would do, if I got into a chase I would've lost my gens, the survivors made a bad decision by taking gens from bad spots.

[idk]

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I don't see how survivors not spreading out gens isn't their fault

I'm not being held accountable for my teamates doing their own thing when I'm trying to spread them out.

One minute players wanna say It's not a team game, but group 1 or 2 survivors mistakes as a collective effort. Some people aren't on comms doing nothing but SWF matches, over here.

So you don't want the killer to punish the survivors for their ♥♥♥♥ up? Look I get it. Other people can be dumb but a killer shouldn't have to give a pass just because your teammates were idiots

[Evil Fluffy]

Nope they could have planned better.

[Kraytas]

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I'm not being held accountable for my teamates doing their own thing when I'm trying to spread them out.

One minute players wanna say It's not a team game, but group 1 or 2 survivors mistakes as a collective effort. Some people aren't on comms doing nothing but SWF matches, over here.

So you don't want the killer to punish the survivors for their ♥♥♥♥ up? Look I get it. Other people can be dumb but a killer shouldn't have to give a pass just because your teammates were idiots

I'm not implying both of those things, Killer doesn't need to hold back, and I don't expect not to be punished.

But when I get a "I don't see why such and such isn't the fault of the survivors-" I think.. What? Lol What? When did we all agree on any of those decisions? I sure didn't.

Especially when everyone and their mother is calling DBD a non team type game. Then how about stop grouping us together as such, if It isn't so? This isn't directed at you, I'm sure many other people came up with that conclusion still thinking It's not a team-based survivor game.

Irks me to no end. It just follows the stereotype that all survivors are on SWF with comms when there actually are a few players, like myself who don't use that.

[SV]

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You should at least try to down one of them because playing the game that way for 40 minutes means you weren't planning on killing anyone. Was your plan to make them dc instead of sacrificing? I watched OhTofu face a doctor who played just like you did. It also lasted for 40 minutes and in the end they were able to get that last gen with 3 survivors escaping. People actually reported that killer after the game and I think another well known streamer who was watching the stream clipped it and sent it to the devs and said "that is not okay."

I do not see an issue so long as he was trying to knock people down to "get control".

If there is only 1 generator left, spending 10 seconds picking up and hooking a survivor or spending 20-30 seconds chasing them instead of guarding your gens can be the difference between slugging and hooking all of them and killing none of them.

I do not see an issue with a killer refusing to take obvious bait trying to lead them away from their last objectives to guard. I do not see an issue with the killer attempting to ensure control of the match before committing to a period of time that would give the survivors a clear opportunity to complete their objective and escape.

When it comes to doctors and 3 gen strats, they're usually similar. Survivors would usually assume that the killer is just trying to annoy them and get them to dc, especially if a game lasts 40 minutes(I'm not just talking about op). It's good that the doctor is protecting the gens so well but what's the killer's second plan here? If chasing and hooking takes too much time, go ahead and slug. When games last that long without any progress done, all survivors wanna do is die or dc, but as you can see the killer doesn't wanna kill anyone. I agree that survivors are completely at fault for allowing the 3 last gens to be so close but the killer is the one who has the power to bring the game to an end and what I mean by that is he can either slug or he's just gonna have to down and hook a survivor while the other 3 finish the last gen. After that, just camp and don't leave the hook. Another thing is if there does end up being dc's, that killer has no right to complain about that because sometimes survivors just can't do anything in that situation so why stay? I can stand near the doctor and say "doctor please kill me and end my misery." But after only hitting me once, he'll go right back to look at the 3 gens with me standing still in that same spot wanting be the sacrifice.

[weirdkid5]

If only self care had a limited number of heals. Its almost like the Killer will never win in this situation as long as Self Care exists.

[Sebtimus]

no

[Evil Fluffy]

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So you don't want the killer to punish the survivors for their ♥♥♥♥ up? Look I get it. Other people can be dumb but a killer shouldn't have to give a pass just because your teammates were idiots

I'm not implying both of those things, Killer doesn't need to hold back, and I don't expect not to be punished.

But when I get a "I don't see why such and such isn't the fault of the survivors-" I think.. What? Lol What? When did we all agree on any of those decisions? I sure didn't.

Especially when everyone and their mother is calling DBD a non team type game. Then how about stop grouping us together as such, if It isn't so? This isn't directed at you, I'm sure many other people came up with that conclusion still thinking It's not a team-based survivor game.

Irks me to no end.

But it’s up to each player to think properly as a survivor if you don’t want to have 3 gens together if you see a gen done near you leave yours and go farther away so you can eliminate a gen from a 3 group.

You may not be a team but you are just as responsible for as others for having 3 gens in one location.

[I'M JUST HERE FOR BP]

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I do not see an issue so long as he was trying to knock people down to "get control".

If there is only 1 generator left, spending 10 seconds picking up and hooking a survivor or spending 20-30 seconds chasing them instead of guarding your gens can be the difference between slugging and hooking all of them and killing none of them.

I do not see an issue with a killer refusing to take obvious bait trying to lead them away from their last objectives to guard. I do not see an issue with the killer attempting to ensure control of the match before committing to a period of time that would give the survivors a clear opportunity to complete their objective and escape.

Survivors would usually assume that the killer is just trying to annoy them and get them to dc, especially if a game lasts 40 minutes. It's good that the doctor is protecting the gens so well but what's the killer's second plan here? If chasing and hooking takes too much time, go ahead and slug. When games last that long without any progress done, all survivors wanna do is die or dc, but as you can see the killer doesn't wanna kill anyone. I agree that survivors are completely at fault for allowing the 3 last gens to be so close but the killer is the one who has the power to bring the game to an end and what I mean by that is he can either slug or he's just gonna have to down and hook a survivor while the other 3 finish the last gen. After that, just camp and don't leave the hook. Another thing is if there does end up being dc's, that killer has no right to complain about that because sometimes survivors just can't do anything in that situation so why stay?

From the description, the killer was smacking them. He even downed one who DC'd before being hooked.

The killer was at least attacking them.

If the survivors refused to heal, they could have bled out. He was not refusing to down players.

[Budoshi]

if you dont mind long wait just to win A game.

[gemesil]

nope, it's a tactic.

"they have deja vu to counter it"

[idk]

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So you don't want the killer to punish the survivors for their ♥♥♥♥ up? Look I get it. Other people can be dumb but a killer shouldn't have to give a pass just because your teammates were idiots

I'm not implying both of those things, Killer doesn't need to hold back, and I don't expect not to be punished.

But when I get a "I don't see why such and such isn't the fault of the survivors-" I think.. What? Lol What? When did we all agree on any of those decisions? I sure didn't.

Especially when everyone and their mother is calling DBD a non team type game. Then how about stop grouping us together as such, if It isn't so? This isn't directed at you, I'm sure many other people came up with that conclusion still thinking It's not a team-based survivor game.

Irks me to no end. It just follows the stereotype that all survivors are on SWF with comms when there actually are a few players, like myself who don't use that.

I get what you're saying but ultimately it's a design flaw that shows when survivors (not you) do stupid things. Sure the killer needs to kill but he also needs to protect gens. I get not everyone is responsible on the survivors side but in the flip side the killer shouldn't be considered a hostage taker for utilizing a ♥♥♥♥ up that, more often than not, he can't influence.

[SV]

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Survivors would usually assume that the killer is just trying to annoy them and get them to dc, especially if a game lasts 40 minutes. It's good that the doctor is protecting the gens so well but what's the killer's second plan here? If chasing and hooking takes too much time, go ahead and slug. When games last that long without any progress done, all survivors wanna do is die or dc, but as you can see the killer doesn't wanna kill anyone. I agree that survivors are completely at fault for allowing the 3 last gens to be so close but the killer is the one who has the power to bring the game to an end and what I mean by that is he can either slug or he's just gonna have to down and hook a survivor while the other 3 finish the last gen. After that, just camp and don't leave the hook. Another thing is if there does end up being dc's, that killer has no right to complain about that because sometimes survivors just can't do anything in that situation so why stay?

From the description, the killer was smacking them. He even downed one who DC'd before being hooked.

The killer was at least attacking them.

If the survivors refused to heal, they could have bled out. He was not refusing to down players.

Oh okay. I think I was talking about another situation about doctors and 3 gen strats.

[Kraytas]

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I'm not implying both of those things, Killer doesn't need to hold back, and I don't expect not to be punished.

But when I get a "I don't see why such and such isn't the fault of the survivors-" I think.. What? Lol What? When did we all agree on any of those decisions? I sure didn't.

Especially when everyone and their mother is calling DBD a non team type game. Then how about stop grouping us together as such, if It isn't so? This isn't directed at you, I'm sure many other people came up with that conclusion still thinking It's not a team-based survivor game.

Irks me to no end.

But it’s up to each player to think properly as a survivor if you don’t want to have 3 gens together if you see a gen done near you leave yours and go farther away so you can eliminate a gen from a 3 group.

You may not be a team but you are just as responsible for as others for having 3 gens in one location.

....?

If I do a generator with the group. I leave that group to go to the further generator, Work on that one. And they're (As group) just blowing through each of the generators directly aside the First one we did how is tha-

Not even gonna bother.

[Varinger]

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When games last that long without any progress done, all survivors wanna do is die or dc, but as you can see the killer doesn't wanna kill anyone. I agree that survivors are completely at fault for allowing the 3 last gens to be so close but the killer is the one who has the power to bring the game to an end and what I mean by that is he can either slug or he's just gonna have to down and hook a survivor while the other 3 finish the last gen. After that, just camp and don't leave the hook. Another thing is if there does end up being dc's, that killer has no right to complain about that because sometimes survivors just can't do anything in that situation so why stay?

The survivors here clearly weren't anymore interested in throwing the game than the killer. And he did, by my reading of the first post, get two sacrifices. Possibly he was set for a third and they disconnected, or they just did on their own power without having ♥♥♥♥♥♥ caught - I didn't notice any details mentioned on that one. Whatever the case, he was biding his time as well as he could until they made mistakes - the same as a hatch standoff, as others have mentioned already.

Patience is supposed to be a virtue. Why it should merit salt when he was indeed still playing for and making progress toward sacrifices, I don't know.

[Evil Fluffy]

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But it’s up to each player to think properly as a survivor if you don’t want to have 3 gens together if you see a gen done near you leave yours and go farther away so you can eliminate a gen from a 3 group.

You may not be a team but you are just as responsible for as others for having 3 gens in one location.

....?

If I do a generator with the group. I leave that group to go to the further generator, Work on that one. And they're (As group) just blowing through each of the generators directly aside the First one we did how is tha-

Not even gonna bother.

If can’t grasp that it’s ultimately your own fault if you die or escape not the other survivors then no you shouldn’t bother speaking.