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Black_Fence 17 ENE 2018 a las 10:24
How can Jigsaw be the new killer?
I have one question. In basically all of the Saw films the idea was Jigsaw (John) didn't actually KILL anyone, they just killed themselves for not helping each other/working together. So I don't see how Jigsaw can be the new killer?
Publicado originalmente por Tea4Two:
Maybe jigsaw won't be to blame, it was us all along. The toxicity of the community weaponised into a devious trap.

They got us guys.

Game Over
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Z-MK Gaming 25 ENE 2018 a las 4:07 
Publicado originalmente por Black_Fence:
It can't be amanda any way though. "During Saw IV, Amanda's ability to pick up the much heavier Kerry's unconscious body is questioned by the FBI, leading them to believe another accomplice is helping Jigsaw." That means she wont be able to lift David on to a hook becase we all know he is fat.
ALSO she died in SAW III by gunshot by Jeff Denlon
Bloodartist (Bloqueado) 25 ENE 2018 a las 4:10 


Publicado originalmente por gary.morgan:
ALSO she died in SAW III by gunshot by Jeff Denlon

People who die, tend to end in entity realm.
Mr. Christmas 25 ENE 2018 a las 4:14 
Publicado originalmente por Black_Fence:
I have one question. In basically all of the Saw films the idea was Jigsaw (John) didn't actually KILL anyone, they just killed themselves for not helping each other/working together. So I don't see how Jigsaw can be the new killer?

Wow.

That's like someone claiming "I didn't kill them! They walked into my gunshight while I was pulling the trigger. They could have helped each other stay behind cover but they panicked instead."
Publicado originalmente por Victor Ziblis:
Publicado originalmente por Black_Fence:
I have one question. In basically all of the Saw films the idea was Jigsaw (John) didn't actually KILL anyone, they just killed themselves for not helping each other/working together. So I don't see how Jigsaw can be the new killer?

Wow.

That's like someone claiming "I didn't kill them! They walked into my gunshight while I was pulling the trigger. They could have helped each other stay behind cover but they panicked instead."
The point of Jigsaw was not to kill but punish his victims. He gave you a chance to live by suffering for a while. None of his traps were absolute lethal. All victims of his games could live. But because of selfishness or panic they mostly die.
IWoIchJeYoEgo 25 ENE 2018 a las 4:31 
I think Jigsaw deserves his own game (I mean one as Dead by Daylight and Friday the 13th)
Wereboar 25 ENE 2018 a las 4:45 
Amanda also corrupted Johns planing by making escape impossible. The main line with John was Redemption, everyone should savor his life instead of throwing it carelessy away in a lot of different ways.

Amanda is corrupted, that is the reason why the Entity would have found an easy game and new servant with her.

Johns idea focuses around an older principle that was used by a lot of cultures since antiquity, the so called trial by ordeal. Convicts had to fight for their life to prove their innocence, or their worthiness to stay alife.

Amandas principle was, wakening hope to survive while there was no escape - sounds familiar?

The reverse beartrap, was the contraption she survived, now it's her trademark to use against survivors.

So she was a good choice, but sadly I have to say, giving too much of licensed stuff, will only alienate the playerbase more and more. It's like the devs telling us, "Well, we do have a lot of good ideas, but don't know how to implement them."

Publicado originalmente por IWôIchJeYoEgo:
I think Jigsaw deserves his own game (I mean one as Dead by Daylight and Friday the 13th)

This ... I agree the character would be better put into his own game.
Última edición por Wereboar; 25 ENE 2018 a las 4:46
Grdaat 25 ENE 2018 a las 13:08 
Publicado originalmente por HotBurritoInColdRoom:
Publicado originalmente por Victor Ziblis:

Wow.

That's like someone claiming "I didn't kill them! They walked into my gunshight while I was pulling the trigger. They could have helped each other stay behind cover but they panicked instead."
The point of Jigsaw was not to kill but punish his victims. He gave you a chance to live by suffering for a while. None of his traps were absolute lethal. All victims of his games could live. But because of selfishness or panic they mostly die.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. In one of his games he impales a husband and wife, with the spikes going directly through the organs of the husband. It was quite literally impossible for the husband to survive the experience and this isn't the first/last time this has happened.
Última edición por Grdaat; 25 ENE 2018 a las 13:08
Wereboar 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:12 
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. In one of his games he impales a husband and wife, with the spikes going directly through the organs of the husband. It was quite literally impossible for the husband to survive the experience and this isn't the first/last time this has happened.

Some people are beyond redemption.

You are talking about the couple, Rex and Morgan. Rex was an abusive father and husband who made life of his wife Morgan and also probably of their kids a living hell.

She had to make the decission to safe her own life she had to sacrifice the life of a lowlife, which she did with help of Danny Rigg.
idk 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:14 
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
Publicado originalmente por HotBurritoInColdRoom:
The point of Jigsaw was not to kill but punish his victims. He gave you a chance to live by suffering for a while. None of his traps were absolute lethal. All victims of his games could live. But because of selfishness or panic they mostly die.
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. In one of his games he impales a husband and wife, with the spikes going directly through the organs of the husband. It was quite literally impossible for the husband to survive the experience and this isn't the first/last time this has happened.
Half the people in that movie including the husband deserved to die. Most of the victims are terrible people
Grdaat 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:14 
Publicado originalmente por Wereboar:
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. In one of his games he impales a husband and wife, with the spikes going directly through the organs of the husband. It was quite literally impossible for the husband to survive the experience and this isn't the first/last time this has happened.

Some people are beyond redemption.

You are talking about the couple, Rex and Morgan. Rex was an abusive father and husband who made life of his wife Morgan and also probably of their kids a living hell.

She had to make the decission to safe her own life she had to sacrifice the life of a lowlife, which she did with help of Danny Rigg.
So Jigsaw murdered him in cold blood.
Wereboar 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:24 
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
So Jigsaw murdered him in cold blood.

Well, actually, if you know about accidents.

It was Rigg and Morgan who murdered him.

Even a person with aortic dissection has today a good chance to survive, if medical help is around. 50 years ago this was deadly as taking cyanide.

So it's more a philosophical question if John killed him in cold blood, or if Rex earned himself a place in hell.

50 years in the past so called domestic abuse was quite common, and the people suffering it couldn't do much about it, because it was domestic, the police turned a blind eye upon those things. So it wasn't so uncommon that you had such things more frequently than today, where everything is turned into the light of public.

Most people wouldn't figure out nowadays that a person commiting the vilest form of domestic abuse could run free, as long as it was your own husband that comitted the crime. Or your father... for that matter.

If you ask me if Rex death was justified, I have to answer with a big yes. Why? Let's just say, there are some issues you will never forget, neither the 14 year old "daddies" girl experiencing it on her own life, nor the 6 year old boy, that had to witness such things.

Nowadays such families would be called dysfunctional famillies, in the fifties and up to the late seventies, it was as common and normal as getting a slap in the face for being an upstart, or a spoiled kid for example. Fathers had often to be called "Sir", or similiar things, depending on culture like "Herr Vater" or more casual "Herr Papa" in german.
Última edición por Wereboar; 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:56
TheMetalCorpser (Bloqueado) 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:33 
Publicado originalmente por Neugenx:
Half the people in that movie including the husband deserved to die. Most of the victims are terrible people
A lot of them were ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for sure. I felt bad for Addison and Laura. They didn't do anything too bad besides crossing some minor moral lines.
Grdaat 25 ENE 2018 a las 15:58 
Publicado originalmente por Wereboar:
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
So Jigsaw murdered him in cold blood.

Well, actually, if you know about accidents.

It was Rigg and Morgan who murdered him.

Even a person with aortic dissection has today a good chance to survive, if medical help is around. 50 years ago this was deadly as taking cyanide.

So it's more a philosophical question if John killed him in cold blood, or if Rex earned himself a place in hell.

50 years in the past so called domestic abuse was quite common, and the people suffering it couldn't do much about it, because it was domestic, the police turned a blind eye upon those things. So it wasn't so uncommon that you had such things more frequently than today, where everything is turned into the light of public.

Most people wouldn't figure out nowadays that a person commiting the vilest form of domestic abuse could run free, as long as it was your own husband that comitted the crime. Or your father... for that matter.

If you ask me if Rex death was justified, I have to answer with a big yes. Why? Let's just say, there are some issues you will never forget, neither the 14 year old "daddies" girl experiencing it on her own life, nor the 6 year old boy, that had to witness such things.

Nowadays such families would be called dysfunctional famillies, in the fifties and up to the late seventies, it was as common and normal as getting a slap in the face for being an upstart, or a spoiled kid for example. Fathers had often to be called "Sir", or similiar things, depending on culture like "Herr Vater" or more casual "Herr Papa" in german.
No, Jigsaw was the one who impaled him in a fatal way he could not possiblt survive. If I stab you with a knife it isn't your fault for not moving out of the way.
Wereboar 25 ENE 2018 a las 16:08 
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
No, Jigsaw was the one who impaled him in a fatal way he could not possiblt survive. If I stab you with a knife it isn't your fault for not moving out of the way.

As I said, he (Rex) earned this position in any imaginable way. If he only was half as bad as someone I know, he was bad enough to be a real charmer on death row anyway.

And I know some pretty bad people from my own history. Do I wish them death? Well, let's say if I do, that wish got granted a while ago - but that doesn't heal the wounds the persons have caused, probably it never will heal.

The other side, and that's why Morgan got punished too - she was submissivly dependend on Rex, she did neither herself nor her kids anything good because she was afraid of him. She gave up on life and her kids, just to appease a monster.

If you have to do with people who underwent such an ordeal, especially the "survivor" kids of such families, they put the blame on both. Often with a very logical, but sadly too simple argument.
Grdaat 25 ENE 2018 a las 17:01 
Publicado originalmente por Wereboar:
Publicado originalmente por Grdaat:
No, Jigsaw was the one who impaled him in a fatal way he could not possiblt survive. If I stab you with a knife it isn't your fault for not moving out of the way.

As I said, he (Rex) earned this position in any imaginable way. If he only was half as bad as someone I know, he was bad enough to be a real charmer on death row anyway.

And I know some pretty bad people from my own history. Do I wish them death? Well, let's say if I do, that wish got granted a while ago - but that doesn't heal the wounds the persons have caused, probably it never will heal.

The other side, and that's why Morgan got punished too - she was submissivly dependend on Rex, she did neither herself nor her kids anything good because she was afraid of him. She gave up on life and her kids, just to appease a monster.

If you have to do with people who underwent such an ordeal, especially the "survivor" kids of such families, they put the blame on both. Often with a very logical, but sadly too simple argument.
It doesn't matter if he 'earned' it in your mind or not, Jigsaw still murdered him. No matter how you look at it, he had no chance for survival whatsoever and Jigsaw was the one who impaled him in a way that his death was unavoidable.
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