Ghostface is not a fun killer to go against

[Dingazoid]

His power breaks some basic assumptions about how the game works. He can activate stealth, very frequently, especially with addons. The only way to know he's there, then, is buy looking at him. But if you look at him, he is alerted (built in Whispers, but better because directional). Breaking him out of stealth isn't a good use of time, because by then he's on you anyway (and it's fairly buggy, rarely working as advertised). Usually DBD supports multiple playstyles, even against particular killers. For example, figuring out whether and when to cleanse against Plague is a fun challenge. All I can do against Ghostface is run, but it doesn't matter because he moves the same speed while cloaked and has no cooldown. So he is not fun to versus and not fair, in a way that Bing Bong and Pig are fair because there is a tradeoff between stealth and mobility.

I would like to just start disconnecting against Ghostface because his design is full of terrible ideas, but I'd feel bad for my teammates. When I play killer, I just refuse to use him because I know I'll be ruining the match for 4 other peoples, and it won't take much skill on my part but I'll get some weird power fantasy. ("I'm such a genius, I snuck up on a running generator after clicking a button").

He should have a small stun animation when decloaking and/or reduced speed when cloaked, and his notifications that people are looking at him should be removed.

[Gh0st.exe]

Maybe i missed something, but isnt that the whole point of Ghostface? Forcing survivors to be more aware of their surroundings? And i dont really see how it is any different then dealing with Wraith (which takes a moment to decloak, but at the same time is less visible then Ghostface) or the Pig (which also has no Terrorradius while crouched AND can come at you faster with a charge). You mention that they at least have to trade a bit mobility in for it, but there are some things i dont get about that, because the Wraith is even faster while cloaked and gets a speed burst when uncloaking, and the Pig has the charge attack which also is pretty fast.
Both of them can only be countered by "noticing them in time". So how are they any different in that aspect then Ghostface?

[dumpworth]

The only problem I've ever had w/ ghost face is not being able to break him out of stealth. I think he is fun to go against as survivor.

[Anapoda]

I'm surprised he isn't played more.

[Zatchel]

Another "x killer is boring and by boring i mean i have a hard time facing it".
Yawn.

[いか]

GF can straight up peek corners which this engine wasn't made for lol..

Ghostface can and will see you through those low pass props like boxes and chairs and random scene clutter that serves as ambiance.

So yeah he definitely can collide camera wise to really ♥♥♥♥ folks over. But the devs know that. That's why they are trying to push his sale before they do something about it.

These guys listen to their marketing team too much and it shows.

[Albert Fingernoodle]

ohsenmygiodawgusyawrasith is op

[Ymmat_in_the_hat]

obligatory git gud comment

[Scooby Doo]

The problem with Ghost Face is that he can be extremely deadly with two particular add-ons, the ones that reduce his Night Shroud recovery time (the rest of his add-on are completely useless). But, and this is a big "but", without them he's very... I think the right word would be vulnerable. Without said add-ons it takes 30 seconds for Night Shroud to recharge before he can activate stealth again. Trust me, 30 seconds of being a plain M1 Killer hurts.
As a matter of fact, I believe that both Pig and Wraith have a small advantage over Ghost Face as they can manipulate their stealth ability at will. The fact that survivors can take away your power without much of a consequence can sometimes be infuriating (speaking from personal experience). I had matches where one cheeky survivor was following me and constantly breaking me out of my stealth preventing me from finishing stalk on others. Considering the fact that GF's power doesn't help with chases you are forced to do the usual pallet ritual which, in turn, leads to fast gen progression. And we all how it usually ends.
What I'm trying to say is that once you figure out the how his power works and the flaws it has you'll understand that he isn't that overpowered.

[⎝⧹AeroZone ~ ~⧸⎠]

Originally posted by Dingazoid:

His power breaks some basic assumptions about how the game works. He can activate stealth, very frequently, especially with addons. The only way to know he's there, then, is buy looking at him. But if you look at him, he is alerted (built in Whispers, but better because directional). Breaking him out of stealth isn't a good use of time, because by then he's on you anyway (and it's fairly buggy, rarely working as advertised). Usually DBD supports multiple playstyles, even against particular killers. For example, figuring out whether and when to cleanse against Plague is a fun challenge. All I can do against Ghostface is run, but it doesn't matter because he moves the same speed while cloaked and has no cooldown. So he is not fun to versus and not fair, in a way that Bing Bong and Pig are fair because there is a tradeoff between stealth and mobility.

I would like to just start disconnecting against Ghostface because his design is full of terrible ideas, but I'd feel bad for my teammates. When I play killer, I just refuse to use him because I know I'll be ruining the match for 4 other peoples, and it won't take much skill on my part but I'll get some weird power fantasy. ("I'm such a genius, I snuck up on a running generator after clicking a button").

He should have a small stun animation when decloaking and/or reduced speed when cloaked, and his notifications that people are looking at him should be removed.

you are bad you are mad get out of my game

[cedricguerre450]

his trade off is having is only power being taken away. (becoming m1 for a cooldown), also bing bong is faster in stealth (easier to track survivors also)and gets a speed boost after uncloaking. pig also has her traps and lunge.

ghostface's build is fully reliant on fast stealth at the price of it being taken away.

he isn't hard to go against: look around you while doing a gen and when you see him take cover and unstealth him in a good exposed spot.
or you can just take spine chill and watch him look around the gen trying to find you while you're hidden at a far place.

also the hitbox for unstealth might be kinda weird(long distances are harder)to land but once you get use to it you can take advantage of your 3rd person camera and unstealth him while he cant see you and also you should only break him out when you want to bait him or he has already seen you.

i do agree that is power is pretty powerful midchase to trick survivors on loops but even then he
only has no TR and you can still use your eyes.

he's not op. but he might get nerf because ppl are gonna stop trying.

[Dingazoid]

Originally posted by Gh0st.exe:

Maybe i missed something, but isnt that the whole point of Ghostface? Forcing survivors to be more aware of their surroundings? And i dont really see how it is any different then dealing with Wraith (which takes a moment to decloak, but at the same time is less visible then Ghostface) or the Pig (which also has no Terrorradius while crouched AND can come at you faster with a charge). You mention that they at least have to trade a bit mobility in for it, but there are some things i dont get about that, because the Wraith is even faster while cloaked and gets a speed burst when uncloaking, and the Pig has the charge attack which also is pretty fast.
Both of them can only be countered by "noticing them in time". So how are they any different in that aspect then Ghostface?

Being aware of your surroundings doesn't help, since he's alerted when you see him. I often see a crouched Ghostface doofus walking right past me, and he only knows I'm there because I looked at him. Ghostface is way less visible than Wraith or Pig, which is annoying but not something I'm complaining about. Wraith's uncloacking allows survivors to plan their strategy, especially when silent bells aren't used. Wraith is a pretty fun killer to go against, I'd say, and I also like playing him. Pig's charge attack is pretty useless; I've heard the idea that her charge attack should injure and inflict a reverse bear trap, and I like that idea.

To again answer your final question, they don't have built in radar that allows them to be stealthy but makes it to where survivors can't be stealthy. I just faced Ghostface. We were one gen away from escaping, but he kept just crouching up on us and eventually got the 4k. (Our team made several big mistakes too). It wasn't fun, just frustrating and lengthy.

[Dingazoid]

Originally posted by Zatchel:

Another "x killer is boring and by boring i mean i have a hard time facing it".
Yawn.

Except that's not what I argued, you're just repeating stuff you heard on some whiney stream probably. There are a lot of very strong killers that are also fun to play against, because they play by the rules of Dead by Daylight (maps, expectations on both sides, available counterplay, etc.). Freddy is overall stronger, but fun to go against. I think Billy is one of the most balanced killers, but very strong. I think Plague is probably the most creative killer Behaviour has made.

Nurse breaks a basic rule of the game (solids are solid), but she just got nerfed. Still really strong, but I don't care. Only Ghostface and Spirit frustrate me in the sense I see no point in the match and just want it to end. I lose to all killers at different times, sometimes horribly. But it's because I did something wrong, not because I didn't guess where to walk properly or I'm injured so I have to go down unless I run a perk (Spirit) or I didn't run Spine Chill on the off chance it's Ghostface so there's no real counterplay.

Ghostface can be beaten in the sense that after a chase begins he becomes an M1 killer. What I'm saying is it is FRUSTRATING to have each match reduced to this, and encourages objectives camping by the killer. I can lose and still have fun, I just don't with Ghostface.

[Dingazoid]

Originally posted by Scooby Doo:

The problem with Ghost Face is that he can be extremely deadly with two particular add-ons, the ones that reduce his Night Shroud recovery time (the rest of his add-on are completely useless). But, and this is a big "but", without them he's very... I think the right word would be vulnerable. Without said add-ons it takes 30 seconds for Night Shroud to recharge before he can activate stealth again. Trust me, 30 seconds of being a plain M1 Killer hurts.
As a matter of fact, I believe that both Pig and Wraith have a small advantage over Ghost Face as they can manipulate their stealth ability at will. The fact that survivors can take away your power without much of a consequence can sometimes be infuriating (speaking from personal experience). I had matches where one cheeky survivor was following me and constantly breaking me out of my stealth preventing me from finishing stalk on others. Considering the fact that GF's power doesn't help with chases you are forced to do the usual pallet ritual which, in turn, leads to fast gen progression. And we all how it usually ends.
What I'm trying to say is that once you figure out the how his power works and the flaws it has you'll understand that he isn't that overpowered.

I think his stealth helps him in chases a lot, but he has to be played in that way instead of a stealth/camping way.

The only thing I think is "OP" about Ghostface, really, is his directional indicators of survivor locations. Especially with one survivor left (or one slugged and one up), it makes the match pointless. But also, as I've said, I can't stealth away from Ghostface, which if we have to get into it is a lore friendly strategy against Ghostface in the films.

Anyway, my main argument is that going against him isn't fun and he could be made more fun.

[Zatchel]

Originally posted by Dingazoid:

Originally posted by Zatchel:

Another "x killer is boring and by boring i mean i have a hard time facing it".
Yawn.

Except that's not what I argued, you're just repeating stuff you heard on some whiney stream probably. There are a lot of very strong killers that are also fun to play against, because they play by the rules of Dead by Daylight (maps, expectations on both sides, available counterplay, etc.). Freddy is overall stronger, but fun to go against. I think Billy is one of the most balanced killers, but very strong. I think Plague is probably the most creative killer Behaviour has made.

Nurse breaks a basic rule of the game (solids are solid), but she just got nerfed. Still really strong, but I don't care. Only Ghostface and Spirit frustrate me in the sense I see no point in the match and just want it to end. I lose to all killers at different times, sometimes horribly. But it's because I did something wrong, not because I didn't guess where to walk properly or I'm injured so I have to go down unless I run a perk (Spirit) or I didn't run Spine Chill on the off chance it's Ghostface so there's no real counterplay.

Ghostface can be beaten in the sense that after a chase begins he becomes an M1 killer. What I'm saying is it is FRUSTRATING to have each match reduced to this, and encourages objectives camping by the killer. I can lose and still have fun, I just don't with Ghostface.

No, I read your thread. I am not just automatically going "git gud". He is a stealth killer, he can be countered the same way Myers is, no allowing yourself to be stalked without notice, always keeping an eye out, keeping your distance, running and looping him around if he exposes you.

You kind of lost any good faith with your starting argument saying you feel like dcing when facing him (even if you havent started doing it) , this just means you are already frustrated to the point you dont really want to learn to play against him and all you want is the devs to carry you to the exit gates.

[Ryu the Fox]

GF is fun to play and go against.