Slugging to prevent hatch opening

[call me handsome]

I think something should be done to this extremely tryhard tactic. This scenario where two survivors are already dead and 2 left.. and killer decides to slug third survivor so the 4th survivor has close to zero chances of escaping through the hatch..

I'm not really against slugging, since it's sometimes necessary evil to slow down the game if survivors are pushing gens hard. But slugging when there are just two survivors left is just annoing, time wasting and just generally unfun for survivors.

Now to make clear i'm not a survivor main, actually far from it. I started as a killer main and as time has progressed i've tried to play both sides 50/50 so i can see also survivor side of issues.

Now to fix this issue i can see two possible ways to fix it:

Either give LAST 2 remaining survivors unbreakable/ no mither effect to counter slugging OR give remaining survivors suicide option to leave the game with the points they already have.

What do you guys think?

I don't push agenda that there should be always 1 survivor who escapes, but killer who slugs that +4 minutes remaining survivors is just extremely sweaty and unfun to waste time when you know you have already lost that game. Current hatch mechanic is fine in my opinion and these excessive tactics are just over kill

[Skaraok]

Teabagging takes skill, now I've legitimately seen everything.

[Querabias]

Messaggio originale di Skaraok:

Teabagging takes skill, now I've legitimately seen everything.

Imagine teabagging because you think you are the second coming of Jesus Christ playing DbD.

[Leon]

Messaggio originale di Mags:

Messaggio originale di Skaraok:

Teabagging takes skill, now I've legitimately seen everything.

Imagine teabagging because you think you are the second coming of Jesus Christ playing DbD.

oh god!the messias!!He's teabagging for our sins!!

[HAWAIIANpikachu]

Messaggio originale di hi:

Gen rushing isn't a thing.

They are skills. You don't turn on the game for the first time and know how to do these things. It takes time. They are all skills. When you're looping you don't just run around pallets mindlessly. You think, otherwise you're going to get injured and downed. Do I throw the pallet down now? Does the killer have spirit fury? Where do I run to next? Looping isn't just running around in a circle. Chasing a survivor is closer to that though. I mean, that is why you were given bloodlust right? Because you cried about looping.

If you and your team mates are not bothered by the killer the whole game then all it is, is you holding M1, sure. How many games does that happen in? Doing generators, getting chased, looping, breaking line of sight and going back is more than holding just M1. You're rewarded for outplaying the killer. I know you hate it when survivors strategically use Adrenaline against you. Imagine you have multiple people hooked, one survivor unhooks them both and then the remaining survivor pops the generator it's game over lmao. You hate that don't you? Well stop them from doing generators.

AFK survivor being awarded the hatch? If you struggle to find an AFK survivor I feel sorry for you. How can an AFK survivor find the hatch before you? I'm shocked.

The DS skill check isn't even hard to hit. I mean an actual hard skill check. One with a really small bar. Really small. That way killers actually have to do something in order to get their NOED, other than equip the perk and wait for the survivors to complete their objective.

If you figure out three of the killer's perks, the last one could be anything. Blood warden, stridor, shadowborn, mad grit. Why would I assume it's NOED if there's plenty of other perks?

There's nothing wrong with encouraging survivors to do totems though, right? You always say doing totems is a counter to NOED so the devs should add a totem count to the screen to encourage survivors to do totems. Not everyone would use small game but everyone would see a totem counter on the screen. Who cares if NOED becomes a joke because of it. It's a counter, right?

Oh my bad, Gen rushing doesn't exist, i meant focus efforts on gens. Same s--t, doesn't change the fact that gens are stupidly easily to do.

It isn't a skill as much as the fact as you slowly figure out "hey i can do this to make pallets last longer", people don't figure that stuff out instantly because the tutorial systems is complete rubbish and barely teaches the game. You BARELY can figure out how to hit skillchecks. You get shown pallets... once, maybe twice.

Bloodlust BARELY helps against looping, you get pallet stunned? Bye bye. You break the pallet? Bye bye. The only way you get bloodlust is if you force it to activate, which is easier said than done

Don't get bothered by the killer? I've had plenty of games where I was either rarely bothered or bothered only once before sitting back on the gen and just easily completely the objective. I've had games where the killer chased me and by the time i've gotten down the game was already half over, and I'm not some god tier looper. I suppose all killers are just really bad and just need to get out and outplay the gens, and that's really easy to do in a 4v1.

How can an AFK killer be rewarded with NoED? Just clean the damn totems, it's that easy, it's not like the killer is chasing you or anything. How can they outplay you with NoED? I'm shocked.

Hitting a skill check isn't that hard. That's the point i'm making.

Why would you not take the precaution to remove NoED if it's there's a chance?

Then I suppose Enduring should be a counter to DS and DS should be brought back to 3 seconds. I suppose kindred should be countered by standing still. Who cares if the perk becomes a joke, it's a counter.

[💫 Moshi 💫]

Messaggio originale di Ted:

Killers don't get much choice but to do this since survivors have a free escape option via the hatch. I rarely slug for the 4k myself but on particularly tough matches or where survivors are obnoxious, I damn well earn that 4k so I will slug to get it.

I don't see why survivors should have even more opportunities to get a free escape when with the changes to the end game they could potentially do literally nothing all match and yet STILL escape no gens at all done.

Edit: though I do like the suicide option idea, at least if the killer still gets sacrifice points or near enough equivalent to

"Free escape via hatch."

Same could be said of Hatch close + End Game especially when the gates spawn next to each other. Free kill for the killer because you HAVE to come out and once they see a red light on that exit gate pffft. Doesn't matter how well you time, it's extremely rare to escape now if it's just one with end game.

[HAWAIIANpikachu]

Messaggio originale di Mags:

Messaggio originale di Skaraok:

Teabagging takes skill, now I've legitimately seen everything.

Imagine teabagging because you think you are the second coming of Jesus Christ playing DbD.

i just became so woke after that statement tbh

[Alsend_Drake]

"Almost as great as bloodlust - a feature added to help killers who struggle to mind game ultimately forcing survivors to make mistakes. "

That is false. Bloodlust was a bandaid fix for infinite loops.

[Ted]

Messaggio originale di I'M FAST AS ♥♥♥♥ BOIIIIII:

Messaggio originale di Ted:

Killers don't get much choice but to do this since survivors have a free escape option via the hatch. I rarely slug for the 4k myself but on particularly tough matches or where survivors are obnoxious, I damn well earn that 4k so I will slug to get it.

I don't see why survivors should have even more opportunities to get a free escape when with the changes to the end game they could potentially do literally nothing all match and yet STILL escape no gens at all done.

Edit: though I do like the suicide option idea, at least if the killer still gets sacrifice points or near enough equivalent to

"Free escape via hatch."

Same could be said of Hatch close + End Game especially when the gates spawn next to each other. Free kill for the killer because you HAVE to come out and once they see a red light on that exit gate pffft. Doesn't matter how well you time, it's extremely rare to escape now if it's just one with end game.

No, you cannot say the same.

The basic premise of the game is survivors complete gens so the exit gates can be opened and they escape. It isn't survivors do absolutely nothing but hide and let their team die and still get a free escape, though this is what the hatch mechanic is.

The door spawn locations are RNG, the same RNG that can either work in favour of survivors (more often the case) or in favour of killers.

The hatch is a completely survivor sided mechanic, there is literally nothing about the existence of the hatch that benefits killers, it shouldn't even be in the game imo. However it is and I accept that and I actually don't mind if it stays.

But lets not pretend it isn't a free escape for survivors who potentially didn't earn it at all. But they still have the chance to get away no matter how well the killer outplayed their them and their team.

[Dex]

If they slug just leave. It's your time, play how you want. I'm not going to sit there on the ground while the killer just ♥♥♥♥♥ around because he wants his 4k.

[TomTheSequel]

Or you can run unbreakable and get over valid killer tactics.

[💫 Moshi 💫]

Messaggio originale di Ted:

Messaggio originale di I'M FAST AS ♥♥♥♥ BOIIIIII:

"Free escape via hatch."

Same could be said of Hatch close + End Game especially when the gates spawn next to each other. Free kill for the killer because you HAVE to come out and once they see a red light on that exit gate pffft. Doesn't matter how well you time, it's extremely rare to escape now if it's just one with end game.

No, you cannot say the same.

The basic premise of the game is survivors complete gens so the exit gates can be opened and they escape. It isn't survivors do absolutely nothing but hide and let their team die and still get a free escape, though this is what the hatch mechanic is.

The door spawn locations are RNG, the same RNG that can either work in favour of survivors (more often the case) or in favour of killers.

The hatch is a completely survivor sided mechanic, there is literally nothing about the existence of the hatch that benefits killers, it shouldn't even be in the game imo. However it is and I accept that and I actually don't mind if it stays.

But lets not pretend it isn't a free escape for survivors who potentially didn't earn it at all. But they still have the chance to get away no matter how well the killer outplayed their them and their team.

And most games I play that end game is triggered, all gens have been completely and the hatch literally just spawns under killer. I'm pretty good at stealthing so when the killer ONLY catches me ONCE the entire game and that's because of end game, is it really his damn kill? Like no. Why should we all have to suffer just because the team failed individually because y'all seem to forget each one is an individual person. Just because you got 1 - 3 of them doesn't mean you're entitled to the last one automatically.

[Ted]

Messaggio originale di I'M FAST AS ♥♥♥♥ BOIIIIII:

And most games I play that end game is triggered, all gens have been completely and the hatch literally just spawns under killer. I'm pretty good at stealthing so when the killer ONLY catches me ONCE the entire game and that's because of end game, is it really his damn kill? Like no. Why should we all have to suffer just because the team failed individually because y'all seem to forget each one is an individual person. Just because you got 1 - 3 of them doesn't mean you're entitled to the last one automatically.

Lol you played stealthily as in you hid most of the match and let your team mates take the aggro yet you think you deserve a free escape for that?

I could hide all match too and get a free escape but those doing the objectives and taking the risks are more likely to end up dead before the match ends.

I had a survivor dc on me literally the second I got hooked by a Nurse, his excuse was that it was my fault for getting found lol. He thought he was the better player because he hid in the corner like a little ♥♥♥♥♥ waiting for the hatch while I was the one risking getting found by actually trying to get gens done. Yet the mentality of some is that they deserve a free escape (and it is a free escape) because he hid in a corner better than I did?!

And yes, if I absolutely destroy a team I damn well deserve that 4k if I want it. Killer isn't as easy as some survivor mains seem to think and wins are sometimes very hard earned, so an immersed survivor you never saw all match getting a free escape can feel a bit like a slap in the face.

[💫 Moshi 💫]

Messaggio originale di Ted:

Messaggio originale di I'M FAST AS ♥♥♥♥ BOIIIIII:

And most games I play that end game is triggered, all gens have been completely and the hatch literally just spawns under killer. I'm pretty good at stealthing so when the killer ONLY catches me ONCE the entire game and that's because of end game, is it really his damn kill? Like no. Why should we all have to suffer just because the team failed individually because y'all seem to forget each one is an individual person. Just because you got 1 - 3 of them doesn't mean you're entitled to the last one automatically.

Lol you played stealthily as in you hid most of the match and let your team mates take the aggro yet you think you deserve a free escape for that?

I could hide all match too and get a free escape but those doing the objectives and taking the risks are more likely to end up dead before the match ends.

I had a survivor dc on me literally the second I got hooked by a Nurse, his excuse was that it was my fault for getting found lol. He thought he was the better player because he hid in the corner like a little ♥♥♥♥♥ waiting for the hatch while I was the one risking getting found by actually trying to get gens done. Yet the mentality of some is that they deserve a free escape (and it is a free escape) because he hid in a corner better than I did?!

And yes, if I absolutely destroy a team I damn well deserve that 4k if I want it. Killer isn't as easy as some survivor mains seem to think and wins are sometimes very hard earned, so an immersed survivor you never saw all match getting a free escape can feel a bit like a slap in the face.

Who said I let them take it? I take hits for them AND lose the killer. It's not my fault if THEY keep getting found and caught. A free escape? If I lose the killer consistently through a match and I am able to avoid them but my team somehow can't, how is that my fault? Lol. Ok. I see I'm supposed to sacrifice myself for dumb teammates getting themselves in trouble all the time. Assuming I don't do objectives based off of me saying I'm "stealthy" is? You can be stealthy, helpful, and have chases + lose them. Virtually impossible to not get noticed every game when you're doing gens but if you can't lose the killer you deserve that loss?

But no, I'm not talking about the ones who don't do crap all game and hollar about not winning. I'm talking about the ones who do objectives, save, lose the killer a lot, and make it to the end. Why should you get THEIR kill because the others failed and because of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mechanic of end game?

[Joe Zombie]

I like the suicide idea.

Killers have the ability to close hatch now, something they've been wanting to do since forever. Apparently it still isn't enough and even though it is something they can directly interact with now it is still a "free" escape.

I've had many games where the killer remembers where hatch spawned and closes it almost right away.

Not to mention the possibility that the gates spawn close to each other making any sort of escape impossible unless the killer is a complete dummy.

If the killer feels entitled to a 4k, the survivor may feel entitled to an escape, and hide until the slugged one bleeds out. Extending the game and making it boring. Then the killer will probably throw a fit wont they? Not only did they not get the 4k, their time was wasted for several minutes, and the slugged survivor had to suffer from the scenario when they could have already moved on to a new game.

Regardless if you feel entitled to your 4k it is toxic and unfun, boring, and wastes time, and it is hypocritical because it is the same situation if a survivor was immersing around the map forever without being found.

The EGC overall is so killer-sided and was made entirely to prevent standoff and give killers the possibility of preventing a hatch altogether.

We also need to stop with the thought process that the last survivor does not deserve the escape or they simply want a free escape. Playing solo with braindead teammates and trying to escape via hatch shouldn't be frowned upon.

Killers do whatever it takes to 4k yet survivors get so much flak for trying to go for a hatch escape, and that it was undeserved or "I got 3 kills so I should win anyway." Pure entitlement.

[💫 Moshi 💫]

Messaggio originale di Joe Zombie:

I like the suicide idea.

Killers have the ability to close hatch now, something they've been wanting to do since forever. Apparently it still isn't enough and even though it is something they can directly interact with now it is still a "free" escape.

I've had many games where the killer remembers where hatch spawned and closes it almost right away.

Not to mention the possibility that the gates spawn close to each other making any sort of escape impossible unless the killer is a complete dummy.

If the killer feels entitled to a 4k, the survivor may feel entitled to an escape, and hide until the slugged one bleeds out. Extending the game and making it boring. Then the killer will probably throw a fit wont they? Not only did they not get the 4k, their time was wasted for several minutes, and the slugged survivor had to suffer from the scenario when they could have already moved on to a new game.

Regardless if you feel entitled to your 4k it is toxic and unfun, boring, and wastes time, and it is hypocritical because it is the same situation if a survivor was immersing around the map forever without being found.

The EGC overall is so killer-sided and was made entirely to prevent standoff and give killers the possibility of preventing a hatch altogether.

We also need to stop with the thought process that the last survivor does not deserve the escape or they simply want a free escape. Playing solo with braindead teammates and trying to escape via hatch shouldn't be frowned upon.

Killers do whatever it takes to 4k yet survivors get so much flak for trying to go for a hatch escape, and that it was undeserved or "I got 3 kills so I should win anyway." Pure entitlement.

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