Why not run a PTB with no SWF?

[Smut]

ft Potato. The smartest of us all.

[Ghost of Razgriz]

Because then they would complain to devs, who need to cater to their playerbase.

[Karlore]

It wouldn’t prove anything. Very few people use the ptb as it is. They would need to just remove it out of the main branch for a few weeks and see what happens.

[GrayV-Horse]

Removing SWF, as much as I dislike SWF, would kill the game. Plus, what exactly are you trying to prove?

[GrayV-Horse]

Originally posted by Smut:

Originally posted by GrayV-Horse:

Removing SWF, as much as I dislike SWF, would kill the game. Plus, what exactly are you trying to prove?

That it wouldnt kill the game.

I am pretty sure it would hurt the game astronomically. I was here before SWF introduction and you had people bouncing in and out, in and out, in and out of your lobbies as they try relentlessly to get into lobbies with each other. People find the game more alluring knowing they can play with their friends, at least I do like to chill with a few games with my friends.

SWF is a problem, but this is not a means of tackling it.

[tinytmss]

Originally posted by Smut:

Originally posted by GrayV-Horse:

Removing SWF, as much as I dislike SWF, would kill the game. Plus, what exactly are you trying to prove?

That it wouldnt kill the game. It will make the game better. It will be more balanced. It will be less toxic. I could go on.

idk man. removing swf probably means most survivors would stop playing.

you ever play solo survivor? its awful. the reason everyone plays swf is because dbd is not fun alone.

i know if they remove swf, i would probably stop playing dbd all together, and i know im not the only one that feels that way.

[tinytmss]

Originally posted by Smut:

This is my point! You people claim these things with NO evidence whatsoever. And yet you hesitate a chance to prove it?

claim what?? youre the one that started the post. lol. theres nothing to prove. regardless whether swf should be removed doesn’t matter

fact is, you WILL lose players if you remove swf. even if there will be people who stay, i bet the killer queues are going to get even longer.

so you can keep complaining, but the devs won’t touch swf.

[Midnight Green Hero]

Killers: Why do lobbies take 15 min. to fill?!
Also killers: Remove SWF!

[tinytmss]

putting it in the PTB won’t prove anything. not everyone plays ptb. devs would never do it anyways, but if you really want to test it, you have to put it on live servers.

[tinytmss]

Originally posted by Midnight Green Hero:

Killers: Why do lobbies take 15 min. to fill?!
Also killers: Remove SWF!

exactly my point.

theres too many killers rn. it sucks that survivor lobbies are instant and killer lobbies take 20 minutes for me.

[GrayV-Horse]

Originally posted by Smut:

This is my point! You people claim these things with NO evidence whatsoever. And yet you hesitate at a chance to prove it?

Your point is like betting half of your savings on a poker game.

I guess the PTB wouldn't hurt the playerbase virtually, but at the same time, no one really plays it unless there's a new killer release...

EDIT:
By poker game, I meant if you removed SWF from the main game.

[GrayV-Horse]

Originally posted by Smut:

Originally posted by Karlore:

It wouldn’t prove anything. Very few people use the ptb as it is. They would need to just remove it out of the main branch for a few weeks and see what happens.

What if people started playing the ptb more than the live server?

To be honest, if the devs removed SWF from the PTB for testing, survivors would be in a huge uproar.

What the devs need to do is nerf SWF without destroying SWF.
-An example being reducing amount of perks SWF people can use per person in their group. So that: 1 SWF (4 perks), 2 SWF (3 perks), 3 SWF (2 perks), 4 SWF (1 perk).
-An indicator for killers who is in a SWF and if there are 2 separate SWF in the lobby.
-An incentive to play against the SWF, 25% + BP's per SWF member, totaling to 100% stackable with offerings and perks.

But simply removing SWF from base game would decimate the playerbase (most likely given Dev's stats) and removing SWF from ptb would show very little data and most likely cause a survivor uproar.

[tinytmss]

to be honest though? dead by daylight is the only co-op game community i’ve personally been in where people want to punish others for playing with their friends.

[GrayV-Horse]

Originally posted by Smut:

You speak like you have already tested your theories. Because right now, thats all they are. Theories.

Hmm... theories. Well, remember the killer uproar when nurse got a new "feature"? Like when she got fatigue and blade wipe... A pretty huge uproar there huh? Or perhaps any survivor when a decent killer is released. Or Freddy before even being released???

[GrayV-Horse]

Originally posted by killer magnet:

to be honest though? dead by daylight is the only co-op game community i’ve personally been in where people want to punish others for playing with their friends.

The don't play competitively, When I play with my friends, I run plunderers, Ace in hole, WGLF. I pretty much play without 3 perks already. You can still play with your friends and it doesn't make seal team 6 kill crews complete cancer to face. You don't need perks to play.

[tinytmss]

Originally posted by GrayV-Horse:

Originally posted by killer magnet:

to be honest though? dead by daylight is the only co-op game community i’ve personally been in where people want to punish others for playing with their friends.

The don't play competitively, When I play with my friends, I run plunderers, Ace in hole, WGLF. I pretty much play without 3 perks already. You can still play with your friends and it doesn't make seal team 6 kill crews complete cancer to face.

thanks for assuming i do play competitively. it doesnt matter how you play, when killers go up against swf, i get death threats.

only sometimes tho, because im not sweaty lol. i dont use any exhaustion perks or self care