Just cleanse totems, they said.

[Potato]

This obviously needs more testing but it's pretty fun how much time it really takes.
On Wrecker's Yeard which is one of the smallest maps in the game, it took me 2 minutes and 17 seconds to cleanse all 5 totems by myself and I was checking every potential spot which I've memorized, 3 teammates died that game before we even did the 4th gen.
The next game on Grim Pantry I was trying to do the same but I cleansed 4 totems and until the very end didn't manage to find the 5th one, maybe it was cleansed by a teammate, but I would never know because I don't have a totem counter. All 3 teammates died and I died with them.
None of the killer's had NOED btw.
I can't make a conclusion yet, but so far, countering NOED seems like a very good idea and the teammates were probably very thankful that they didn't go in 1 hit and rather died while 3v1ing the killers and barely even doing 3 gens.

Basically, you are better off without doing any totems at all (except Ruin and DH, etc.) than cleansing all 5 because you think the killer has NOED (which they never have). Doing 5 totems actually hurts you and your team more than not doing any of them, just open the gates and get out and accept that you've been outplayed by bad game design.
And even if you do 2 totems and rely on your monkey teammates to do the remaining 3, you've already wasted 40+ seconds of your time. Just don't cleanse any totems other than lit ones, just eat the insta-down and accept your death, there's no way to deal with this perk in solo without dying one way or another.

[Potato]

Escrito originalmente por Absinthe:

Escrito originalmente por Potato:

I'm not playing on rank 16. Yikes back to you.

eh, not my fault bad survivors get to rank up easily.
yikes back to you baby.

Of course, not even sure what you're trying to say here but keep going, sane one.

[:D]

facts

[Ozone]

I just like how people act like noed actually has a counter when it doesn't. The perk does 1 of 2 things, every game, without fail.

1. Powers up the killer and gives them a 2nd chance if totems were ignored
2. Wastes survivors' time via totem cleansing. (Even if the killer isn't using noed! Because there's no way to tell!)

No matter what survivors do, the perk affects the game, and there's nothing you can do to avoid it. Not a lot of perks are as strong as this one, even to the point of it affecting matches in which in isn't even in.

Cleansing the dulls to "dodge" noed isn't a counter, just a choice.

[Learning]

Why do you die to noed tho? Just open the gate and leave, he can only get one of you.

You can't balance the game around randoms if you want swf in this game.

[Potato]

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Why do you die to noed tho? Just open the gate and leave, he can only get one of you.

You can't balance the game around randoms if you want swf in this game.

Exactly, that's what I said in the thread.

[GrayV-Horse]

Escrito originalmente por snozer:

Why do you die to noed tho? Just open the gate and leave, he can only get one of you.

You can't balance the game around randoms if you want swf in this game.

This. Especially the only getting one point. In many of my games, anecdotal evidence, I only see the killer get 1 dude due to NOED, rarely 2. If you are that dude... sux to be you. If the killer gets multiple down, those downed after the first guy suck.

Potato, you are making this sound like the perk NOED is such a god tier perk that it kills all survivors regardless of what they do after the gates are powered. The fact its in game changes the fabric of time in DBD, making teammates die literally in 2 minutes. Its not the fault of the survivors they cant stealth or loop long enough to last longer than two minutes... its NOED. Its NOED's fault that the survivors see their ally getting downed by NOED, get a screen and audiatory effect saying (NOED IS ACTIVE, WHOOP WHOOP NOED!) and proceed to get downed one after the other.

Again, in all me games, NOED rarely gets more than 1 person at the end. It sux to be that person. It sux when you just got the last gennie repaired as the killer approached and suddenly get downed by NOED. But then again... THATS LIFE! Completely unrelated, I got my motorcycle repaired after a horrific wreck. I rebuilt the engine and everything and got it running, good time to because me car is almost dead. But guess what, Head gasket blew despite my meticulous work... now there's oil blowing out like I struck a oil mine. Awful right? Too bad right? All I can do is go with it, repair it and try again, because things just never go perfect.

You are NOT entitled to winning everytime despite your skill. Sometimes, ya just gotta take the loss. That's something I understand well given I am a veteran killer player from 2016, where there were infinites, then when extreme pallet looping came to be, and before the existence of nurse. To add in, I too am a victim of the "Solo Survivor Experience" where I cleanse all 5 totems (I do it for points...) do gennies and even loop the killer. I have seen NOED activate many times and claim the lives of allies. I always assume the killer has NOED, sometimes leaving a gennie at 99% as the killer approaches. You don't want to be the first person found when the gennies activate, period. Do what you can to survive, if totems is too much for you, then dont do them, and make sure you are not the first one found after gennies are powered. Good luck

[Alsend_Drake]

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1. Powers up the killer and gives them a 2nd chance if totems were ignored

This is what really annoys me.

People who only play survivor always act like this is a horrible thing.

Survivors have second chances BUILT INTO THE GAME, in addition to the multiple second chance perks, yet heavens forbid a killer be able to spend a perk slot on a second chance that may or may not trigger.

NOED is Killer Hatch, except Killer has to spend a Perk slot on it AND it can be prevented completely.

[Potato]

Escrito originalmente por Alsend_Drake:

Escrito originalmente por Ozone:

1. Powers up the killer and gives them a 2nd chance if totems were ignored

This is what really annoys me.

People who only play survivor always act like this is a horrible thing.

Survivors have second chances BUILT INTO THE GAME, in addition to the multiple second chance perks, yet heavens forbid a killer be able to spend a perk slot on a second chance that may or may not trigger.

NOED is Killer Hatch, except Killer has to spend a Perk slot on it AND it can be prevented completely.

What are the built in second chances? I'd like to know.
"And it can be prevented", because we didn't already discuss what can actually happen if this perk gets prevented.

[Mr. Hampelmann]

if you and your team just cleanse the totems when they see one its good

[e_sostaks]

Escrito originalmente por GrayV-Horse:

Escrito originalmente por snozer:

Why do you die to noed tho? Just open the gate and leave, he can only get one of you.

You can't balance the game around randoms if you want swf in this game.

This. Especially the only getting one point. In many of my games, anecdotal evidence, I only see the killer get 1 dude due to NOED, rarely 2. If you are that dude... sux to be you. If the killer gets multiple down, those downed after the first guy suck.

I think no one argues with the fact that killer should get only 1 person with NOED. If you all went altruist mode and died it's on you. However, the point is that if the killer sucked so much that he/she couldn't get even one sacrifice during the game, why should they deserve even one kill?

It reminds me a game against this Wraith who was absolutely terribad, missed like 6 attacks on me during the chase, didn't get a single hook, but hey, as soon as the exit gates were powered he still got one poor guy thanks to his crutch that is pretty much uncounterable (which is the main point of this thread) unless you play SWF and can coordinate exactly how many totems were cleansed.

Also I really like the comparison mentioned in this thread about NOED and Adrenaline. Adrenaline rewards survivors for success - doing their objective, repairing all 5 gens, while NOED rewards killers for their failure. Mindboggling actually. Nevertheless I would easily trade Adrenaline for NOED (for both of them to be removed).

[Luna]

small game users
*inser that picture of that puppet looking over his shoulder and then straight*