Survive with friends is toxic to the game.

[ttv/smokestreams1985]

The game was balaced around the fact that survivors could not communicate to eachother. Survive with friends is game breaking, im getting real tires of four people using their perks to tell eachother where I am at all times. I dont want to camp hooks but im lucky to find anyone with how much surivivor teamspeak coms is taking place.

[Ali-A]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von scarsick:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☻SMILEY☻:

Let me simply explain why SWF will never be removed from the game.
1.Lots of players play SWF, if the developers would remove it they would loose a big part of the community which would result in less DLC purchases.
2.There would be less youtube videos from popular youtubers like : Cartoonz,H2O Delirious which would result in less promotion to the game which would mean that this game would have no new players.
3.Considering points 1,2 the game would slowly but surely die when they would remove SWF.

It will bring players interested in competitive play. Swf doesn't need to be removed, it needs to be a separate mode (casual), or an option in killers lobbies (swf on/off).

It does sound like a nice idea. But if there would be an option to turn SWF off then all the killers would do it. Because no SWF is an easier win.

[BeaBurd]

Just introduce heavy in-game penalties to swf groups, with the severity of the penalty dependent on the number of swf players. It won't eliminate the complaints, but it will reduce them. Aim for a 2 dead, 2 survive score in swf just as you would otherwise.

[ttv/smokestreams1985]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☻SMILEY☻:

Let me simply explain why SWF will never be removed from the game.
1.Lots of players play SWF, if the developers would remove it they would loose a big part of the community which would result in less DLC purchases.
2.There would be less youtube videos from popular youtubers like : Cartoonz,H2O Delirious which would result in less promotion to the game which would mean that this game would have no new players.
3.Considering points 1,2 the game would slowly but surely die when they would remove SWF.

SWF is killing the game just in different ways. I should not be forced to play with cheaters. The game is Balanced around survivors not being able to communicate if you do you are cheating and I don't want to play DBD with someone who uses outside coms anymore than I would want to play monopoly with someone who insists they start with 5000, boardwalk and park place.

[Kilalhu]

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von mslanglois:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☻SMILEY☻:

Let me simply explain why SWF will never be removed from the game.
1.Lots of players play SWF, if the developers would remove it they would loose a big part of the community which would result in less DLC purchases.
2.There would be less youtube videos from popular youtubers like : Cartoonz,H2O Delirious which would result in less promotion to the game which would mean that this game would have no new players.
3.Considering points 1,2 the game would slowly but surely die when they would remove SWF.

SWF is killing the game just in different ways. I should not be forced to play with cheaters. The game is Balanced around survivors not being able to communicate if you do you are cheating and I don't want to play DBD with someone who uses outside coms anymore than I would want to play monopoly with someone who insists they start with 5000, boardwalk and park place.

while i dont know about calling it cheating but i do think its not great for the game and think it should be like kill your firends and not part of matchmaking and give no points

[Scarsick]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kill All Humans:

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von mslanglois:

SWF is killing the game just in different ways. I should not be forced to play with cheaters. The game is Balanced around survivors not being able to communicate if you do you are cheating and I don't want to play DBD with someone who uses outside coms anymore than I would want to play monopoly with someone who insists they start with 5000, boardwalk and park place.

while i dont know about calling it cheating but i do think its not great for the game and think it should be like kill your firends and not part of matchmaking and give no points

It is cheating. Imagine a perk like whispers 2.0 with the entity showing to the killer the survivors whereabouts at all times. Doesn't look fair, does it?

[ttv/smokestreams1985]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kill All Humans:

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von mslanglois:

SWF is killing the game just in different ways. I should not be forced to play with cheaters. The game is Balanced around survivors not being able to communicate if you do you are cheating and I don't want to play DBD with someone who uses outside coms anymore than I would want to play monopoly with someone who insists they start with 5000, boardwalk and park place.

while i dont know about calling it cheating but i do think its not great for the game and think it should be like kill your firends and not part of matchmaking and give no points

No it's straight up cheating, it breaks the games balance. It's no different than playing Starcraft with a map hack or rainbow 6 with a headshot script. You are using an unintended outside program to affect the balance of the game in your favor it's cheating.

[Undying Zombie]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von scarsick:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kill All Humans:

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while i dont know about calling it cheating but i do think its not great for the game and think it should be like kill your firends and not part of matchmaking and give no points

It is cheating. Imagine a perk like whispers 2.0 with the entity showing to the killer the survivors whereabouts at all times. Doesn't look fair, does it?

Add another player slot. This extra player slot gets to play as the Entity. ( with friend invite setup like SWF but its only two people, killer and Entity. )

Entity can block X amount of vault spots and change what vault spots are blocked or not.
Entity moves around like a spirit with no body so they can spot survivors.
Can curse a survivor causing more QTEs that do not get the great skillcheck bonus.
Can wind back gens when not being repaired.

Prob could come up with other mechanics so the Entity player wont be too bored.

Sounds fair right?

[Deagle Trainee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Undying Zombie:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von scarsick:

It is cheating. Imagine a perk like whispers 2.0 with the entity showing to the killer the survivors whereabouts at all times. Doesn't look fair, does it?

Add another player slot. This extra player slot gets to play as the Entity. ( with friend invite setup like SWF but its only two people, killer and Entity. )

Entity can block X amount of vault spots and change what vault spots are blocked or not.
Entity moves around like a spirit with no body so they can spot survivors.
Can curse a survivor causing more QTEs that do not get the great skillcheck bonus.
Can wind back gens when not being repaired.

Prob could come up with other mechanics so the Entity player wont be too bored.

Sounds fair right?

So basically a player who can play a slightly weakened god?

[Emanouche]

Haven't read all of the posts, to the original thread: As some of you may be aware, Friday the 13th game beta is out, and there are some mechanics I think Dead by Daylight could learn. In F13 beta, if you want to communicate with your friends thru mic, you have to be in close proximity for them to hear you (proximity chat), also Jason can hear you if he is close enough when you do. If you want to communicate long distance, you have to find a walkie talkie and each other players must have one to hear each other too. :)

[Stevey The Ex-Eevee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bugs Bunny:

I play a SWF with one friend from time to time and we've never had any comms. Don't assume comms for SWF. Take the challenge and beat it instead of complaining.

^ this. When i see an obvious SWF group, i just take the challange. it slightly annoys me, sure. cause they're bound to be cocky, but i just deal with it. Reward killers for this ♥♥♥♥ instead of doing nothing or removing hte mode.

[Spudsy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Stevey The Ex-Eevee:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bugs Bunny:

I play a SWF with one friend from time to time and we've never had any comms. Don't assume comms for SWF. Take the challenge and beat it instead of complaining.

^ this. When i see an obvious SWF group, i just take the challange. it slightly annoys me, sure. cause they're bound to be cocky, but i just deal with it. Reward killers for this ♥♥♥♥ instead of doing nothing or removing hte mode.

99% survivor and 1% killer 66 sacrifices total, you have literally no clue about what this topic is about because you havn't experienced it in full yet. rank 20's are not hard to kill.

"when i play killer" lol

[Rae]

It's quite cancer and this put me in a challenge which is fun full of mindset and I could polish my skill as killer. On the other thing, as a perkless killer I would say it is unfair to play against 4 ds 4 selfcare 4 sprintburst 4 sabotage. When I am just rank 20 killer quite cancer when you have survivor who played only 20 hours they got all perks and prestige kind of hard maybe smurfing account plus farm bp

[Stevey The Ex-Eevee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ozzy:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Stevey The Ex-Eevee:

^ this. When i see an obvious SWF group, i just take the challange. it slightly annoys me, sure. cause they're bound to be cocky, but i just deal with it. Reward killers for this ♥♥♥♥ instead of doing nothing or removing hte mode.

99% survivor and 1% killer 66 sacrifices total, you have literally no clue about what this topic is about because you havn't experienced it in full yet. rank 20's are not hard to kill.

"when i play killer" lol

Problem? I've played a ton of killer and faced a ton of SWF groups. Just sounds like you need to suck it up and accept more rewards and changes. Its not the devs fault you absolute suck at the game, cocky players arent hard to kill either or pip up from.

also, theres a thing called punctuation and grammar. I suggest you use if you intend to be taken remotely seriously on these forums.

[The Trinity]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von WrathCh1ld:

Heres a thought killer mains, stop being so scared of losing and suck it up and learn how to kill them, Its pathetic how people who play the side with traps weapons and supernatural powers complain about voice comms and flashlights, I Play alot of both sides at a rank 1 level so i think ive had enough experience to comment, This game isnt csgo, there are going to be times when no matter what you do you will die as a survivor or they will escape as survivior, its an asymertrical game not an esport. Back in my day you played the game to develop stratagies to win and practiced them not went on a forum and cried about how op this or that is and said the game was ♥♥♥♥ because the devs dont cater to your fear of playing against people who god forbid are speaking to each other, the fact is if you are a good killer you are more than strong enough to kill any swf group with any amounts of items and comms, End of story, if you cant handle swf than try practicing before you come on here and complain about how its "killing the game" because when the game first came out the same cries were heard about no swf and how it was a team game you couldent play with a team. That was supposedly "killing the game" So how are the devs supposed to make this the best game it can be with everyone flip flopping on ideas based o having a bad game

It's not that the killers are scared of losing, its that SWF and communication provides a clear advantage that cannot be counterd in anyway and was not intended for the game

[Deagle Trainee]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Stevey The Ex-Eevee:

also, theres a thing called punctuation and grammar. I suggest you use if you intend to be taken remotely seriously on these forums.

Pot calling the kettle black....