Comparison old bloodweb vs new with 500 k BP. Grind reduced ? Not at all.

[Benedict Bierbauch]

Old bloodweb: 500 k BP would get you from level 1 to 15 or 16, depending on the bloodweb, with a choice of 15 or 16 Perks
New Bloodweb: 500 k BP will get you to lvl 19, mine got me a total of 11 perks to choose from, so that means 4-5 perks LESS than in the old bloodweb algorithm. Alltogether even 8 perks less than with level 19 on the old web at the same level.

Grind reduced ? I don't think so at all. It will take you 5 or 8 (depending on how you see it) complete bloodwebs more in the end to get the same selection of perks to choose from.
3 levels saved at this early bloodweb means approximately 100-130 k BP saved, total of 6-8 games with a successful escape and a couple of saves/healings.

[Biggles159]

But you level up much faster...

[Benedict Bierbauch]

True, but in the end you got nothing of that. Except the higher level, with LESS perks to choose. You get the additional perk slots less than 10 games earlier than before.

[Nick Vascuas]

All this update did was make prestiging not as awful. But not getting perks for the first 10 levels is awful since you'll have to spend hundreds of thousands past level 50 to get perks you didn't get in the beginning.

[ᴋɪᴅᴅʏ]

In the end, for a Fully perked character (all perks rank 3) you spend less BP than before

[Knight_of_Gallifrey]

The real change was made too the higher levels. Having only half the web with items instead of a nearly full web with my level 32 nurse means I can actually make progress towards more perks. Not too mention having the choice of perk is a nice touch. No, I do not need brutal strength on my nurse but I will happily take that Spies in the Shadows.

[TTV/Ap0calypticCheese]

Originally posted by kiddy:

In the end, for a Fully perked character (all perks rank 3) you spend less BP than before

Do you when perks aren't able to be attained at all on some blood webs? I can't agree.

[ᴋɪᴅᴅʏ]

Originally posted by Apocalyptic Cheese:

Originally posted by kiddy:

In the end, for a Fully perked character (all perks rank 3) you spend less BP than before

Do you when perks aren't able to be attained at all on some blood webs? I can't agree.

Ye it does, im 95% sure of it. I have a claudette with all perks, took me 80ish levels to do so, thats 30+ level 50 bloodwebs, and level 50 bloodwebs aren't as expensive anymore.

[TTV/Ap0calypticCheese]

Originally posted by kiddy:

Originally posted by Apocalyptic Cheese:

Do you when perks aren't able to be attained at all on some blood webs? I can't agree.

Ye it does, im 95% sure of it. I have a claudette with all perks, took me 80ish levels to do so, thats 30+ level 50 bloodwebs, and level 50 bloodwebs aren't as expensive anymore.

4 less nodes. And as people have stated about the bloodweb. When you get perks you have to go for the closest otherwise you get neither (so there is no choice) and then on top of that it both perks or the one perk on the bloodweb is 5 or more nodes out it's unobtainable. Also, do you actually have what each blood web cost you? Actual averages from before and after for everyone and the averages of what people needed to spend to get all perks? If you don't then all you have is anacdotal evidence (which is a argumentative fallacy) that you don't even have data to back up. So again I said. I don't agree.

[Myst Lynx]

Originally posted by Apocalyptic Cheese:

Originally posted by kiddy:

Ye it does, im 95% sure of it. I have a claudette with all perks, took me 80ish levels to do so, thats 30+ level 50 bloodwebs, and level 50 bloodwebs aren't as expensive anymore.

4 less nodes. And as people have stated about the bloodweb. When you get perks you have to go for the closest otherwise you get neither (so there is no choice) and then on top of that it both perks or the one perk on the bloodweb is 5 or more nodes out it's unobtainable. Also, do you actually have what each blood web cost you? Actual averages from before and after for everyone and the averages of what people needed to spend to get all perks? If you don't then all you have is anacdotal evidence (which is a argumentative fallacy) that you don't even have data to back up. So again I said. I don't agree.

From my experience, levels between 30-50 tended to be in the range of 70k-75k bloodpoints, occasionally higher depending, but that was the average. Now, leveling my Nurse towards 50, I find myself spending more in the range of 35k-40k Bloodpoints.

[TTV/Ap0calypticCheese]

Originally posted by WG!Emarin:

Originally posted by Apocalyptic Cheese:

4 less nodes. And as people have stated about the bloodweb. When you get perks you have to go for the closest otherwise you get neither (so there is no choice) and then on top of that it both perks or the one perk on the bloodweb is 5 or more nodes out it's unobtainable. Also, do you actually have what each blood web cost you? Actual averages from before and after for everyone and the averages of what people needed to spend to get all perks? If you don't then all you have is anacdotal evidence (which is a argumentative fallacy) that you don't even have data to back up. So again I said. I don't agree.

From my experience, levels between 30-50 tended to be in the range of 70k-75k bloodpoints, occasionally higher depending, but that was the average. Now, leveling my Nurse towards 50, I find myself spending more in the range of 35k-40k Bloodpoints.

Your experience doens't make it a rule or make it fact. That's why it's a fallacy. Again, do you have actual data because "from my experience" isn't helping this discussion.

On a side note. Do you have any way to measure the quality of what you've spent? Because that's another issue with this new system. The quality you get out of each bloodweb has decreaed quite a lot. So even if you're getting more things faster, it's not worth it if you're getting crap.

[Myst Lynx]

Originally posted by Apocalyptic Cheese:

Originally posted by WG!Emarin:

From my experience, levels between 30-50 tended to be in the range of 70k-75k bloodpoints, occasionally higher depending, but that was the average. Now, leveling my Nurse towards 50, I find myself spending more in the range of 35k-40k Bloodpoints.

Your experience doens't make it a rule or make it fact. That's why it's a fallacy. Again, do you have actual data because "from my experience" isn't helping this discussion.

Well I'm going to guess that because the system has already changed, we can't go back and record exactly how much each level was. We can record everyone's experience but experience doesn't help this discussion, apparently.

[TTV/Ap0calypticCheese]

Originally posted by WG!Emarin:

Originally posted by Apocalyptic Cheese:

Your experience doens't make it a rule or make it fact. That's why it's a fallacy. Again, do you have actual data because "from my experience" isn't helping this discussion.

Well I'm going to guess that because the system as already changed, we can't go back and record exactly how much each level was. We can record everyone's experience but experience doesn't help this discussion, apparently.

Not really because there are too few people to have a good sample size. This is all data that the devs have, but don't share. And since we're also discussing actual qunatifiable data it is imparative to not go on feeling and go on actual math.