How to beat GOOD swf group?

[Walker]

Realy i want some tipps how to deal with them.
I 4k a lot of swf, but if they actually arent kids and use their brain, its impossible.
Any good example videos/tutorials out there?
Pls dont say X-Streamer always 4k ... most of the time that swf group dont play good even though its rank 1 and i dont want to dig out 100 videos to find 1 good example.
Also iam playing Doctor most of the time. With Billy i kinda manage when i get one early with the chainsaw. Nurse also manageable, when not all 4 of them have deadhard.

[Ironsights]

Originally posted by Torrens:

I dont think there is a way around it. Game is not balanced for it and it will stay OP like it always has been. Its sickening but it's the truth. A good swf you wont get a 4k let alone 2k or 1k even if ur super optimal. Like you said it's only possible when the swf is not taking itself seriously.

This is pretty accurate. if you are against a good team, well coordinated, and trying to live...most of them will live. You might snag one, but you wont beat them. Once I suspect a team is full try hard, I usually just latch on to one of them and tunnel them to death...a lot of times it can bait out some 'hero' plays and net you some more kills.

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Originally posted by pulaski:

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

SWF is overpowered as everyone is saying. However, there are freak killers with 1000+ hours who can deal with a SWF voicechat team. One of them is TrU3ta1ent - look for him on twitch and youtube. Watch him play to see what it takes.

Most SWF-Parties are brainless. When he gets a smart SWF-Party, he kills no one.
Anyway, the fact you kill 3/4 survivors doesn't mean the match was not a hell.

He plays against a lot of level 1 players. I think you imagine the "smart" ones as the ones who have enough good luck to win, thereby making True look like crap. Sometimes just a couple little things, like having some time before they get that Hex ruin totem or catching someone early, can make all the difference. It can make a good SWF team look a lot worse, even though it was just a bit of bad luck that prevented them from all escaping.

Also, I wouldn't argue that SWF is unbalanced and not fun for killers. I'm only pointing out that some killers are so good (after spending well over a thousand hours) that they can deal with SWF teams. Wouldn't say they like it. Also wouldn't suggest noob killers quit their job and play DBD full time to "git gud." SWF is completely lopsided towards the survivors.

[Warpsmith_GREW50ME]

Originally posted by quasab:

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

Yeah, then watch as SWF disconnect when they see you've used a mori. The game is toxic and abused by so many people.

If SWF see mori's they disconnect and then spam chat with "omg, noob." "omg, noed noob." "omg noob, couldn't kill one of us(As they all BT rush the hook with the gates open, body block the killer and trade blows to save each other).

They need to nerf SWF, that's where the game needs to be balanced around, not around broken stats that show SWF demolish killers until one of them gets hooked and they all rush the hook feeding the killer to try save their friend.

SWF nerf is bad idea. Just let people communicate ingame and make killers strong enouf to scare people. It would be game that it should be.

SWF nerf is a great idea, but a better idea would be to rebalance the game around it.

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Originally posted by Sw!zZ.Pii:

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

SWF is overpowered as everyone is saying. However, there are freak killers with 1000+ hours who can deal with a SWF voicechat team. One of them is TrU3ta1ent - look for him on twitch and youtube. Watch him play to see what it takes.

Tru3 is good but I must admit that it can be annoying to watch him. We all know how frustrating some situations are but him constantly talking about how broken it is, unfortunately, doesn't make it any better :P

I beg to differ. True is a good example of a genuinely talented gamer who has invested a massive amount of time playing DBD. Playing games is what he does for a living. So his opinion matters. He demonstrates a lot of problems with the game and his commentary can help shape future changes to the game.

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Originally posted by Bear-Zerker:

Originally posted by quasab:

SWF nerf is bad idea. Just let people communicate ingame and make killers strong enouf to scare people. It would be game that it should be.

SWF nerf is a great idea, but a better idea would be to rebalance the game around it.

Can't balance the game around SWF without smashing random singles into oblivion. That's what makes it a difficult problem. The devs don't want to touch SWF cuz it's popular, and I don't blame them, but there are massive advantages to voicechat that break the game. So we have this sloppy compromise of killers being able to dodge. Perhaps it's the best that can be done.

[Jackal Eyes]

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

Originally posted by pulaski:

Most SWF-Parties are brainless. When he gets a smart SWF-Party, he kills no one.
Anyway, the fact you kill 3/4 survivors doesn't mean the match was not a hell.

He plays against a lot of level 1 players. I think you imagine the "smart" ones as the ones who have enough good luck to win, thereby making True look like crap. Sometimes just a couple little things, like having some time before they get that Hex ruin totem or catching someone early, can make all the difference. It can make a good SWF team look a lot worse, even though it was just a bit of bad luck that prevented them from all escaping.

Also, I wouldn't argue that SWF is unbalanced and not fun for killers. I'm only pointing out that some killers are so good (after spending well over a thousand hours) that they can deal with SWF teams. Wouldn't say they like it. Also wouldn't suggest noob killers quit their job and play DBD full time to "git gud." SWF is completely lopsided towards the survivors.

Smart SWF-Parties are the ones who focuss on repair gens and escape in less than 5 minutes and have 16 crutch perks. No one can do anything against them.
Brainless ones are 90% of them. They just want to perform rescues and bully the killer and that's why they get killed so often.Anyway, playing against people using cheats (comms) is never funny. At least for me, a killer only player, always R1 since past June. And my kill ratio is 4k 90% of the times. But one thing has nothing to do with the other. This is something survivors main should learn.

[Slippery When Dead]

Originally posted by Bear-Zerker:

Originally posted by quasab:

SWF nerf is bad idea. Just let people communicate ingame and make killers strong enouf to scare people. It would be game that it should be.

SWF nerf is a great idea, but a better idea would be to rebalance the game around it.

Yeah that's more like it.

And about ingame-voice-communication from the previous posting... hell yeah i totally want to get flamed and insulted in an acoustic way too!! /s

[Bullied by Pigeon]

see dont expect to 4k vs a really good SWF.. set your goal to 2K and anything above is a bonus..

if i see a SWF in lobby i load my machine gun build for huntress and put ruin + insidious + warden + either agitation or thrill of hunt..

tactic is to hook first guy and insidous camp him if they decide to gen rush you will still have 2-3 gens left coz the ruin will buy you atleast 30-90 secs should be enough to get first hook

second hook dont camp ... third hook will almost be when exit gates are powerd.. camp third hook for easy pip or if they swarm you for second hook punish them :P

vs a good SWF only huntress/billy/nurse can get 2K + other killers will get looped even if they play veryefficiently..

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Originally posted by pulaski:

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

He plays against a lot of level 1 players. I think you imagine the "smart" ones as the ones who have enough good luck to win, thereby making True look like crap. Sometimes just a couple little things, like having some time before they get that Hex ruin totem or catching someone early, can make all the difference. It can make a good SWF team look a lot worse, even though it was just a bit of bad luck that prevented them from all escaping.

Also, I wouldn't argue that SWF is unbalanced and not fun for killers. I'm only pointing out that some killers are so good (after spending well over a thousand hours) that they can deal with SWF teams. Wouldn't say they like it. Also wouldn't suggest noob killers quit their job and play DBD full time to "git gud." SWF is completely lopsided towards the survivors.

Smart SWF-Parties are the ones who focuss on repair gens and escape in less than 5 minutes and have 16 crutch perks. No one can do anything against them.
Brainless ones are 90% of them. They just want to rescue and bully the killer and that's why they get killed so often.Anyway, playing against people using cheats (comms) is never funny. At least for me, a killer only player, always R1 since past June. And my kill ratio is 4k 90% of the times. But one thing has nothing to do with the other. This is something survivors main should learn.

Well, you're an example of why it's not all that broken, aren't you? Your kill ratio is 4k 90% of the time? Guess all the crutch perks don't work so well after all. Either that or you are really good at dodging until you find some cans to crush.

[Jackal Eyes]

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

Originally posted by pulaski:

Smart SWF-Parties are the ones who focuss on repair gens and escape in less than 5 minutes and have 16 crutch perks. No one can do anything against them.
Brainless ones are 90% of them. They just want to rescue and bully the killer and that's why they get killed so often.Anyway, playing against people using cheats (comms) is never funny. At least for me, a killer only player, always R1 since past June. And my kill ratio is 4k 90% of the times. But one thing has nothing to do with the other. This is something survivors main should learn.

Well, you're an example of why it's not all that broken, aren't you? Your kill ratio is 4k 90% of the time? Guess all the crutch perks don't work so well after all. Either that or you are really good at dodging until you find some cans to crush.

That's because i'm much more skilled than the average survivor who just relies in going around pallets and use DS or DH when he misses. But the fact i kill them doesn't mean it was unfun or heavily stressful. You're making the same mistake as devs if you think you can balance the game looking at stats.

[Bloof Malloy Flumberghast]

Originally posted by Sw!zZ.Pii:

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

I beg to differ. True is a good example of a genuinely talented gamer who has invested a massive amount of time playing DBD. Playing games is what he does for a living. So his opinion matters. He demonstrates a lot of problems with the game and his commentary can help shape future changes to the game.

I mean it doesn't make it any better for me to watch, of course it is good to point out issues or imbalance but for me - I keep hearing it over and over again just feels more like: I know man, stop telling it over and over again ;)

Yeah, I guess I don't watch him enough for the redundancy to get to me. Probably watched less than 10 trials with True. Still, pretty impressed at how good he is.

[Tktoast]

Tru3 is great to watch. Killer Panda also. They're both great at hunting. I'm mediocre killer, Good days and some bad days but Ive learnt a lot from watching them two. Typically how to find good survivors. They're both great at hearing things and finding the surv hiding. Specially Tru3. he hears something and always finds a surv hiding within seconds, with or without scratches.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by Slippery Fun Time:

SWF is overpowered as everyone is saying. However, there are freak killers with 1000+ hours who can deal with a SWF voicechat team. One of them is TrU3ta1ent - look for him on twitch and youtube. Watch him play to see what it takes.

Sure there is a lot of good killer streamers but if they verse good(VERY GOOD) swf team they rarely get more then 1 kill.
I don't mean average team. I mean team of 4 with 4 BT, best flashlights, bnp's rushing gens, looping and then BT out of the exit gate.