Using a third party voice chat program is cheating

[Falmingkitter]

I get steamrolled in some games, only to find out all the players were chatting mid-game, which gives an unfair advantage over the killer. If survivors were SUPPOSED to be able to chat, there would be a system for it, and it canononically cheating, since all killers have hightened senses so they should be able to hear any speaking among the survivors

Can you people not? I know the gaming community as a whole is very toxic when it comes to cheating and everything except for actual hacking (even then there are groups who support hackers) , "It's not cheating bro it's in the game it's fair", etc. so I dont expect this to be met with much other than "Git Gud lmao noob" and I also know it would be pretty damn impossible to enfore this with regular players but maybe go after streamers and Youtubers who do this is public matches?

[Echo Zakarias]

Hello darkness my old friend...

- "The killer is X" (identity of the killer is revealed to everybody by first person sighting and they can adjust their style accordingly).

- "Killer is at X area doing whatever" (level 4 Kindred where all survivors "see" the killer without being hooked).

- "I am at X area doing whatever" (level 4 Kindred where all survivors "see" each other without being hooked).

- "Killer is chasing me" (everybody else knows they are safe to do gens).

- "Killer is heading toward X gen" (everybody at X gen run away before they even get a heart beat).

- "Killer downed me on a pallet" (nearest survivor rushes in to do a pallet stun save).

- "Killer is taking me toward X hook (nearby survivors try to intercept the killer and block with body, pallet or try blind with flashlight).

- After the survivor is hooked: "Killer is at X distance to Y direction of the hook" (level 4 Kindred).

- "Killer is chasing me" (other survivors go for the unhook knowing the killer is distracted).

- "Killer is camping" (BT survivor comes for the rescue).

- "Killer is face camping" (everybody else gen rushes).

- "I am injured at X area" (Empathy perk).

- "Hex totem at X area" (everybody knows where the Hex totem is - Rainbow Map).

- "Killer is chasing me" (nearest person comes in to cleanse to Hex totem).

- "Killer is running back to totem" (person cleansing runs away before heart beat).

- "Hook at X area is sabotaged to 99%" (survivor safe space).

- "The hatch is at X area" (survivor with key shows up).

- After one dies: "Killer has X perks/add-ons" (survivors prepare to counter NOED and adjust to sense perks).

- "I am downed at X area" (nullifies the Knock Out perk).

- "I am the obsession" (If said player doesn't have a perk that makes them the obsession, chances are they are the target of Dying light because why would the killer want to play with their food? If they do have an obsession perk which is likely Decisive Strike, others will know he has 1 chance to get out of killer grasp near instantly).

[John Fortnite Kennedy]

Originally posted by Flamingkitty "Skill of Noob":

I get steamrolled in some games, only to find out all the players were chatting mid-game, which gives an unfair advantage over the killer. If survivors were SUPPOSED to be able to chat, there would be a system for it, and it canononically cheating, since all killers have hightened senses so they should be able to hear any speaking among the survivors

Can you people not? I know the gaming community as a whole is very toxic when it comes to cheating and everything except for actual hacking (even then there are groups who support hackers) , "It's not cheating bro it's in the game it's fair", etc. so I dont expect this to be met with much other than "Git Gud lmao noob" and I also know it would be pretty damn impossible to enfore this with regular players but maybe go after streamers and Youtubers who do this is public matches?

sure it may be cheating, but there's no point in complaining about it because the devs will never do anything about it.

[Vancold]

Originally posted by weirdkid5:

The devs have stated before dribbling is legit, calling it "a mind game." What wasn't intended was dribbling to make you waste your DS, but they fixed that. They even nerfed dribbling.

I definitely understand the rule. Skype is 3rd Party. VOIP gives you an unfair advantage. Thus things like Skype are cheating. It's simple.

I think you don't understand my stance on the game. I'm a survivor main. 450 of my 640 hours are survivor. Using voice, with proper communication, is almost always a guaranteed win for me no matter who it is against. Because of this, I dont play with SWF even when I solo queue because it does indeed make the game "lol gg ez"

The devs are changing it now yes, because it is actuslly a real problem. The fact they are considering balancing the game around it actually shows it IS. Problem and the devs acknowledge it. This is why they are talking about changing things.

It was allowed because people review bombed the game. I agree, people should be able to play with their friends. Killers also deserve matches that are the intended balance if they desire it, hence my petition in the first place.

The devs have also stated talking with your friends is legit. They're even adding UI fixes to compensate for solo players. This means they acknowledged voice comm and are fine with that, hence this doesn't make it cheating. <- This case was closed before opening it.

Then I guess Skype is cheating in League of Legends. Damn cheaters at the world tournament.

..So? I'm a killer main, communication or not I almost always kill every guy on my path; does it make a difference? I don't whine because it's indeed a "git gud material".

Because it CAN lead SOMETIMES to a problem. The fact they're THINKING about some IDEAS to soften the issue shows how it's not a gamebreaking issue as many others are claiming.

Killers are not special snowflakes. Killers are not victims. Killers are not a protected specie. Some games I get caught in the first 30 seconds by a random chainsawing Billy who was just scouting the area. He then proceeds to camp the hell out of me. Do I make a thread, out of frustration, saying things have to change because that game got me an AWFUL experience? No. Do I talk about camping sometimes in threads where I can give actual constructive criticism and discuss about the issue, which many players avoid to mention? Maybe.

Not against your petition, though, I didn't read it all, but I think you were just exposing your ideas. I didn't agree, but well, it doesn't matter afterall.

[Absynthex]

Originally posted by Flamingkitty "Skill of Noob":

I get steamrolled in some games, only to find out all the players were chatting mid-game, which gives an unfair advantage over the killer. If survivors were SUPPOSED to be able to chat, there would be a system for it, and it canononically cheating, since all killers have hightened senses so they should be able to hear any speaking among the survivors

Can you people not? I know the gaming community as a whole is very toxic when it comes to cheating and everything except for actual hacking (even then there are groups who support hackers) , "It's not cheating bro it's in the game it's fair", etc. so I dont expect this to be met with much other than "Git Gud lmao noob" and I also know it would be pretty damn impossible to enfore this with regular players but maybe go after streamers and Youtubers who do this is public matches?

So... playing with friends is cheating? cause there's a in-game feature that allows to do that, how can you define cheating something that devs clearly allow to do? And btw: why should this be a bad thing for the killers? I can't remember how many times SWF ensured me a full wipe, just because his friends didnt want to let one survivor die.

[Sakaya]

Always the same 10~ people yelling "it´s cheating" The loudest is the one that can´t even tell if someone is achivement hacking. ok

[ANGEL (DEROGATORY) ♡]

Originally posted by Apocrypha:

Many games don't have voice chat in them, yet voice chat programs aren't considered cheating. Take most MMOs for example.

This is a very poor argument.

This.

[LoganJ]

Originally posted by Sakaya:

Always the same 10~ people yelling "it´s cheating" The loudest is the one that can´t even tell if someone is achivement hacking. ok

who cares about achivment hackers that dosent effect the game

[Woe]

Originally posted by Kawaii Hag:

Originally posted by Apocrypha:

Many games don't have voice chat in them, yet voice chat programs aren't considered cheating. Take most MMOs for example.

This is a very poor argument.

This.

I'll also second this.

[[Redacted]]

From what I gathered from this thread is that using Skype, Discord, Teamspeak and any other communication programs is considered 'cheating'? So, from what I understand is that using Valve's voice chat is ok then?

[LoganJ]

Originally posted by Oc'Nim:

From what I gathered from this thread is that using Skype, Discord, Teamspeak and any other communication programs is considered 'cheating'? So, from what I understand is that using Valve's voice chat is ok then?

LOL noones uses that

[Budoshi]

im sorry. but the swf mode wasnt intended. it was put on after so many people cry over it so they put it into the game, the game cannot play well around that, lets not compare it with other games they are designed with the idea in mind t...its like comparing oranges with apples.

most online games works well with voice over because its almost never 4 vs 1..take friday the 13th for example..the voice over is in game and jason can hear them speaking...if they want to speak to each other they need to find the radio...why? balance...DBD needs something like that badly.

Anyone with half a brain can see the disavantage the killer can have against a swf group.i dont care that you 4k a swf group before your not the first so congrats..its not the point here so stop been hypocrytes . kill your friend mode should be the only thing exist. i have zero desire to play against your group of friends to be bullied that cheats with voice chat.

if you want to have fun with your friend well play togetther . have only 3 friends? well 2 survivor and 1 killer have fun with that unfun not balance game. why not ?. with your swf group mode .. its unfun and not balance for the killer so why should killer main endure that crap?. so cheat among yourselves.. the dev need to do something with swf ASAP.

[Sernior]

It is.
Still legalized cheating so feel free to use it.

But ye it is a 3rd party software giving you an unfair advantage over the other team (the killer) so there isn't really much rethoric to be done here.

Legalized cheating.

[Spudbar]

VOIP gives a huge advantage that the developers have yet to figure out a way to deal with.

The devs clearly intended for the game to be played without VOIP. But due to legal and moral reasons, they can't detect when people are using VOIP in a third-party program. It's not cheating in the same way that ESP is, since programs like Discord or Skype never interfere with the game process or files. So technically, it really isn't cheating.

I have a monitor that can draw a crosshair for me in the center of my screen. That gives me an advantage in first-person shooters, but it technically isn't cheating, since it's part of my hardware and doesn't interfere with the game process or files. Therefore, I can't be banned for it, nor punished in any way because you can't actually prove I'm using it.

"weirdkid5" has an idea to balance the game around this. Haven't read much of the thread but I know he's here, and so he can tell you about it if he hasn't already. Though this is kind of the situation we're at right now: How do we separate VOIP users, or how do we balance the game for VOIP? It's like balancing the game around people putting crosshairs on their screen. There's going to need to be major design changes in order for it to work.

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Of course, we could also just apply penalties to SWF groups. Though that would punish non-VOIP users. But I doubt that should matter much to most of the pro-SWF/VOIP users since they're okay with perks like Borrowed Time and Decisive Strike existing.

Borrowed Time punishes players who don't camp, but that's okay because "some" players do camp. So they should be fine with punishing SWF players even if they don't use VOIP, because "some" players do us VOIP.

I'm just using the same logic I'm seeing in these other threads where I see the same people in this thread arguing in favor of pallet looping, BT and DS - blaming everything on Killers for when those perks take the fun out of their game - and applying their logic to this.

[Eninya]

There needs to be a ranked mode where you cannot queue with friends. (Requeuing is bound to get you at least 1 friend if you both grinded at it during dead hours, but that's a small advantage at best and takes a lot of time.)

I do 3 man SWF at most, and it can be difficult to gauge certain map positions as well as killer behavior outright. It's definitely helpful in some situations, mainly at the hooked person explaining their strategy (camping; direction they're headed, etc.), but overall doesn't help much if none of us are ever caught or relevant to the locations.

We basically don't use flashlights at all, which seems to be a staple of the vast majority of SWF groups. /shrug

[SuperEZpineapple]

Oh look this topic again

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