SWF is just a stupid decision on this game,i mean,really STUPID

[D4C]

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[Mister Grin]

The biggest problem with SWF is the fact that the original idea of the game was 4 separate survivors who couldn't communicate. You had to choose whether or not to help someone in trouble, or risk doing things with them to avoid being caught by the killer. Four scared survivors who couldn't communicate have a harder time caring about each other than if they all worked together.

When they're an organized team that can talk to each other regardless of your character's distance to other survivors, they've just eliminated one of the biggest advantages the killer has. When each of them have perks builds and item setups for specific purposes to be used in tandem with their teammates, the killer has even less of a chance.

A lot of a killer's power over survivors is robbed from them with the ability to play with friends over voice chat. Because of this, I'd rather like to see some sort of compensation bonus for killers who go up against SWF teams. Say, a 10% bonus to BP if it's a pair, 20% for 3 people, 30% for a full team? Or perhaps a chance to recover your add-ons, since Killer items are always consumed every match without a ward. Maybe your chance increases with how many survivors you manage to sacrifice?

That being said, SWF doesn't ruin the game like most people think, but it does certainly change the way you play when you go up against them constantly. Here's a few things I do.

1. Ignore the survivors who deliberately try to distract you. They'll often get your attention and immediately run off, or hang out near pallets waiting for you to notice them. The more time they spend trying to get your attention, the more time they spend NOT doing a gen. If it's convenient, smack them so they're forced to run off and heal, but don't chase. Their job is to waste your time, and they're good at it.

2. Don't feel bad about hanging out near a hook after stringing someone up. More often than not, they will follow you to the hook and wait for you to leave. Sometimes they even dive it right after you put them up, which is frustrating. Take your time checking around the hook for vultures. Nothing makes them more mad than getting caught being foolish.

3. They care too much about each other. You can use that to your advantage. They'll never leave someone to die on the hook, and they try to heal their teammates as quickly as possible. For this reason, Nurse's Calling is an amazing perk to use. Deerstalker can help to a lesser degree, because it will allow you to track them as they try to crawl over to their friends for healing/rescuing.

If they call you out, using terms like proximity camping, patrolling, tunneling, just remember that these people aren't used to losing and are venting their anger, using any and every reason to make themselves feel better by making you seem like a bad person. Don't listen to them. If you managed to beat a SWF team, you deserve the win just as much as they deserved to die despite their advantage.

Hope this helps. Good luck in the fog!

[ABCBABCBABC]

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A lot of a killer's power over survivors is robbed from them with the ability to play with friends over voice chat. Because of this, I'd rather like to see some sort of compensation bonus for killers who go up against SWF teams. Say, a 10% bonus to BP if it's a pair, 20% for 3 people, 30% for a full team? Or perhaps a chance to recover your add-ons, since Killer items are always consumed every match without a ward. Maybe your chance increases with how many survivors you manage to sacrifice?

The only way Survive with Friends will be balanced I think will be to ban those in SWF from using Offerings and bringing items, cut the amount of Perks they can use in half, and to grant the Killer more bloodpoints. The ability to communicate is a tremendous gift for a game that was not designed for it, and they need serious handicaps to balance that gift out.

We shouldn't really even be having this problem. This game should have been designed with SWF in mind from the start. This game was released in 2016, you can't release an online game on PC without being able to play with you friends. Say what you will about Friday the 13th, at least they created their game around communication and playing with friends.

[Mixed Herbs]

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I can't believe that in a multiplayer cat and mouse game ,they allowed people to team up before a match.OMG so outrageous!!! I think this game would be dead by now without SWF.Because solo playing survivor is almost never fun for most people.

They made a huge mistake for adding SWF. There is option KYF, If you want to play so much with your friends you can gang up there and play all you want. It offers you unlimited add-ons,items,perks so you dont have to grind at all and you can survive all you want. But I know why people want SWF, so they can bully and survive a lot easier against random killers.

I think SWF is necessary, it can be handles considerably better though, on another post someone had the idea to have a casual and ranked mode where both give BP but you can only do SWF on casual. IT's not balanced around SWF and honestly I wish the devs were on top of that more.

[yawnnn]

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Postat inițial de Grin of Crows:

A lot of a killer's power over survivors is robbed from them with the ability to play with friends over voice chat. Because of this, I'd rather like to see some sort of compensation bonus for killers who go up against SWF teams. Say, a 10% bonus to BP if it's a pair, 20% for 3 people, 30% for a full team? Or perhaps a chance to recover your add-ons, since Killer items are always consumed every match without a ward. Maybe your chance increases with how many survivors you manage to sacrifice?

The only way Survive with Friends will be balanced I think will be to ban those in SWF from using Offerings and bringing items, cut the amount of Perks they can use in half, and to grant the Killer more bloodpoints. The ability to communicate is a tremendous gift for a game that was not designed for it, and they need serious handicaps to balance that gift out.

We shouldn't really even be having this problem. This game should have been designed with SWF in mind from the start. This game was released in 2016, you can't release an online game on PC without being able to play with you friends. Say what you will about Friday the 13th, at least they created their game around communication and playing with friends.

Don't change the gameplay at all, just give the killer more BP and leave it at that. SWF's clearly have a bigger advantage so give the killer more points for facing a more difficult challenge and possibly make it easier to pip as well. You guys make it seem like it's impossible to beat SWF's without stripping them of their perks, offerings, etc. Killers beat 2-4 man SWF's all the time. It is difficult but it's happened a lot.

[Sahansral_GER]

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The only way Survive with Friends will be balanced I think will be to ban those in SWF from using Offerings and bringing items, cut the amount of Perks they can use in half, and to grant the Killer more bloodpoints. The ability to communicate is a tremendous gift for a game that was not designed for it, and they need serious handicaps to balance that gift out.

We shouldn't really even be having this problem. This game should have been designed with SWF in mind from the start. This game was released in 2016, you can't release an online game on PC without being able to play with you friends. Say what you will about Friday the 13th, at least they created their game around communication and playing with friends.

Don't change the gameplay at all, just give the killer more BP and leave it at that. SWF's clearly have a bigger advantage so give the killer more points for facing a more difficult challenge and possibly make it easier to pip as well. You guys make it seem like it's impossible to beat SWF's without stripping them of their perks, offerings, etc. Killers beat 2-4 man SWF's all the time. It is difficult but it's happened a lot.

You talk about winning, we talk about fun in a game. SWFs are not fun, they get dodged. BPs won't change that. So hard to understand?

[FrontlinerDelta]

SWF has kept the game alive, I'll acknowledge that.

Without it, this game would be probably dead or near it.

But the fact that the devs have yet to do ANYTHING to address the issue still is frustrating.

At the very least each SWF member of a lobby should get a -5% to all actions for each member (full four man is -15% to adjust for thier communication efficiency).

[yawnnn]

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Postat inițial de capTainT97:

Don't change the gameplay at all, just give the killer more BP and leave it at that. SWF's clearly have a bigger advantage so give the killer more points for facing a more difficult challenge and possibly make it easier to pip as well. You guys make it seem like it's impossible to beat SWF's without stripping them of their perks, offerings, etc. Killers beat 2-4 man SWF's all the time. It is difficult but it's happened a lot.

You talk about winning, we talk about fun in a game. SWFs are not fun, they get dodged. BPs won't change that. So hard to understand?

I don't think you've been reading anything on the forums that regards SWF's lately because if you haven't realized, SWF is what's keeping the game alive. It's not fun for Killers I agree but to handicap players because they want to play with their friends? That's not solving anything. This talk of SWF is just assuming everyone is using voice comms which isn't true. I'm sure many players including myself queue up with others from the community after a match just for fun but never use voice comms. Is that hard to uinderstand?

[Sahansral_GER]

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Postat inițial de Sahansral_GER:

You talk about winning, we talk about fun in a game. SWFs are not fun, they get dodged. BPs won't change that. So hard to understand?

I don't think you've been reading anything on the forums that regards SWF's lately because if you haven't realized, SWF is what's keeping the game alive. It's not fun for Killers I agree but to handicap players because they want to play with their friends? That's not solving anything. This talk of SWF is just assuming everyone is using voice comms which isn't true. I'm sure many players including myself queue up with others from the community after a match just for fun but never use voice comms. Is that hard to uinderstand?

It doesn't matter what you and your friends do. You can't be dinstinguished from unfriendly SWFs. What does matter is, that there aren't enough killers left who want to play against you.
You can't force anyone to play against you. Nobody plays a game that makes no fun. Do you disagree?

P.s. Handicapping SWFs won't help. It won't better the gaming experience for either side

[Mert]

Still there should be two modes, normal and ranked. I am sorry to say this but who on earth in this development studio thought it would be OK to premade a full 4 man team AND be able to rank up? Who? Matthieu? Queen?

[yawnnn]

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Postat inițial de capTainT97:

I don't think you've been reading anything on the forums that regards SWF's lately because if you haven't realized, SWF is what's keeping the game alive. It's not fun for Killers I agree but to handicap players because they want to play with their friends? That's not solving anything. This talk of SWF is just assuming everyone is using voice comms which isn't true. I'm sure many players including myself queue up with others from the community after a match just for fun but never use voice comms. Is that hard to uinderstand?

It doesn't matter what you and your friends do. You can't be dinstinguished from unfriendly SWFs. What does matter is, that there aren't enough killers left who want to play against you.
You can't force anyone to play against you. Nobody plays a game that makes no fun. Do you disagree?

P.s. Handicapping SWFs won't help. It won't better the gaming experience for either side

I've had games against SWF's where they've swarmed the hook and done the work for me by letting me down them all, and I've had games where I just got completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on. Like Killers say when they camp/tunnel a survivor, "play, deal with it, and move on to the next game" The major flaws in this game (SWF&Facecamping) aren't going away so report the players and move on.

[Sahansral_GER]

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Postat inițial de Sahansral_GER:

It doesn't matter what you and your friends do. You can't be dinstinguished from unfriendly SWFs. What does matter is, that there aren't enough killers left who want to play against you.
You can't force anyone to play against you. Nobody plays a game that makes no fun. Do you disagree?

P.s. Handicapping SWFs won't help. It won't better the gaming experience for either side

I've had games against SWF's where they've swarmed the hook and done the work for me by letting me down them all, and I've had games where I just got completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on. Like Killers say when they camp/tunnel a survivor, "play, deal with it, and move on to the next game" The major flaws in this game (SWF&Facecamping) aren't going away so report the players and move on.

Every killer "played, dealt with it and moved on" about a certain number of times and just realizes that he can easily avoid 10-20 minutes of frustration by either dodging or switching sides both by a mere second click. And he has every right to do so. It's the rational (and healthy) thing to do. A "deal with it" adressed to all killers won't change your situation a bit.

BTW, reporting isn't worth investing time in it in this game.

[Boodger]

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Postat inițial de capTainT97:

I don't think you've been reading anything on the forums that regards SWF's lately because if you haven't realized, SWF is what's keeping the game alive. It's not fun for Killers I agree but to handicap players because they want to play with their friends? That's not solving anything. This talk of SWF is just assuming everyone is using voice comms which isn't true. I'm sure many players including myself queue up with others from the community after a match just for fun but never use voice comms. Is that hard to uinderstand?

It doesn't matter what you and your friends do. You can't be dinstinguished from unfriendly SWFs. What does matter is, that there aren't enough killers left who want to play against you.
You can't force anyone to play against you. Nobody plays a game that makes no fun. Do you disagree?

P.s. Handicapping SWFs won't help. It won't better the gaming experience for either side

There are plenty of Killers left that are fine to deal with it. I would actually say that I find games and lobbies faster with a group of friends in SWF than I do when I solo lobby, and I would even go further than that and say that I see faaaar more game dodges when i solo than when I SWF. I can play 4 games in SWF in the time it would take to play 2 or 3 games solo.

[yawnnn]

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Postat inițial de capTainT97:

I've had games against SWF's where they've swarmed the hook and done the work for me by letting me down them all, and I've had games where I just got completely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on. Like Killers say when they camp/tunnel a survivor, "play, deal with it, and move on to the next game" The major flaws in this game (SWF&Facecamping) aren't going away so report the players and move on.

Every killer "played, dealt with it and moved on" about a certain number of times and just realizes that he can easily avoid 10-20 minutes of frustration by either dodging or switching sides both by a mere second click. And he has every right to do so. It's the rational (and healthy) thing to do. A "deal with it" adressed to all killers won't change your situation a bit.

BTW, reporting isn't worth investing time in it in this game.

They give you the option to dodge SWF's by checking profiles. If the profiles are private, then dodge if you feel they're a threat instead of posting the same whiny ♥♥♥♥ on the forums. Both sides face the same level of toxicity. The "deal with it" was something I mentioned that all Killers say to survivors when they facecamp/tunnel them. It's just as unfun as an SWF group abusing in game mechanics then disrespectring you at the gates. There's nothing to balance those two problems. Like I said before, handicapping survivors is just going to cause more problems. The game is good right now for both sides. Some Killers just need some rework to be better like the rest such as Wraith and Doctor.

[Lonewolf]

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no its not, its a survival mulitplayer horror game, if you dont like it play a single player game.

[Sirhc]

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i like to play games with my friends. were not always so competitive. so no, not a stupid idea.

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I play SWF w/ my girlfriend and literally I sacrifice her more than I do my random teammates. :Puglife:

You "literally" sacrifice your girlfriend? I wouldn't admit to that on here.