Questions about playing as a Monster?

[Farsight]

I watched a Let's Play of this game last year, it looked good, but I never picked it up. I'm thinking about getting into it now, but since I'd probably only ever play as a Monster, I'm wondering if it would be worth it.

What's the rough ratio between Monsters and Survivors, is it likely that I'll have to wait several minutes to get a game going? Or are there enough people wanting to play as Survivors that a game will get up and running within seconds.

Are the Monsters balanced, both among themselves and in comparision to the Survivors? Is there a clear this is the strongest Monster, and this is the weakest Monster, if so, what are they? Does the system heavily favor the Monsters, the Survivors, or is there reasonable level of balance between the two?

Are matches structured so the Survivors win or lose like a team, or whoever dies loses, and whoever survives wins? So would I need to catch everyone, or just one/some of them? Or is the Monster exempt from win/lose conditions, and uses a rating system to determine excellence?

In order to excel as the Monster will I have to adhere to a very strict tried but true mode of playing, or can I roleplay the Monster a bit, and/or make misteks, and still do reasonably well?

How long does a game normally take to finish, especially with an inexperienced Monster at the helm?

What is the ranking systems like, would I be pair with similarly inexperienced Survivors, or would be I expected to play against the best of the best right out of the gate?

[spookhouse]

Oh man... You might've picked the wrong time to ask some of those questions...

[Kilalhu]

probably should avoid the game if killer is what you are wanting to play

[Mook]

I would say you will end up playing both and playing both will probably help you as a killer.

[BitsOfSkin]

Ranks reset every month, so basically you could be playing against a former rank 10 guy who's been downranked.
And some people downrank on purpose because high level play isn't exactly fun.

[Ink Hyaena]

In the good days, you could get a match going in no time flat, as Killer. Maybe team of Survivors...5-20 minutes waiting. But just so you know, there's a huge deal going down right now with Survivors and Killers, most of the Killers going on strike because of the unbalances in game. Survivors have been struggling to play a game for the past 2 days now and it's only going to get worse.

[Donut Steel]

If you were my worst enemy and you killed my dog, I might just recommend the game to you if you want to mainly play the role of killer. As you are not, my humanitarian duty is to warn you off. The game is not the same game you likely saw in that stream.

No one knows the ratio of active killers to active survivors playing. I few weeks ago I asked for the dev stream and my question was chosen, but I expected them to be dishonest(they have been with every statistic they've released) so framed my question to allow for it. They chose the most narrow interpretation of it and gave the most narrow answer, which ended up actually misleading a lot of people.

The game needs 1 killer for every 4 survivors, the evidence from the match waiting times for survivors strongly indicates it's nowhere near that. The devs implied(but did not expliciitly state or clarify, leaving it open to confusion) that the balance was 1 killer for every 2.5 survivors, which would mean there are twice as many killers as needed. That is preposterous.

At low ranks(ranks 14-20) the game favours killer because people are unreliable, you don't know who you can depend on and survivors generally do require help from each other and also for people to not mess up quick-time event skill-checks when doing the generator objectives. The situation reverses completely as you move towards rank 1, in fact it's virtually impossible to win as a killer unless the survivors make mistakes.

[Jaded AF]

There are usually short queue times, currently there was a new survivor added and so survivor queue times are longer but that shouldn't affect you as a killer.

Currently the game is a bit survivor sided but I rarely get fewer than 2 kills. Side note that once you start playing you WILL Suck, but with some practice you will get better. There is a clear best and worst killer, in order of best to worst it goes :

Nurse, really powerful but hard to play
Hillbilly, not as powerful but a bit easier
Trapper, very effective and easy to use, a very good first character.
Myers (dlc) not as good, but fairly easy to play.
Wraith, not very good easy to play.
Hag(dlc) trash, don't play unless you are good and know what your doing.
All the killers can destroy rank one survivors if you can master them.

If a survivor dies they alone lose. Thekkiller is a bit different, 2 kills is generally average, 3 is good, 4 is great, less is bad. BUT, I have often killed no-one but gotten a lot of points. It's a lot better to judge based on points, 10-15 is average, 20 is great, above is amazing.

No not at all. I once got a 4 man after being ask in the beginning, another time they did all the generators before I even got 1 and I managed to kill 3.

10-15 mins.

9 times out of ten you will be with others of your own skill, just be warned you will Suck when you start no matter who you play with.

[Farsight]

Originally posted by WildHyaena:

In the good days, you could get a match going in no time flat, as Killer. Maybe team of Survivors...5-20 minutes waiting. But just so you know, there's a huge deal going down right now with Survivors and Killers, most of the Killers going on strike because of the unbalances in game. Survivors have been struggling to play a game for the past 2 days now and it's only going to get worse.

I was reading through the Manual, but I had a look through the pages at Thread titles. It does seem like a harsh time to be getting into this game as a Killer.

Originally posted by Arec Balrin:

If you were my worst enemy and you killed my dog, I might just recommend the game to you if you want to mainly play the role of killer. As you are not, my humanitarian duty is to warn you off. The game is not the same game you likely saw in that stream.

No one knows the ratio of active killers to active survivors playing. I few weeks ago I asked for the dev stream and my question was chosen, but I expected them to be dishonest(they have been with every statistic they've released) so framed my question to allow for it. They chose the most narrow interpretation of it and gave the most narrow answer, which ended up actually misleading a lot of people.

The game needs 1 killer for every 4 survivors, the evidence from the match waiting times for survivors strongly indicates it's nowhere near that. The devs implied(but did not expliciitly state or clarify, leaving it open to confusion) that the balance was 1 killer for every 2.5 survivors, which would mean there are twice as many killers as needed. That is preposterous.

At low ranks(ranks 14-20) the game favours killer because people are unreliable, you don't know who you can depend on and survivors generally do require help from each other and also for people to not mess up quick-time event skill-checks when doing the generator objectives. The situation reverses completely as you move towards rank 1, in fact it's virtually impossible to win as a killer unless the survivors make mistakes.

I do appreciate the warning, your post had initially put me off getting involved, but Potarus' post piqued my interest enough that I'm going to give it a try.

Would you say then that the Developers are biased towards Survivors, or perhaps just oblivious to the concerns of Killers?

[Kilalhu]

Originally posted by Farsight:

Would you say then that the Developers are biased towards Survivors, or perhaps just oblivious to the concerns of Killers?

both

[Guzma]

Originally posted by Farsight:

I watched a Let's Play of this game last year, it looked good, but I never picked it up. I'm thinking about getting into it now, but since I'd probably only ever play as a Monster, I'm wondering if it would be worth it.

What's the rough ratio between Monsters and Survivors, is it likely that I'll have to wait several minutes to get a game going? Or are there enough people wanting to play as Survivors that a game will get up and running within seconds.

Are the Monsters balanced, both among themselves and in comparision to the Survivors? Is there a clear this is the strongest Monster, and this is the weakest Monster, if so, what are they? Does the system heavily favor the Monsters, the Survivors, or is there reasonable level of balance between the two?

Are matches structured so the Survivors win or lose like a team, or whoever dies loses, and whoever survives wins? So would I need to catch everyone, or just one/some of them? Or is the Monster exempt from win/lose conditions, and uses a rating system to determine excellence?

In order to excel as the Monster will I have to adhere to a very strict tried but true mode of playing, or can I roleplay the Monster a bit, and/or make misteks, and still do reasonably well?

How long does a game normally take to finish, especially with an inexperienced Monster at the helm?

What is the ranking systems like, would I be pair with similarly inexperienced Survivors, or would be I expected to play against the best of the best right out of the gate?

Youre the fat kid and im Adam sandler
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You-
Gee Mr.Guzma i cant wait to buy DBD and play killer and become big and strong like Michael Myers!
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Me:
DONT YOU SAY THAT..
Dont you EVER buy this game! STAY AWAY for as looong as you can... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STAY AWAY!!!
YOU GOTTA STAY AWAY!!!
"grabs your face and shakes it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTN5NHfwlQ

[Donut Steel]

The devs are biased towards low rank players, because they are low rank themselves. The highest any of them have ever got is reported to be rank 12, not even half way to rank 1 which most people can reach simply by playing a lot because progress towards rank is almost impossible to not gain even if you lose a match as long as you are average.

So the devs get the impression that killers are a lot stronger than they really are, because they have zero experience as killer in high rank play. I guess that it's biased towards low rank rather than strictly survivor VS killer because one perk survivors have complained about a lot which hasn't been nerfed is Insidious; it turns off the terror radius of a killer which warns survivors they are near as long as the killer stands still for a few seconds. This perk is favoured in low rank play and the devs almost always seem to use it.

It just doesn't seem to occur to the devs that they need to address balance at high rank, because the problem at low rank is not balance issues caused by design, but the fact that a good player in low rank has to depend on others who are not good at all.

[kekko80]

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

Ranks reset every month, so basically you could be playing against a former rank 10 guy who's been downranked.
And some people downrank on purpose because high level play isn't exactly fun.

i feel like playing vs real good survivors (main killer here) it's really funny cause they are good and not like "oh ♥♥♥♥ what should i do?!" it starts to be frustrating when they just keep pallet looping for like all the game and using their flashlight

[Scarsick]

The game is supposed to be more challenging for survivors, but devs are scared ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to lose them, and a lot of them whine A LOT, so they keep giving them ez mode perks.

After a while they usually nerf said perks.

Killers whine a lot too, not as much as survivors, but they do. Right now there's this never ending whining about the new Billy perks.

You can have a lot of fun playing this, no matter if you're killer or survivor. However, don't expect to "win" all the time. The whiners in this community whine because they can't face defeat. Like I said, devs keep trying to make it easier for survivors. Killers whine about that, survivors keep whining because that's what they do.

[Jaded AF]

Originally posted by Farsight:

Originally posted by WildHyaena:

In the good days, you could get a match going in no time flat, as Killer. Maybe team of Survivors...5-20 minutes waiting. But just so you know, there's a huge deal going down right now with Survivors and Killers, most of the Killers going on strike because of the unbalances in game. Survivors have been struggling to play a game for the past 2 days now and it's only going to get worse.

I was reading through the Manual, but I had a look through the pages at Thread titles. It does seem like a harsh time to be getting into this game as a Killer.

Originally posted by Arec Balrin:

If you were my worst enemy and you killed my dog, I might just recommend the game to you if you want to mainly play the role of killer. As you are not, my humanitarian duty is to warn you off. The game is not the same game you likely saw in that stream.

No one knows the ratio of active killers to active survivors playing. I few weeks ago I asked for the dev stream and my question was chosen, but I expected them to be dishonest(they have been with every statistic they've released) so framed my question to allow for it. They chose the most narrow interpretation of it and gave the most narrow answer, which ended up actually misleading a lot of people.

The game needs 1 killer for every 4 survivors, the evidence from the match waiting times for survivors strongly indicates it's nowhere near that. The devs implied(but did not expliciitly state or clarify, leaving it open to confusion) that the balance was 1 killer for every 2.5 survivors, which would mean there are twice as many killers as needed. That is preposterous.

At low ranks(ranks 14-20) the game favours killer because people are unreliable, you don't know who you can depend on and survivors generally do require help from each other and also for people to not mess up quick-time event skill-checks when doing the generator objectives. The situation reverses completely as you move towards rank 1, in fact it's virtually impossible to win as a killer unless the survivors make mistakes.

I do appreciate the warning, your post had initially put me off getting involved, but Potarus' post piqued my interest enough that I'm going to give it a try.

Would you say then that the Developers are biased towards Survivors, or perhaps just oblivious to the concerns of Killers?

I'm glad, if you need any tips for winning or for good perks friend me and let me know, always glad to help a fellow player.

[Donut Steel]

Also, you may have been swayed by this single phrase used by Potarus: "All the killers can destroy rank one survivors if you can master them."

I can not say Potarus is a liar, because they might genuinely believe this. I can say there is zero truth in it. If the survivors make no mistakes, it is virtually impossible for you to win with any killer. The Nurse is very subjectively the strongest killer because most survivors have forgotten how to play against her- their current meta has made them very dependent on pallets, which she is almost impossible to block or hit with. Prior to this, Nurse was released and killers playing her immediately knew her weaknesses. Survivors whined for nerfs whilst killers tried explaining carefully how to counter her. Their patience was wasted because survivors kept complaining and two weeks after she was released, Nurse was given the hardest nerf any killer has ever received. Shortly afterwards, survivors miraculously discovered what killers were telling them about her weaknesses and she became a laughing stock.

Then pallets got uber-buffed with no justification at the end of September and survivors came to depend on them as a crutch. They forgot how to deal with Nurse and that's why she's back despite being no different from the version survivors ran circles round previously.

The pallet buff had some clearly unintended side-effects where combined with barely noticeable mechanics involving collision-boxes, survivors have 100% safe spaces scattered around each map.