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-I have a bad live and damaged I can't play other way
-I am special and therefore should be forgiven
I don't want too sound harsh here now but and this goes to everyone
It should be common sense that if you use a macroo (And that example [RECORDING OWN MOVMENT TO REEL IN] is one of the best) you get banned. Even if it is complex like that.
There is a section where you can read the FAW at the start of the Game the User end Agreemnt if you guys how are now complaining Would have read that. You would have know what you can do and what not.
But accept accept all the time. I don't read.
Again I am really sorry for my hars words. But I think they are justified right now. I can not belive who some people think. Really I.. I am just speechlees.
There are court judges who have laughed at companies who expect people to read through incredibly long EULAs. I don't know whether this game's EULA is long or not as I haven't read it.
Second, a EULA doesn't necessarily have a legal leg to stand on. It's dependant on jurisdiction.
Third, macro ability hasn't been clarified that i've seen as against the rules. That's an assumption.
Fourth, good luck telling the public they can't operate their hardware as they see fit when it doesn't interfere with the data stream or modify the client. You might as well pull the plug on the game now because the negative reviews you are going to be hit with after banning what's going to be most of your serious gamer population will kill the game anyway, on steam at least.
A macro mouse isn't a privilege of the elite, its standard gaming equipment. Like a good computer. And if you don't have either that's not the general public's issue.
Im on an I7-3770k with 16gb of Ram and im pulling 11 FPS. Granted I could use a video card update but this game isn't optimized and it requires a pretty good rig to run. The point being to illustrate suggesting a high end mouse is cheating because others use a 5 dollar one is a little ludicrous.
Don't missunderstand that the one complaining has recorded not only a simple macro but a reel in a complet one that always catches the whole fish for him in completition with him not need to do anything.
Tell me how common that is? Why not take a bot completly ?
EULA is not even a suspect here.
Macross are not dissalowed and if youw ant just go and leave the game if this rules is nothing for you
If the game forbids it so bee it then that is the decision of the developer. Not the decision of the people.
Please enlight me and tell me what macroo would not be an unfair advantage in this game? Anything?
The throw macro? = No because a throw can determine a good or bad spot
catch macro? = No because people can miss a strike
Reel in macro?=No hell no... not even gonna explain that?
Change Rod macro?=Yes use it noones gonna complain
Change tackle macro?= Yes please
Go to shore macroo?=Yes please do
My father plays this game on an 6 year old Laptop and it runs smooth somthing is wrong with you settings my friend. Or with your video card.
since the CPU doesn't madder when it comes to FPS (unless your GPU is so bad that it doesn't even have a name)
BTW it is early access no potimization done jet. There will be even a wipe lol for the full release
If you are talking about simply reeling line in from a poor cast, then no I don't think it's cheating if I had a macro to click and let run while you had to hold your button down. Buy a better mouse. It's not as if the person is going to fail to reel their line in if they werent manually holding that left click down. Actually I could foresee a snag potentially costing the macro user under certain circumstances.
A bot is something completely different. It's something that could be set and the person could walk away from the computer, head to bed and wake up the next morning having not played at all and succeeded.
In your argument it seems as if you are merging the two without distinction.
The game could mandate we all play on the same size monitor or that we all run the same internet speed but from a practical standpoint its just not feasible. You are correct in that the developer can do as they wish with their game and ban whomever they choose. But with high end mice being the standard nowadays I don't see a good ending coming from it.
hmm I understand what you mean and thanks for the nice discussion it is rarely that someone keeps there cool and remains logical in a discussion. Thanks for that
too your point.
Yes a reel in macro with nothing on it should not be a problem of course but a bot can also be in assist mode. Making it only usubale with playe rinput.
At the moment you can reel in every single fish not depending on the fight level when you just throw your mouse around and right klick fo the fraction of a second at least 2 times a second. Nothing will break and nothing will snap. and you always get the fish.
That is indeed a desighn flaw but if somone abbuses that flaw it is simply a exploid abbuse or a bug abbusse. and not somthing blamed on the devs. of course they need to fix it but people should not use it.
Yeah. That's an issue that needs to be tweaked. I never bothered right clicking as such because it would be monotonous on my fingers. The fight rhythm is the best part of the game and I prefer a good old fashioned tug of war. But whether the macro does that rapid double click or the human does they both land that fish.
I can, i'd guesstimate, do my stop and go down to a 1/4 of a second once I get in a rhythm. Its not hard when you use the sound of the reel for measures.
The assumption in this argument is that's why you have been banned. One at this point I really think is wrong because Alex stated bots and automatic fish catchers. He speaks english just fine so i'd assume he'd have stated mouse macros specifically if they were the issue.
Would not one have to know how to "fish this game" quite well to create a macro that was successful? I'm trolling here ..... sorry.
most people ive seen here call things a macro but its really just changing the keybind. instead of pressing + and - to set drag maybe change it to mouse three and four or changing line lead legnth keybind to Q and E forexample those are just rebinding a key because the standard one personally i think are pretty crappy and i wish i could change them THESE are not macros.
a macro is when you press a single button and it does two or more different actions with a single press that are usually able to be done at the same time without interrupting an internal or global cooldown (left clicking and right clicking at the same time), but it is all still just a single action everything binded to that key happens at the same time ,1 keypres = 1 action. most people that cheat will put actions that shouldnt be able to be done in just a single press or even something on press down and release for a single key. doing something like that is NOT a single actions that 2 actions for a single keypress which makes that second action automated. even most really popular MMO's ban people for having this feature.
like if someone was using a macro for double right click for twitching retrieval press down is one click release is a second click thats something that should be bannable. a bot is something that someone will turn on and it plays the game for them. a bot is a program that is automated and uses automated actions. they will put on the bot leave for a day or two and come back with max level and loads of money.
with this game i cant really see how thats done considering all the detail put into the game. but i could see it happen on very simple zone like getting trout. set up a very well timed auto clicker and auto confirmation into a bot with a programmed twitch method even IF someone could program a system to know where your net is full to skip to the next day and auto sell? .. youll get thousands of trout and millions of dollars in a few hours to whoever programs that. that shold very well be bannable.
it is a third party application and i cant really think of ANY game that wont ban players for using a third party application in their games to give a certain person an advantage. and seeing as I can not change my keybinds but these other ppl can with the use of a third party program .. it can get pretty abusive and we all know abusing a system for a game that doesnt actually support what youre trying to do. i say should be banned as well
There are several explanations and a lot of different levels of bots and macross
Example of a Third Level Bot:
MMOMINION
don't use it it is illegal
Such tools allow the user multiple instances of a game doing nothing other than login and play, mostly with the goal to farm ingame currency or providing power level services.
Second level Bot:
same as above
A second level bot is a bot that is fully implemented in the game but has no external launcher, you normaly hook a dll into the game executable or a *.hix into the HEX of the game memory to have a overlay kind of think that ASSISTS! (IMPORTAND) ASSISTS you doing stuff
Like a Wallhack, Aimbot, it still moves your mosue can give input or change your view without your direct input but a second level bot will not work without a human while a third level bot functions completly automatic
First Level Bot:
Same methode as before hook into the game to provide non infasive methodes like:
-3D Radar
-Wallhack
-Statistic advise (IEG Time till something happens, respawner)
Some companys even see DPS meters as First level Bots (Example FFXIV [Yes you get banned whne using DPS meter that hooks into the game but don't worry not every dps meter hooks into the game])
Soo thoes are the 3 different types of bots there is a 4th level bot but that would be too much information for a starter.
A Macro:
Depends on its complexity a Macro CAN be registered as a Hack or Bot that manipulats key binding.
The Problem with a Macro is that it uses alwys the exact same movments that is why they are mostly recognized as bots. (BTW good programmed bots have randome movment to prevent stuff like that) but a macroo doesn't have that.
What is a macro?
A macro is a series of keystrokes registered by a Human or other programm, it is normaly recorded for direct input so you can execute every single action again and again like the last time.
Why is it bad in the perspective of the game?
Well seeing as the game is right no there is no lose or gain, but in later tournaments being able to do a sink and drop, or a stop and go on the best level on a single keypress is extremly unfair too everyone actually trying to do it with there hands no matter how minimal that advantage it it is still an advantage.
So why use a macro if it is unfair?
Well there can be a lot of reasion the most easiest one is, everyone can use it and so it can't be bad right? It is such a small insifignicand act why should it be punishable? Like parking to close to a corner everyone does it so why should i not?
Another reasion are people who rely on macross for other games like shooter etc, they just get so used to use macross that doing it without is seen as a chore that simply to hard or to tiresome to do.
So why the fuss?
Well because in this particulair game where even a macro can change the catch and fish ratio it is still an advantage over everyone that doesn't use a macro and therfore punishable.
Soo the Macro is forbiden?
No, even after said all that there is no indicator for a macroo to be forbidden, that will of course change in a tournament but outside why should it?
The People complaining here are simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to other people, saying stuff like, shut up, go ♥♥♥♥ yourself etc, that is why they got banned from chat and now they try to blame it too macros. So don't worry too much and just enjoy the discussion.
Sorry for my bad english I hope it was understanable.
------TLDR:
Bots are programms making there own input
Macros are pre recorded series of keystrokes.
Sorry for bad english have a nice day.