Making sense of line, reel and rods

[hein.o]

I want to start of by apologizing for this stupid question, but google only says match x to y and don't tell me why and what happens with other combos IRL.

What I would like to know is why and what happens if you do something else. This is probably not the topic for a game but it would make sense for why I choose to do things in game.

Okay so rod is 5-10 lb and reel is 6-11lb. I presume you will use 6-10lb line with that.....just because the numbers match. In this case I have to REALLY lower the drag and let bigger fish (5lb) run all over the place so the line does not snap.

What happens if you use the same rod and reel with 20lb line? Does it give you the ability to crank up the drag a bit closer to the reel max and therefore hold the fish back or will I now snap the rod?

I just would like to make sense of consequences of choices. The game is teaching me stuff for RL situations which I find pretty cool.

I would sooner have someone who knows give me the correct info than me mismatching stuff in game that actually works but is incorrect.......because you subconscous mind may remember something from here that you tell someone IRL....which ends up being utter BS.

See where I'm going with this? :-)

[INTIMID883R]

Can't blame in on the pegs, they didn't place the fish. I have been preaching this since first CBT. There is absolutely no need to place the fish that far away.
Frankly I don't play the game much anynore for those 2 reasons. Drag has never worked properly and fish are ridiculasly to far away from the fishing places.

[Krhymez]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

Can't blame in on the pegs, they didn't place the fish. I have been preaching this since first CBT. There is absolutely no need to place the fish that far away.
Frankly I don't play the game much anynore for those 2 reasons. Drag has never worked properly and fish are ridiculasly to far away from the fishing places.

I catch Unique Northern Pike 100-200ft. Trophy and normals still hit around 60ft.

Muskies are about the same. Much has changed.

[INTIMID883R]

I have caught Unique (damn I hate that word to describe a big fish, I have yet to catch one with 2 heads, now that would indeed be Unique, but not just a bigger fish.) NP and Trophy Musky, and both were at 220 feet, each and every time. I refuse to have to cast that far to catch a damn fish.

[XentroDiMentro]

Originally posted by Krhymez:

Why do people keep saying it acts as a break?

It is working like a clutch, its really noticable when you use RMB, it lets out line when causing more tension. If it acted like a break it would not let the line out like that.

Line breaks are not really an issue anymore. The Thora rod with 20lb test can cast 220ft with a crackbait.(Seems like they listen to us Tony) On 3drag, i rarly go above 4 bars of tension on Unique Northern Pike and Trophy Muskie, which are about 30lb. A lot has changed and has been adjusted in the game.

The issue is all the youtube videos telling people to use really lite line... and then those people use the set ups and complain about the drag.

Sure back in August this might have been an issue, but it really is not as bad anymore.

If you have a 12lb line, 12lb reel, 12lb rod.... it does not mean you could lock drag on a fish less then that weight. Even small fish can create more force then their weight in the water.
And yes if you lock you must take the "Max Drag" into the calculation.

It acts as both, it gives out line, however also puts the pressure of the drag on the line itself. There is a very easy way to test this and see for yourself. Get your lure snagged and position your rod in such a way that you have as much tension as possible without having your drag give line.
Now turn up your drag. And guess what happens, your tension bar will go up, and your line will snap. Nothing changed, all i did was turn up my drag, yet suddenly my tension bar increased.

[INTIMID883R]

I know how drag works I fished for 50 yrs. I also know how it works in game, and it is badly broken.

[XentroDiMentro]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

I know how drag works I fished for 50 yrs. I also know how it works in game, and it is badly broken.

Exactly, its very obvious. Even simple math can tell anyone how broken it is. A 4.2kg max drag bait-caster set to drag stance 3, pulls a 4.5kg test line all the way in the red. Meaning that the drag has to be putting close to 4,5kg of pressure on the line instead of the supposed (4.2/6x3=2.1) 2.1kg.

I'm sure its a difficult problem to fix but i think that it should be of much higher priority than adding new content, seeing as its quite detrimental to the entire simulation part of the game.

[Krhymez]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

I have caught Unique (damn I hate that word to describe a big fish, I have yet to catch one with 2 heads, now that would indeed be Unique, but not just a bigger fish.) NP and Trophy Musky, and both were at 220 feet, each and every time. I refuse to have to cast that far to catch a damn fish.

Im saying they are not that far anymore. I have caught trophies as close as 60ft. Sure you can catch them out that far, but you dont need to.

[Flare |UKCS|]

There is definetly mechanical issues with the reel, like some have pointed out, my own observations lead me to believe the reels exert a force on the tackle (including the reel itself), and you can actually get situations where the reel is too strong for any fish.

You should be able to read the equipment and be able to buy and setup accordingly, yet its more of a case of trial and error, playing with combinations of setups, hence why players will tell you their exact setup.. one difference and the setup changes completely.

Drag on a reel should actually act like a resistance, at 100% it should prevent any line going out as long as the fish does not exert a force more than the reels drag rating, but instead the reel in this game exerts a force based on its drag rating thus adding more force to the setup than what the fish is exerting.

... another long term issue the devs have not commented on is the drag SETTING, or lack thereof.
7 settings (including 0) for all reels ? Ludicrous!
This isn't so easy to spot as an issue until you get far into the game, then you start to notice a lot of times when your drag is either too much or too low, and you can not fine tune it to suit.
The higher the drag rating on a reel, the worse it gets.
For a so called simulation this is a rather surprising ommision, I get the devs do not want to overly complicate the game but this is a bit too much... I would at least suggest a setting control from 0% - 100% and give us more control over the drag.

... and fix the reel mechanics / drag system please, or at least explain why it is ... we silly players do not understand your intention here.

[Knoxx212]

We kind of high-jacked this thread. I also have cut back on my play time due to the big fish being out 200'+. They give us 30 lb. gear then put the big fish where you need to use 8-10 lb line to reach them. In Californa I have had fun catching unique striper and trophy salmon on my 30lb set-up. I want to use that 30 lb set-up on the big musky and pike but can't.

They should implement a crude boat set-up where if you spend the bills you can fish a boat peg near the big fish. I also want bigger gear for bait fishing. Atleast 30 lb plus gear.

[Krhymez]

Originally posted by Knoxx212:

We kind of high-jacked this thread. I also have cut back on my play time due to the big fish being out 200'+. They give us 30 lb. gear then put the big fish where you need to use 8-10 lb line to reach them. In Californa I have had fun catching unique striper and trophy salmon on my 30lb set-up. I want to use that 30 lb set-up on the big musky and pike but can't.

They should implement a crude boat set-up where if you spend the bills you can fish a boat peg near the big fish. I also want bigger gear for bait fishing. Atleast 30 lb plus gear.

I mentioned it above. The Thora and Galaxy Cast can reach over 200ft with 20lb braid. This has been like this since the latest patch.

[INTIMID883R]

Originally posted by Krhymez:

Originally posted by Knoxx212:

We kind of high-jacked this thread. I also have cut back on my play time due to the big fish being out 200'+. They give us 30 lb. gear then put the big fish where you need to use 8-10 lb line to reach them. In Californa I have had fun catching unique striper and trophy salmon on my 30lb set-up. I want to use that 30 lb set-up on the big musky and pike but can't.

They should implement a crude boat set-up where if you spend the bills you can fish a boat peg near the big fish. I also want bigger gear for bait fishing. Atleast 30 lb plus gear.

I mentioned it above. The Thora and Galaxy Cast can reach over 200ft with 20lb braid. This has been like this since the latest patch.

Well some of us would prefer to use our Baitcasters, which is what we bought for heavy fish. The Thora is a limp noodle, and really a rod that long,, never heard of a spinning rod for fresh water anywhere near that length. That is one reason I don't like it. I really don't know where they come up with some of this stuff.

The drag is still messed up on that reel also, just as it is on all reels. When fish is fiirst caught, you can put no tension on him. Regardless of what you try to do to slow him down, no tension can be put of fish until he makes his run to the utterly riciculas distance, and then just lay there like a damn log for 20 mins before you can get him started back, just to make another free spool run just before you think you are about to land him.

[Krhymez]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

Originally posted by Krhymez:

I mentioned it above. The Thora and Galaxy Cast can reach over 200ft with 20lb braid. This has been like this since the latest patch.

Well some of us would prefer to use our Baitcasters, which is what we bought for heavy fish. The Thora is a limp noodle, and really a rod that long,, never heard of a spinning rod for fresh water anywhere near that length. That is one reason I don't like it. I really don't know where they come up with some of this stuff.

The drag is still messed up on that reel also, just as it is on all reels. When fish is fiirst caught, you can put no tension on him. Regardless of what you try to do to slow him down, no tension can be put of fish until he makes his run to the utterly riciculas distance, and then just lay there like a damn log for 20 mins before you can get him started back, just to make another free spool run just before you think you are about to land him.

The GalaxyCast is a bait caster rod. with 20lb test you can cast as far as 209ft.

I can use 3-5 drag on Normal Muskies and under.

For Trophy Muskies and Unique Pike i use 3drag.

[INTIMID883R]

Point here is 100 ft is a loooong cast for freshwater fishing. Should be no need to cast 200' at all, with any setup. There is no hook setting power with a cast that long. Drag is wrong regardless of the reel, and has been since first CBT. Fish AI is also messed up. So the combined elements that are the core of the game are in dire need of repair, and should be fixed sooner than later. It has been put off long enough.

[Knoxx212]

Originally posted by Krhymez:

Originally posted by Knoxx212:

We kind of high-jacked this thread. I also have cut back on my play time due to the big fish being out 200'+. They give us 30 lb. gear then put the big fish where you need to use 8-10 lb line to reach them. In Californa I have had fun catching unique striper and trophy salmon on my 30lb set-up. I want to use that 30 lb set-up on the big musky and pike but can't.

They should implement a crude boat set-up where if you spend the bills you can fish a boat peg near the big fish. I also want bigger gear for bait fishing. Atleast 30 lb plus gear.

I mentioned it above. The Thora and Galaxy Cast can reach over 200ft with 20lb braid. This has been like this since the latest patch.

Is that 30lb? Look at my post. I've used 20lb on them I want to see what 30lb is like on them. My Vortex has 32lbs of drag I would like to use it.