sinkers and bottom bait ?

[Aragorn]

please bring that to the game , in michigain very deep water and many nice fish like perch, walleyes ,rock bass, smallmouthbass ,bullhead it would bee awsome to get a trophy with bottom bait deep out , please please.

[BigBadger]

Originally posted by jackda3214:

Originally posted by aderek79:

Look around to find out what is planned for the game and you find that bottom fishing has been planned for a long time. Sinkers are even listed in the store as "coming..."

thing is this is a CORE part of fishing and SHOULD have been implimented before anything else. people can argue all they want, but bottom fishing is CORE and its how fishing started out. (other then hands/spears/nets) using lures for fishing shoulda have waited in this game. Not to mention the limitations they put on float fishing.. its a joke. should be able to put ANY lure on with a bobber. Any hook/line/reel/etc any fishing setup on any of the rods. And use those rods for both float /lure etc.

the game as it stands isn't realistic at all when it comes down to gear, how you can use that gear etc.

Sorry if you don't agree , but the truth is the truth. I hope someday they listen and make the proper adjustments.

The earliest method of fishing actually recorded uses hooks on a line, with a piece of twig or bark to keep the bait up, off the bottom. Thus enabling the hunter to catch all types of fish and not just bottom feeders, by adjusting the length of line inbetween his hook (a Thorn or carved piece of Bone or Antler) and the Bark Float. Bottom feeding is not the core of all fishing, Angling is. Fact.

However, firstly the main area of fishing encompassed by this game map is the USA. Where modern trends in fishing,within the past 50 or so years, have been first Float or Bobber techniques, followed by predominatley Lure and Spoon fishing.

Secondly, They all ready have plans to introduce fishing with Sinkers, which I am sure they will bring in as soon as they can. These things take time. I would also not be suprised that in a while they may introduce other techniques such as Fly Fishing, Drift/Sail Float Fishing, Spods for Carping, Live Baiting, Trolling from Boats, etc, etc.....

It takes time to develop any game, and with the many hundreds of fishing techniques known, it would be impossible to provide simulations of everything, and make every player happy. However the Devs I am sure, would love to recieve a very large cash donation, in order to be able to stop everything else they are doing and work solely on perfecting what you want in your FREE game, and get it done asap.

Furthermore I think the attitude within your post is somewhat lacking in tact, and basic manners. Please get your facts on the subject correct before jumping in with both your Waders on, and please have some respect, for the people that have worked so hard, to provide you with your FREE game. Moderators, am I allowed to say A5540LE?

[BigBadger]

References...
1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing_float

It is impossible to say with any degree of accuracy who first used a float for indicating that a fish had taken the bait, but it can be said with some certainty that people used pieces of twig, bird feather quills or rolled leaves as bite indicators, many years before any documented evidence. The first known mention of using a float appears in the book "Treatyse of fysshynge wyth an Angle" [3] written by Juliana Berners in 1496.

"All maner lynes that be not for the grounde must haue flotes, and the rennyng ground lyne must haue a flote, the lyeng ground lyne must haue a flote."

The method described, involved boring a hole through a cork so the line could be passed though and trapped with a quill. Later books such as "the Art of Angling"by Gerald Eades Bentley in 1577 and the classic work "The Compleat Angler" first published in 1653, written by Isaak Walton gave greater detail on fishing and using floats.

Prior to about 1800, anglers made their own floats, a practice that many still carry on today.[4] As angling became more popular, companies started to make floats in different styles to supply the growing demand. By 1921, companies such as Wadhams had at least 250 mainly celluloid floats in their catalog.[5]

Since those early days, the fishing float has become the subject of much practical and theoretical change. English anglers such as Peter Drennan (Drennan International)[6] and Kenneth Middleton (Middy Tackle) and American fishermen like Chicago's ex World Champion Mick Thill (Thill Floats) [7] have built up large companies designing and marketing fishing floats. The English companies have been supported by major league anglers such as Ivan Marks, Benny Ashurst and Billy Lane.

2) Lots more lovely F A C T S...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_fishing
3) Many papers here on Game development and problems...
https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=the+difficulties+in+developing+a+game

[darrren]

Originally posted by TheWhiteWabbit:

Originally posted by BigBadger:

It's gonna be soooo good. Call it ledger or feeder fishing round here. I used to do it a lot for carp with big feeders.

We have comnercial carp lakes around here but everyone uses really crude tactics and rigs. I'm trying to get into euro style carp fishing and feel like it would give me a huge advantage but I'm having difficulty deciding on a hook style. I've been using a particle mix of wheat bran, sweet corn, instant oats and maize flour and it works spectacularly well but I rarley get a good hookup. The bait is out for 5 - 10min and i'm already getting bites (probably just line bites or the fish hitting my mainline) but I have spent 5 - 6 hours and only managed to hook up with one fish. Any hook length and hook style recommendations?

if your using particles on a hair or small boilies i use a s8 wide gape tieing a hair for the bait then use a knotless knot i also find if im geting a lota miss bites try shortening the hook legnth just as a good starting lengh i use a 9" hooklink on a fixed lead<safty clip > or inline safe leads if your still geting a lot of misses try increasing hook size by 1 size if the fish are spooky some times having a verry short hook lengh does the trick too :D hope this helps :D also if your geting a lot of line bites and your fishing close<margines and not 100m out try slackening your line off and not having it tight to the lead :D

[boogadooga]

Originally posted by darrren:

Originally posted by TheWhiteWabbit:

We have comnercial carp lakes around here but everyone uses really crude tactics and rigs. I'm trying to get into euro style carp fishing and feel like it would give me a huge advantage but I'm having difficulty deciding on a hook style. I've been using a particle mix of wheat bran, sweet corn, instant oats and maize flour and it works spectacularly well but I rarley get a good hookup. The bait is out for 5 - 10min and i'm already getting bites (probably just line bites or the fish hitting my mainline) but I have spent 5 - 6 hours and only managed to hook up with one fish. Any hook length and hook style recommendations?

if your using particles on a hair or small boilies i use a s8 wide gape tieing a hair for the bait then use a knotless knot i also find if im geting a lota miss bites try shortening the hook legnth just as a good starting lengh i use a 9" hooklink on a fixed lead<safty clip > or inline safe leads if your still geting a lot of misses try increasing hook size by 1 size if the fish are spooky some times having a verry short hook lengh does the trick too :D hope this helps :D also if your geting a lot of line bites and your fishing close<margines and not 100m out try slackening your line off and not having it tight to the lead :D

Absolutley! Thank you very much! one last question. I hear of guys sometimes using braid as a leader material because of it's supple nature but I am worried about injuring the fish's mouth (I tried if for catfish once and it cut his lips pretty badly) so should I go with mono or some other stiff material for my leader?

[darrren]

Originally posted by TheWhiteWabbit:

Originally posted by darrren:

if your using particles on a hair or small boilies i use a s8 wide gape tieing a hair for the bait then use a knotless knot i also find if im geting a lota miss bites try shortening the hook legnth just as a good starting lengh i use a 9" hooklink on a fixed lead<safty clip > or inline safe leads if your still geting a lot of misses try increasing hook size by 1 size if the fish are spooky some times having a verry short hook lengh does the trick too :D hope this helps :D also if your geting a lot of line bites and your fishing close<margines and not 100m out try slackening your line off and not having it tight to the lead :D

Absolutley! Thank you very much! one last question. I hear of guys sometimes using braid as a leader material because of it's supple nature but I am worried about injuring the fish's mouth (I tried if for catfish once and it cut his lips pretty badly) so should I go with mono or some other stiff material for my leader?

i use braid and not had any damage to the fish but as i said i only use short hooklinks mostly;) also floro is real good as it is preety much invisable in the water and near on imposable to tangle so floro is perfect for distance fishing and its perfect for margin work so id say go for floro but just remember to use a loop link on the swivel to give it a lil flexability :D and always make sure you wet knots when tightening them up i also blob the tags with a lighter just to make sure the knot dont slip :D

[boogadooga]

Originally posted by darrren:

Originally posted by TheWhiteWabbit:

Absolutley! Thank you very much! one last question. I hear of guys sometimes using braid as a leader material because of it's supple nature but I am worried about injuring the fish's mouth (I tried if for catfish once and it cut his lips pretty badly) so should I go with mono or some other stiff material for my leader?

i use braid and not had any damage to the fish but as i said i only use short hooklinks mostly;) also floro is real good as it is preety much invisable in the water and near on imposable to tangle so floro is perfect for distance fishing and its perfect for margin work so id say go for floro but just remember to use a loop link on the swivel to give it a lil flexability :D and always make sure you wet knots when tightening them up i also blob the tags with a lighter just to make sure the knot dont slip :D

Thank you a million times! : D

And when you say short hook lengths I assume <6"?

The common practice here it to use 7" of nylon string as hooklength and a #1 offset hook with a 1oz egg sinker, a piece of foam just hooked through the middle as hook bait and just to pack the particle bait around the hook (I think thats why they call it packbait around here) and simply hope for the best. But It seems that nobody catches reliably and nobody cares to figure out why.

[dwbarefield]

I'm used to fishing for chinook salmon using a techique called back bouncing. Y hook up with sinker on one leg of the Y hook and bait on the other. Caught a 76 lb Chinook on that setup

[darrren]

in the uk we use hair rigs on our hooks worth lookin up how to tie 1 <its realy simple once you learn it> then we thread the bait on the hair and the hook is exposed all the time<no bait on the hook>with a rig like this if its not used there it will pull a lot of fish if i use 3 pieces of corn on a hair id use a 8-6 max ive never used a hook as big as a 1 for carp in the uk ive had carp upto 34lb i think in the uk wee try to fine tune our stuff a lil more than you do by the sound of it :Drealy worth looking up how to tie and use a hair rig as itsdesignd that if a fish picks up the bait the fish feels the hook spits the bait out <by spitin the bait it flips the hook seting it then fish bolts hits waight of the lead which sets the hook more > :D

[darrren]

Originally posted by dwbarefield:

I'm used to fishing for chinook salmon using a techique called back bouncing. Y hook up with sinker on one leg of the Y hook and bait on the other. Caught a 76 lb Chinook on that setup

i use a setup like this for barbel on the river real nice and basic and brilliant cant beat this on flowing water :D

[boogadooga]

Originally posted by darrren:

in the uk we use hair rigs on our hooks worth lookin up how to tie 1 <its realy simple once you learn it> then we thread the bait on the hair and the hook is exposed all the time<no bait on the hook>with a rig like this if its not used there it will pull a lot of fish if i use 3 pieces of corn on a hair id use a 8-6 max ive never used a hook as big as a 1 for carp in the uk ive had carp upto 34lb i think in the uk wee try to fine tune our stuff a lil more than you do by the sound of it :Drealy worth looking up how to tie and use a hair rig as itsdesignd that if a fish picks up the bait the fish feels the hook spits the bait out <by spitin the bait it flips the hook seting it then fish bolts hits waight of the lead which sets the hook more > :D

That's what I'm trying to get the hang of

[BigBadger]

You have got to love threads like this man. Some great information sharing. I love it.

[INTIMID883R]

This map is not Europe it's not UK it is NA and we don't use timers and alarms ot match rods. Save all that for the Euro Maps that come out.

[BigBadger]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

This map is not Europe it's not UK it is NA and we don't use timers and alarms ot match rods. Save all that for the Euro Maps that come out.

To be fair, that would make sense.

[boogadooga]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

This map is not Europe it's not UK it is NA and we don't use timers and alarms ot match rods. Save all that for the Euro Maps that come out.

Implying that me a guy living in the NC mountains has no right to using european tactics. Who cares where it's popular? If it's a viable method then I'll use it. Furthermore I don't catfish with a float! I use 2 rods in a pod with buzzers. If you don't like it then you don't have to do it, nobody will force you to.

[darrren]

Originally posted by INTIMID883R:

This map is not Europe it's not UK it is NA and we don't use timers and alarms ot match rods. Save all that for the Euro Maps that come out.

we got off subject were talkin irl not the game :D