"Fish was too strong, please upgrade your tackle" - RANT

[DGeorge85]

I lost an elusive arapaima at level 61 with a Majesty setup after waiting quite awhile to hook it. For good measure I leveled up to 62 and left the lake to get the most recently unlocked Spell Launcher and new reel. I waited another long while to hook another only to figure out it's still not enough to meet some new arbitrary threshold.

Frankly, I couldn't have come up with something more unnatural feeling if I tried. A proper fix to an exploit should go unnoticed by the legitimate player. Finding out after the fact that a fish cannot be caught for no other reason except that some artificial threshold wasn't met is completely unsatisfactory, especially for something self-described as "highly realistic" and "fishing simulator".

My goal would be to see a change, but something tells me the people writing the code are already fully aware of how cheap the "fix" was. Of course they could have, and probably wanted to do better, but it's likely out of their hands anyways.

[Senaru]

I can't say I like this change myself, I'm sure there could have been another way to fix the exploit, though I kind of also think if you're skilled enough to reel something massively strong in on a line well below the weight for it, I don't think that should be disabled. I know back in the day I unexpectedly hooked a massive unique of a species I wasn't fishing for and the fight was long, and harrowing, but I managed to do it.

Now if something like that happens, a player is just gonna see that message and wonder what even happened, not even getting the chance to play hardball with a big fish.

I know WHY they made this change, but....Idk, I wish it worked different.

[DGeorge85]

The problem as I see it is that they are incapable of, or unwilling to spend the resources necessary to create fish fighting that resolves these issues naturally, so they just create some artificial threshold and pop up a message.

The same goes for the message that is something like, "the fish is not tired enough...blah blah". Their fish fighting does not meet some standards they have, and in this case instead of fixing it, they pretty much just added a timer. If you get a fish in faster than some arbitrary time...nope you can't have it yet, and here's a message for you. The fish is "X" pounds and your gear is rated "Y" pounds...nothing breaks, no fight, nothing. You can't have it, and here's a message for you.

So now not only do we have years of stagnant game play that feels the same as it ever did, the developers are choosing to wall off their self admitted broken fish fighting with arbitrary thresholds and pop-up messages. These are the standards of the last century...

All of it is a sad excuse for what is supposed to be a realistic fishing simulator in 2023 that has had years of time with subscription-based, as well as non-stop DLC income.

Who knows, maybe it's a vicious cycle where you must use all DLC/subscription revenue to produce more DLC... to produce more DLC, on and on etc. just to barely scrape by and make a dime with no room for actual fixes to broken game design.

[**********]

Surely a better implementation of "the fish is too big for your gear" would be to implement some sort of accelerated wear. You fight the fish, it's still not tired and you either watch your gear go red and get ground to zero where it breaks, or you release the drag on the reel until it escapes or you cut your line. No silly messages required, except possibly some warning icon that this is to occur.

[sirkipalot]

Simple answer fix the bloody game. 89lb young nile perch towing a 3 ton boat up and down the river . Artificial fighting mechanic as in you are not in any way fighting the fish and you are not impacting the fatigue level. All these Bigger fish have set timers you are better off just standing there holding the rod as your wear will be significantly less.

Remember there are broken fish (rogues) no matter what you do you will never land them. I know that for a fact it happens on uni arapaima I have had 6 or 7 that just go on a busmans tour of the river . Once I actiually played one for 2 real hours 8 in game hours and had to cut the line and that was with the strongest set up for level 70 (pre congo tackle)

Long and short of it is. They tried with good intentions to try and make 1 part of the game a little more realistic without having a clue what realistic fishing is. Broke it tried to redress the balls up and made it worse and now put a great big band aid on the game when they should of just left well alone.

[Trulight911]

I'm just happy they went with what they did, and not some of the other ideas they had like breaking your line/stuff, when ya hook into one, they mentioned that on discord. Does it mean it's a good fix, I dunno, but I wish they would of given us info on the thresholds, as far as I can tell so far it's like Drag X 2.4 is what you can catch up to, until like the last 2 or 3 higher level areas. Then it's like Drag X 4 to 5.

[Enjoy The Journey]

Still kind of new to this game; it's sad to read all of this.

[Ciemmevu]

"Fish was too strong, please upgrade your tackle" i can't belive it... if happen to me i unistall the game wth

[Sup_DiM0N]

I think it should spool you or break your rod and reel and only then give you that message and maybe you will learn a lesson;-)

[sirkipalot]

Originally posted by Sup_DiM0N:

I think it should spool you or break your rod and reel and only then give you that message and maybe you will learn a lesson;-)

I think that would be a big step back to the days when that happened all the time. I mean for me that is how it should be. I know everyone of us has been fishing IRL for smaller species only for some huge lunk to take the bait and disappear with bait leader and all or spooled.

I just don't like the premise its for realism. There's 1001 things that need that treatment so unless you do them all just to do 1 just messes with progression and cost more for the newer players. Knowing your gear will handle x3 the rated bench mark would be much better as you can fish lighter and still be able to land larger fish albeit if it takes a little longer but isn't that how it is supposed to be?

[Sup_DiM0N]

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Originally posted by sirkipalot:

Originally posted by Sup_DiM0N:

I think it should spool you or break your rod and reel and only then give you that message and maybe you will learn a lesson;-)

I think that would be a big step back to the days when that happened all the time. I mean for me that is how it should be. I know everyone of us has been fishing IRL for smaller species only for some huge lunk to take the bait and disappear with bait leader and all or spooled.

I just don't like the premise its for realism. There's 1001 things that need that treatment so unless you do them all just to do 1 just messes with progression and cost more for the newer players. Knowing your gear will handle x3 the rated bench mark would be much better as you can fish lighter and still be able to land larger fish albeit if it takes a little longer but isn't that how it is supposed to be?

I'm being sarcastic didn't you see that I winked?

[sirkipalot]

Originally posted by Sup_DiM0N:

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Originally posted by sirkipalot:

I think that would be a big step back to the days when that happened all the time. I mean for me that is how it should be. I know everyone of us has been fishing IRL for smaller species only for some huge lunk to take the bait and disappear with bait leader and all or spooled.

I just don't like the premise its for realism. There's 1001 things that need that treatment so unless you do them all just to do 1 just messes with progression and cost more for the newer players. Knowing your gear will handle x3 the rated bench mark would be much better as you can fish lighter and still be able to land larger fish albeit if it takes a little longer but isn't that how it is supposed to be?

I'm being sarcastic didn't you see that I winked?

I know but your right and if like many players who have never fished b4 FP how are they ever going to learn about tackle and its limits. I reckon everything should have a min-max (true max) then any mishaps well cant say we told us so lols

[Sup_DiM0N]

Just a thought, what if they make this so just before your equipment will experience catastrophic failure beyond repair the game will stop the fight with that message and after that you can't use your equipment unless you travel back home and repair it. That way you don't loose your rods & reels.
Then how will you get achievements like reel or rod breaker?

[Red River]

I just had one last night 8(
my first uni after going thru two locations without a single one.
I was lure casting from ashore.
was this change to stop the boat exploit? if so then should only apply to unanchored boat fishing...

[Trulight911]

Originally posted by Red River:

I just had one last night 8(
my first uni after going thru two locations without a single one.
I was lure casting from ashore.
was this change to stop the boat exploit? if so then should only apply to unanchored boat fishing...

Yeah, change to stop that exploit, the rod one, and the undergearing one, and to be honest with you it's a minor inconvenience compared to what it fixes. I just wish they would of give more detailed info on the fix, and threshold.

[Trulight911]

Originally posted by Sup_DiM0N:

Just a thought, what if they make this so just before your equipment will experience catastrophic failure beyond repair the game will stop the fight with that message and after that you can't use your equipment unless you travel back home and repair it. That way you don't loose your rods & reels.
Then how will you get achievements like reel or rod breaker?

Rod breaker buy a light feeder rod, load on heavy weight/line/reel, and toss break each rod tip that's 3 rod breaks.
Reel breaker use heavier line/rod, and max drag the reel.