anti max-drag crowd

[Noquid]

I've fished my whole life (62 yrs old) and when it comes to drag, you want enough the slow the fish down a bit to help wear him out. Usually I have more than enough drag and don't "max" my drag. In this game though, you have to try to have your max-drag slightly less than the line for multiple reasons:
1. It takes a long time to reel in fish in this game. If you have a drag set to 30% - 50% of your line strength, you will be fighting that fish till bedtime.
2. You don't unlock higher strength line till much higher levels vs. unlocking reels. If you have a reel that can hold 30 lb braid, you don't unlock the line until level 37 but you can buy the reel around levels 15-17.
3. You have to catch fish as fast as possible. Perfect example is I'm level 39 and started going to Saint Croix Lake. It costs 17k to go there for the first day. That is almost exactly what my FishNet could hold. So the first day is just paying for the cost of being there! I've since purchased a bigger FishNet but you still have to grind fish or you're not going to make money. Fighting every fish for abnormally long periods of time will just push people away from the game imo.

So I don't understand why developers seem to want to force people away from max-drag. The CalistoXS 1400 has a max braid strength of 6 lbs and a max drag of 5.75 lbs. What are you supposed to do?

[Trulight911]

They aren't going to change it, and 20-30 of us in the testing session already covered everything you could possibly bring up with the new system, and they kept it, not gonna change.

[Noquid]

I was reading all the pro/con of the patch and am confused. What does "removed max drag" mean? My reel takes 11 lb line, so I'm using 10 lb line and the max drag on the reel is 9.5 lb (pretty sure). So what is being removed? Is it the glowing red crap on top of the red bars? So now we have to just stare at the reel/rod/line status? Is that what they mean? I have to stare at a lure image on top-right to fish, then stare at 3 equipment status bars when/if a fish is hooked.

[Ozzys_Dad]

Originally posted by Noquid:

I was reading all the pro/con of the patch and am confused. What does "removed max drag" mean? My reel takes 11 lb line, so I'm using 10 lb line and the max drag on the reel is 9.5 lb (pretty sure). So what is being removed? Is it the glowing red crap on top of the red bars? So now we have to just stare at the reel/rod/line status? Is that what they mean? I have to stare at a lure image on top-right to fish, then stare at 3 equipment status bars when/if a fish is hooked.

If your line is stronger than the max drag on your reel your reel will wear down quicker. Your setup might not be that bad since there is only .5 pound difference. people who use very strong line(like say 89 pound with max drag of test on a reel with max drag of 70 pounds) run the risk of breaking their reel very quickly.

[Noquid]

So what do they WANT us to do? What if I just adjust my drag down one click? That would bring my drag to about 7-7.5 lbs for 10 lb line. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do, what do the devs want a player to set their line-strength vs. drag ratio at? Can anyone answer that? IRL drag is normally anywhere from 30-50% of line-strength, but in this game having drag that low will mean extremely long tussles with fish resulting in more gear wear, less fish caught and less money made. So back to my first comment, what do they want us to do? Saying "removed max drag" but not saying what a player should do just makes people frustrated.

[NewbieFisher]

Originally posted by Noquid:

So what do they WANT us to do? What if I just adjust my drag down one click? That would bring my drag to about 7-7.5 lbs for 10 lb line. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do, what do the devs want a player to set their line-strength vs. drag ratio at? Can anyone answer that? IRL drag is normally anywhere from 30-50% of line-strength, but in this game having drag that low will mean extremely long tussles with fish resulting in more gear wear, less fish caught and less money made. So back to my first comment, what do they want us to do? Saying "removed max drag" but not saying what a player should do just makes people frustrated.

Simple, match line/reel/rod/leader all as close as possible, take 1 click of drag out. Boom balanced and optimal.

[Greenman]

for me max drag setting = no drag in this game, and IRL

why would u think u should be able to fish with locked drag and not get gear damaged if the fish is pulling harder than your gear can handle?

i click down from max = the fish can move at 'max drag', but not locked

i understand upset people mighta been using this as some kinda exploit previously but its about time they fixed it if so...

use proper setups... still doesnt fix the other list of issues game has tho....

[EazyLee]

The issue I see is that the setup quality doesn't reflect the performance, It was too easy to land fish pre-patch but the way they've handled it makes absolutely no sense. There's no point in correctly setting up rods anymore as the drag strength no longer corresponds with the line strength.

Hopefully they can correctly balance this in the future, I'm only level 15 on steam and level 13 on the ps5 so I havent even experienced any of the stronger fish to catch yet, I can imagine thats an even bigger pain at the moment

[Greenman]

i used to always have my drag set down 1 from max, and my lines would be matched to the setups - never broke a single rod or reel in this game and had some ok fights that felt semi realistic at least...

any fish pulling harder than my max drag would just take line ... gear slowly wore over time, usually the line first.... thats how its meant to be

after patch it literally feels the same to me... but then again i dont and never has maxed out my drag (aka locked, with no drag)

[Killerwhale]

Small description: What do we do with max drag and why?

Previously (long, long ago), setting the reel to max drag works the following way - if the force of the fish overpowers your tackle and the reel is the weakest part, it starts to take the damage. After some fixes, we removed the damage from the reel at the max drag setting. This causes exploitation with a weak reel setup to take no damage during the fish fight. Now, we let the reel take damage but slowed it down significantly.

So, the drag setting works as usual, but now the reel will take damage if the fish overpower your reel significantly on closed drag. You will have about 200 seconds to destroy your reel under 100% force load.

[Killerwhale]

Originally posted by Trulight911:

They aren't going to change it, and 20-30 of us in the testing session already covered everything you could possibly bring up with the new system, and they kept it, not gonna change.

Yes, because it's logical to have the damage system work. And without these changes, you can just put a weak reel and not bother about force load and damage...
But we are always open to discussion and changes.

[OldAces-noneya]

It's all about the *Math at the end of the Day

[OldAces-noneya]

Once again I'll Say: Thank you *Killer & Your Dev Team for all the Work you've Put into *Fishing Planet over the Past 8 years for all Players can have a Bit of Fun. Thank You *Killer for Being "patient" with All of US lol. (Free *Patience DLC's) come to Mind?

[Greenman]

sounds like you fixed a long overdue problem that i cant believe people are mad about being fixed really...

on the other hand - i suppose since you took so long to fix it, it does make sense why they are mad because they became accustomed to it.

the damage system should work, good job..

plz fix the insane grind.... and also give fish some more energy, i just spent an hour pulling in 40-80kg arapaima that get tired after 2-3 seconds...

i read in the patch notes u made it so u cant just pull fish in quickly but its still not working.... altho im on a boat so it does make it easier, but u need to sort some code out coz its STILL not working, they just are too easy to catch.

make them harder to catch but bump the xp or reduce how much u need per level (significantly)... make the game about going for high scores/personal bests and competitions, not about grinding for 3000 fish to reach the next lake

[WizardFinger]

In real life, it depends on the fish. I might use something like a "max drag" to yank a bass out of cover but that bass can't really go on a big run. If I try the same thing with a salmon or something, it will pull all my line out and the line will break. My reel and rod really won't get damaged unless it's only slightly under-matched - like the fish is pulling too hard for the gear but not hard enough to just pull the line out and break it.

But this is a video game and most of it is unrealistic. If we're going to start addressing things that are unrealistic there are loads of better places to start. For example, is it realistic that I catch a unique fish in the same location at the same time every day? Is it realistic that I win fishing competitions by casting 10 feet to the same rock over and over? Not just on one day but every single time?

Fishing planet is absolutely filled with unrealistic things because it is a game. To say this max drag change is in favor of realism vs just making low levels buy dlc (dlc rod can be repaired!) is a little disingenuous, imo. There are so many things to fix in this game. Big carp tournament is coming up so do we fix ground bait recipes? NO, we break rod stands because we're trying to take away "exploits". It's hard for me to believe that realism is the primary concern here.

[Noquid]

Originally posted by Killerwhale:

Small description: What do we do with max drag and why?

Previously (long, long ago), setting the reel to max drag works the following way - if the force of the fish overpowers your tackle and the reel is the weakest part, it starts to take the damage. After some fixes, we removed the damage from the reel at the max drag setting. This causes exploitation with a weak reel setup to take no damage during the fish fight. Now, we let the reel take damage but slowed it down significantly.

So, the drag setting works as usual, but now the reel will take damage if the fish overpower your reel significantly on closed drag. You will have about 200 seconds to destroy your reel under 100% force load.

Thank you for the info! Do the new glowing red warnings on the line/rod/reel indicator represent the max-drag damage or would that happen on normal/optimal settings as well? I've seen both the line and the reel glow red, not just the reel. I want to say I was seeing the glowing red status on my ultralight setup with drag at 4-of-6 but need to double-check.