Live baits way too OP compared to some other baits ? (your comments and opinions welcome)

[BonPadre]

I was fishing lately with live baits, and that question really striked me.
In this game I have never been really a float fishing guy, I made most of my journey through lure fishing.

Now in my later playing time, for a change and as I don't really care much for efficiency, I tried some float fishing on fishes I know I am usually efficient enough whilst lure fishing them.

But as I hate spreadsheet fishing and the standard "well known method" I tried various baits that are less used than the small or large minnows and the shiners, but that are reported as working baits.
Now as I'm not as good as some others while floatfishing, I'm under the impression that live baits are so much more efficient that it makes the use of other baits (ofc if livebaits apply to the target fish) very often not so much "likable".

What I try to imply is that. Devs put much effort into :
- creating many baits
- Writing to fishes and baits texts as to what works for wich fish
- Code those to apply to catching rates
- And sometimes on some waterways you have many hints that one thing may work, but usually does not really apply into an efficient incentive way to catch some fishes. (like dragonflies on lakes where they fly around you, or places where you hear frogs)

So my questionning is that.
Why pour so muchdeveloppement time and effort, only to finally code things in a way that there are so few things that are showcased on vids to be efficient way to catch certain fishes ?

I mean, if I go by the Ubersheet Project, I see frogs apply to only one fish as an afficient way to catch uniques/trophies. If I go by YouTube vids you mostly see minnows, shiners and cutbaits used...

if there were a real use or balance I would guess I would be able to witness way more tips either in game chat, on YouTube, or on on forums/guides stating other things than the most comons...

There are so few incentives to use different things... why waste so much time and effort in developpement if you don't code them to be interesting enough for players to use, either by a way higher price on efficient livebaits, so early game you don't really have a use for them, and you have to find other ways to bobberfish, or make other baits way more efficient, so one could decide to go a cheaper bait...

So my question, is : Am I wrong to think that some baits (mostly live baits and cutbaits) are way too OwerPowered, or is it only because the vast majority of players (including me that had put some effort into trying various things) can't find a decent way to make things happen ?

And if I'm right about too OP baits, then is it bad for the game, reducing it to finally it's most disproportionately small usefull elements in game, neglecting the larger choices we could have and making it way too shallow/bland as opposed to coding things differently so it could be interseting to go for various ways to fish ?

[76561198407277465]

:DD yes dude for big predatory fish is better use shiners, shrimp, cuttbait, frog, crawfish ......... and more bait like this.

This smaller bait use for crappie, bluegill - (sunfish, panfish) Worms, grasshopers..........

Spinning is effective only for fev fish, bass, trout, pike, walley, salmon, yellowperch
you have chance catch some crappie, panfish for UL. gear.
But many big predatory fish prefer live bait. And, in this game you catch only big fish.
smaller trout +/- 25 - 30cm same for perch and more. In this game you have manny trophy fish 3-5 in one hour = 15real min.

[todlesstod]

If they add explosives in this game, they will still be weaker than shiners.
I probably used shiners 1000 times more than the second bait, probably cutbait or minnows. Night crawlers are pretty good also.
Corn, peas, and a lot of others seem to be mostly useless.
Basically there is no balance with the baits, some are just waste of money.

[Ace Lightning]

and now they will probebly nerf the crap out of those baits too ,just so you can catch less fish and be forced to spend money on the game ,

[gwheels65]

If u fish in rl u would soon see that live bait is truely much more effiecient than artifical bait

[King Of Essex]

Originally posted by Ace Lightning:

and now they will probebly nerf the crap out of those baits too ,just so you can catch less fish and be forced to spend money on the game ,

AHHA I SAY, IN THAT CASE I will use lures and stick to my lemons

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by gwheels65:

If u fish in rl u would soon see that live bait is truely much more effiecient than artifical bait

I was not referring to that comparison for one... I'm not comparing silicone crayfish and natural crayfish... nor shiners and shads... furthermore in game (as I do not fish IRL), I do pretty well on shads or many of the silicone lures...

I was referring from live baits (those that have now the motion coded, like shiners and minnows) as opposed to other natural baits, like grasshoppers, crickets, dragonfly, etc...

And then, it's a game, not real life and as such, rely on how things are coded... it's pretty useless to refer to real life as it's not coded and way more complex IRL than what I believe is truely coded into the game.

[[40-1] SturmTurm]

origianally the baits in Ubersheets reflected baits that worked for unis but did not cost gold to purchase. Now prices are different but players seems to use the same baits all over again - like shiners or Lrg. Minnows - don´t get me wrong they work fine. Sometimes other baits are just more efficient like dragonflies for Atlantic salmon, Mayflies for Brook trout etc. Its really a matter of using a broader range of baits and the unis will show up on them too.

[76561198407277465]

-I was referring from live baits (those that have now the motion coded, like shiners and minnows) as opposed to other natural baits, like grasshoppers, crickets, dragonfly, etc...

grasshoppers, crickets, dragonfly works well but for smaller fish. Or you need catch Unigue Largemount on Grasshopers, crickets or Redworms?

- If they add explosives in this game, they will still be weaker than shiners.
Ok dude, and what is better for big trout 70cm+, pikes 90+, or catfish and more fish. Some big live fish bait, cuttbait, or petfood, cheese, smallminows.........?

[Ace Lightning]

Originally posted by TwitchTV_Trucking:

Originally posted by Ace Lightning:

and now they will probebly nerf the crap out of those baits too ,just so you can catch less fish and be forced to spend money on the game ,

AHHA I SAY, IN THAT CASE I will use lures and stick to my lemons

you still have alot to learn sir

[BonPadre]

Originally posted by Doc..:

grasshoppers, crickets, dragonfly works well but for smaller fish. Or you need catch Unigue Largemount on Grasshopers, crickets or Redworms?

Nope that's not what I meant...
What I mean is that there are many baits that are reported to work for any given fish.

What I tried to imply is that grasshoppers are reported to work for largemouth bass. I went with them and indeed it works... I cought steelheads and salmons in california with dragonflies... it works, as stated in baits descriptions or some crossed infos...

What I tried to ask though is that...
If you have small minnows working fine for Steelheads and Salmons as well in California, for instance, while dragonflies works, it's still far less effective even for regular sizes... i'm not one of those who just want to catch uniques all day long... I never really did that to begin with...

I was questionning the use of developpement time put into baits that are reported to work on various somewhat larger desired fishes, if in the end it's coded in such a way that whatevr you do after some lakes, you simply go all out with very few baits (but that apply to lures as well).

While I'm not willing to catch uniques rainbows on cricket in Oregon, I had a very decent catch rate for a reasonable bait price... but in the end I feel that it's one of those rarer example where I found that going with something very different worked fine enough.

I mean, why even talk about those small fishes, I know how to catch them, that's not the point there... when you are in game monitoring catches on higher end lakes don't tell me you see bunch of peeps getting after panfishes in Michigan... michigan, get your shiners out and don't waste time trying to use various baits that are reported to work... that's what I imply... I would love to have some decent success with many more of those baits reported to work as well at a decent rate, even if it's just regular pikes / mukies.

Btw, my profile is not private so you could probably also go there to see what I mean by that... I have been one using way more lures and baits than the average Joe playing this game, like many out there as well... I doubt you ever tried flies in Alberta just to see what could come out of it...

So what I was questionning is somewhat a balancing for a more interesting wider openminded game, and maybe in hope of seeing more varieties with what could be suggested to a player asking "hey guys what should I use for this or that..."

Basically it's what I ask there... are those live baits so OP that you really don't need to waste time trying something else ?

[76561198407277465]

Yes different lake little bit prefer different baits, lures.

- In Missouri works redworm, flies, night crawlers, crawfish cut, cuttbait, grasshopers, small minnows, and all worms. This baits give you trophy = Bass, Freshwater Drum, Catfish, Crappie, Pikerels, and Unigue Bluegill

- New York = When you have lv. try too use leeches for Walley.
For Walley works small minnows, shiners, leeches,
For many trophy Yellow Perch works = night crawlers, small minnows, red worms.

- Florida Butterfly Peacock Bass, when you use shrimp you catch only Peacock Bass, you eliminated Gar and LM.Bass

I mean all baits works for many fish.
But i mean this game have max fish lock.
I dont catch more then 5 or 6 walley in 1 game hour. When you catch small fish you dont catch more fish for number probbably.
New York when you catch 5 walley fast, in first 45min better to switch for pike becose 5 or 6 is a max walley number per in game hour.

Dragonflies. I dont have this bait but i more try use this for trout like Red Band or Colorado Golden

I see bigger problem with lures and spinners all casting spoon have huge atractor for all fish
Spinners and Soft Plastic not working to much.
Harry potter Medium casting spoon 1/0, 3/0, 4/0 work perfect for all fish.

I really missing dropshot, different rig setup for soft plastic lures, and many, many, many, many soft plastic lures. Bigger shads 13 - 20cm some 3D lures, big tail lures. UL. woblers.

[SevSaint]

what you are not focusing on here is that baits cost money and cause you to keeping repurchasing, while lures never really run out. i would also like to see durability on lures

[76561198407277465]

Lures durability is good idea but change only economy, no gameplay.

Top water lures, dropshot, fly fishing, feeder, night fishin, boats, radars, chum, change game style.

Yes for bait you need pay, but you have much bigger chance for unigue fish after lv.18.
Oregon unigue rainbow with shinners 2 hrs 2 unigue. With shad, grub 7cm, narrow spoon or casting spoon #1/0 - 3/0 you have smaller chance. probably you need some cranbait or shad 10cm for same atractor like shiners. Some free small crankbait opening lv. 26. 8 - 11cm 1m 2m deepth for this Rainbow maybe works 3,5 - 9m 10 - 13cm crankbait lv. 28+

[TalonAquila]

I've got RL lures over 40 years old... and they still catch fish. This is a simulation - leave them alone. If you want to replace your lures, get snagged, break the line and sacrifice 'em.

[76561198407277465]

I've got RL lures over 40 years old..
:-DD you have 40 years old soft plastic lures?
Yes man casting spoons, spinners and lures like this have high durability, but soft plastic no.
And again yes This is a simulation.