Fishing License Cost

[JigSaw]

I feel like the cost of an unlimited fishing license should be attainable to anyone that is the correct level to fish the zone without the purchase of baitcoins.

It costs 600 baitcoins for an unlimited advanced fishing license to Michigan(a popular location), or 8000 credits per day. I'm unsure how I'm supposed to attain 600 baitcoins in game without spending $50 real life money. (There is no option to purchase unlim without baitcoin)

I'm getting the odd 1 or 3 baitcoins per achievement and so far I have saved up 140 lol, so I should be able to afford the unlim license for Michigan in about 4 years... Is this intentional or can it be better tuned?

[Gus°!°]

As far as i,m concerned the addition of Baitcoins at those prices is ridiculous. I don,t have a problem with Premium every now and again but i,ll never pay for Baitcoins. They should really consider combining the two or make them cheaper. New players will be put off the game and lots of the Players who have played for a while have amassed enough. It,s a great game and ofc the Devs want to make money, no problem with that, but don,t get greedy. Tight Lines :)

[moonpiespotlight]

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

Originally posted by moonpiespotlight:

If what I am saying is wrong, why does my personal economy seem to agree with me? Why does my bank account increase as I fish instead of decreasing? I don't run my gear into the ground, I don't overdrag my fish to get quick catches with low rate gear. I use appropriately sized gear and fight them the appropriate amount of time. I have only once made repairs in the past month or so. If you're doing it more often, you're doing something wrong. My license doesn't expire because I have an UL however I don't "forget" about the lakes where I don't. and I've never, not once, been fined for not having a license. If you're forgetting about it, that's your fault. Set yourself a reminder if you need to be hand held.

You are missing the point. It's not just about you. That tip being shared is a bad way to go about the game and the game's economy is as bad as everyone else says it is. Especially for lower leveled players. I don't care if you have lots of money. Everyday you already get credits from daily logins. If you have "lots of money" and doing things your way, I'm just telling you you would have had a lot more money than that to do it the other way. I'm talking about achieveing your max potential. Your wallet is lying to you, or well, you're lying to yourself. This game shouldn't be about worrying about making up for the costs of your trips, which is why everyone else is saying that now it's come to a point of being a cash grab.

It doesn't matter if you had a lot of money now. You don't have more money than what you have now. You would have had more money not wasting it on buying licenses that cost more than a day's trip. You would have had more money being able to fish where you want without being stuck in an ingame paywall. You would have had more money if you didn't have a loss of time to use up the duration of a temp license because of your inability to play 24/7. You might claim that you don't get fined, but you would have had more money in cases that would have prevented you from ever making that mistake at all because you never have to even think about such things.

Otherwise, even without Texas, if you ever did blow a load and ran out of cash, you're not gonna be fishing at all. You're gonna end up like I did, and rely on daily logins to cover the costs - especially since then you can't buy abother one of those temp licenses, and when you do, you are still trapping yourself into working to make up for the loss. You are still making up for huge losses either way. You didn't have to do that.

That's why everyone else is talking about the game being imbalanced when it comes to the economy. In this particular game, nobody likes having to work at spending the cash, then spending so much time fishing so hard to make the expenditure worth it. With a UL license, you can forget about making up for costs over several days, when you could have done that for a day or two. What you're talking about is doing the bare minimum, while going on a financial uphill climb. Well, even lower leveled players are going to be stuck for days at the same lake and be bored with it. That won't make the game enjoyable.

Looking for cash fish will take away fishing for whatever you like. Making yourself fish to make up for spending your cash also takes away unrestricted fishing. If any lower leveled players did that too, that would take them even longer if they use your method. It's a terrible way to play the game. So no, your wallet isn't agreeing with you as you think it is. You're just playing the game the hard way, and I'm just telling you there's an easier way to go about that. Your wallet isn't saying it's agreeing with you. Your wallet is saying you worked that hard enough through the BS of what you're doing, but others are way ahead of you when they aren't doing what you do.

In short you seem to want the entire game, every aspect, to not only be free but easy to acheive with very limited play so even people who only play a couple hours a week can be successful. That's not a good business model, not a good game model for a game that's hosted server side and where everyone is basically fishing the same difficulty level.

Like I said, this game may not be for you. Sure you could have "more money" but you dont' need more money except to do things that don't equate to you working to balance your economy with your fishing endeavors, which is what the game is about. It's not just about you fun fishing.

[dukeof3arl]

"The best fish you can get is a trophy Grass Pickerel. The next best one is the trophy LMB. This is about 77.11 and 70.3 credits per lb respectively. Let's say, if the pike is the best you can get, and because it's lighter, you should be able to fill up the net with a lot of them. With the value of the pike to fill up that 31lb net for just 1 day, you should be earning a max of around 2,391 credits. Considering that you have spent almost 3x that much for the first day, then that means you need to extend your trip. But why do that, now having spent 6,900 for a second day, and still not have made up for the overhead cost? Well, go ahead then if that's what you're doing. Even into the third day, you *almost* come close after spending 7,200, if your catches to the net are consistent, you should end up with about 7,173. This forces you to drop another 300 for the 4th day (now that means planning on spending 7,500) before you ever see yourself in the green."

That's not even mentioning that you have to do this in a CALENDAR DAY.

[dukeof3arl]

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

Originally posted by dukeof3arl:

"The best fish you can get is a trophy Grass Pickerel. The next best one is the trophy LMB. This is about 77.11 and 70.3 credits per lb respectively. Let's say, if the pike is the best you can get, and because it's lighter, you should be able to fill up the net with a lot of them. With the value of the pike to fill up that 31lb net for just 1 day, you should be earning a max of around 2,391 credits. Considering that you have spent almost 3x that much for the first day, then that means you need to extend your trip. But why do that, now having spent 6,900 for a second day, and still not have made up for the overhead cost? Well, go ahead then if that's what you're doing. Even into the third day, you *almost* come close after spending 7,200, if your catches to the net are consistent, you should end up with about 7,173. This forces you to drop another 300 for the 4th day (now that means planning on spending 7,500) before you ever see yourself in the green."

That's not even mentioning that you have to do this in a CALENDAR DAY.

No, I did mention that. I started with the month-long license, because it was cheaper in bulk, but incidentally, the difference still shows that even if you spent anywhere from 200 for the day, or 4,800, you still have lost that much without a UL license - the same amount you work for. If the license wasn't temporary, you wouldn't have repeatedly spent on it again, and worked to make up for the cost. In that time, the fishing would have paid foritself. I wouldnt have virtually spent for that license, and saved myself that amount if I had worked the same rate. That's why I was saying there's no way his wallet says he's richer, because I know his entire expenditure meant that he had to have more money to spend on the license in the long term, when he didn't have to do the work and spare himself with more cash.

By buying monthly, it really punishes you for fishing elsewhere and buying other licenses instead of traveling around at leisure. The whole point is two-fold:

License systems in this game only benefit hard-cores, and the economy is still completely out of whack.

[moonpiespotlight]

Many folks I've met in the game seem to have a goal of playing without paying. That is to say they want to do everything a paying member can do, but for free, and to them that's the challenge. Many of them are doing it and they don't mind telling you they have to grind very hard to avoid paying any money.

There's DLC available with larger keepnets and better gear. You should not be in Missouri if you are leveled enough to be in a higher profit lake. If you can afford a UL, you probably have earned enough to have progressed to Florida or another lake, to buy a bigger net and better gear and move forward.

Why do you care how hard it is for a new player? You've got over 300 hours, you're not new. Imagine you could keep all your earnings, since you're playing hypotheticals, and you'd have even more money vs what you have now.

Bottom line is that you can get a UL for every lake if you want, and you can get them for free if you want, if you consider "free" to mean you didn't transfer any money, but I consider my time to be more valuable than a few dollars and my entertainment spending isn't dented by spending 30 dollars on 600 baitcoins. You don't need to buy every lake UL at once. You only need to buy the lake you can make the most money at, and from there you can get ahead of the curve. That's where I am.

I don't get your beef with the economy. It's tuffer for new people, I agree, but you're not new. If it's toxically tough, that will become evident in the numbers.

[76561198230872276]

Moon, which are, in your opinion, the lake where you must (or where it is worth) buy the UL?
I agree with what you said, and yes, I am one of those ppl that wanna do things for free and you said good : we must farm a lot to substain the "not paying a cent" theory. But it is my goal and I am happy with it.

[moonpiespotlight]

Originally posted by SaMo76:

Moon, which are, in your opinion, the lake where you must (or where it is worth) buy the UL?
I agree with what you said, and yes, I am one of those ppl that wanna do things for free and you said good : we must farm a lot to substain the "not paying a cent" theory. But it is my goal and I am happy with it.

Florida, California, Michigan, Alaska

Those are my favorites and money makers.

This assumes you have enough money to get there and get started.

[moonpiespotlight]

Originally posted by CZBGR Icepick:

Originally posted by dukeof3arl:

By buying monthly, it really punishes you for fishing elsewhere and buying other licenses instead of traveling around at leisure. The whole point is two-fold:

License systems in this game only benefit hard-cores, and the economy is still completely out of whack.

I'm not arguing that it is a trap having to pay for a monthly license. In fact, the cost of buying the daily one is even worse, especially in the long term. My whole position has been totally against it. But Moon here has been saying he does it and think it's ok. He says his "rich wallet" says I'm wrong. All I'm saying is, he could have avoided it if he got the UL. If he has to buy it in BC, so be it. Even if it costs credits, that would be fine. Because of that, thats why I doubt what he's saying is true. His "rich wallet" is really telling me he's had to work harder than I would, and I'm lucky if I can even fill in my "day" for 2 hours of my time. Yet, i have no problem or confusion of why a UL license beefits me. It should be clear as day.

You have to buy some kind of license. You can choose 1 day, 1 week or 1 month. (maybe 2 weeks, too, can't recall). I don't buy the 1 month because most of the time I probably won't be at that lake. So all the savings you think you're getting are actually going away every day you don't fish that lake.

Instead, if I am going to be there all week (IRL week), I will buy a license for a week. If I am going to fish it to see if I can still turn a profit, I will buy one day. If I can turn a profit over multiple in-game days, I will likely extend to a week or longer depending on the attractiveness of the lake. However, I am rarely at the same lake more than a couple IRL weeks, rarely even 4 IRL days. So buying that license for more than I am using it is wasting that time.

Most of the lakes I fish I have a UL for. I bought this last year when it was for sale by game money. Based on your hours you could have done the same with every single lake EXCEPT the most recent, I think. I think this includes Alaska. If you waited and got shut out because you were being a tight wad with your money, or as you say "more money now" approach, then you get what you get.

I will likely purchase the baitcoins needed to get a UL for my 2nd account in Alaska to match my 1st, and that will enable me to make enough extra money to deal with the other maps I frequent less.

I said originally that I have a UL for most high profit lakes and I have a max size keepnet. I could have sworn it was 660lbs last year and now it's 440, but I could be wrong.

[Deciple]

i think the bottom line is ,we shouldnt have to pay ashit load of real money to play the game ,i buy dlc's everytime there out, i shouldnt have to buy a license using baitcoin when u cant earn them fast enought to get the license.very easy fix go back to given us baitcoins for all the unis caught.even if its only 10 ot 15 baitcoins for the fish u use to give 50 to 70 gold .that would at least give us a reason to want to grind.the game is dieing fast over half the players have bounced to the icefishing game and its only time before more bounce as well,bring back the means for us t0o get alot of baitcoins to buy our licenses or iam sure in a few months this game will take a big hit in folks finding something new to play .and what sucks the most is this game was by far the best fishing game out there,its sad to see the course its now on,let hope the devs can see the game is deiing and we need to fix this fast before its too late.i think if the game needs more money put out more reasonable dlcs which arent 60bucks each .make them from 6.99 to 20.99 and i think u will have every one buying them ,but this baitcoin deal is killling this game fast please help the game not die.bring back baitcoins as u did with gold from catching unis.its the easyest fix and it wouldnt even be a issue to do that at all.why you took the uni gold or baitcoins away anyways puzzels me,what was the point of that ...........

[Taylor]

Originally posted by C.A.P|)3C!PL3:

i think the bottom line is ,we shouldnt have to pay ashit load of real money to play the game ,i buy dlc's everytime there out, i shouldnt have to buy a license using baitcoin when u cant earn them fast enought to get the license.very easy fix go back to given us baitcoins for all the unis caught.even if its only 10 ot 15 baitcoins for the fish u use to give 50 to 70 gold .that would at least give us a reason to want to grind.the game is dieing fast over half the players have bounced to the icefishing game and its only time before more bounce as well,bring back the means for us t0o get alot of baitcoins to buy our licenses or iam sure in a few months this game will take a big hit in folks finding something new to play .and what sucks the most is this game was by far the best fishing game out there,its sad to see the course its now on,let hope the devs can see the game is deiing and we need to fix this fast before its too late.i think if the game needs more money put out more reasonable dlcs which arent 60bucks each .make them from 6.99 to 20.99 and i think u will have every one buying them ,but this baitcoin deal is killling this game fast please help the game not die.bring back baitcoins as u did with gold from catching unis.its the easyest fix and it wouldnt even be a issue to do that at all.why you took the uni gold or baitcoins away anyways puzzels me,what was the point of that ...........

+1

I agree there is no incentive to play the game to progress anymore i play for relaxation but was lucky to of been playing from the start so have most things including U/L advanced licences for all states apart from Loisiana that will cost me £20, couple hundred baitcoins and a fair bit of wedge in the bank, making the travel money back is no problem if you have U/L licence.

I do feel there needs to be a way of earning the baitcoins in game similar to the gold with unique fish. For me and all the vets outthere we can play and not have to spend any real money but for newbie players it's very difficult to progress without spending real money.
(But i think they should at least buy 1 of the cheaper dlc's to support them)

I'm not saying don't buy any dlc's iv'e spent over £100 so in my eyes iv'e bought the game but forcing people to buy baitcoins to progress is not on. I think if people don't feel pressured into spending money there more likely to buy dlc's as they come out, it's all about mindset if there unhappy with the way the game is progressing why would they want to spend money.

Tight lines guys,

[76561198230872276]

Originally posted by moonpiespotlight:

Originally posted by SaMo76:

Moon, which are, in your opinion, the lake where you must (or where it is worth) buy the UL?
I agree with what you said, and yes, I am one of those ppl that wanna do things for free and you said good : we must farm a lot to substain the "not paying a cent" theory. But it is my goal and I am happy with it.

Florida, California, Michigan, Alaska

Those are my favorites and money makers.

This assumes you have enough money to get there and get started.

Thanks a lot.

Originally posted by C.A.P|)3C!PL3:

i think the bottom line is ,we shouldnt have to pay ashit load of real money to play the game ,i buy dlc's everytime there out, i shouldnt have to buy a license using baitcoin when u cant earn them fast enought to get the license.very easy fix go back to given us baitcoins for all the unis caught.even if its only 10 ot 15 baitcoins for the fish u use to give 50 to 70 gold .that would at least give us a reason to want to grind.the game is dieing fast over half the players have bounced to the icefishing game and its only time before more bounce as well,bring back the means for us t0o get alot of baitcoins to buy our licenses or iam sure in a few months this game will take a big hit in folks finding something new to play .and what sucks the most is this game was by far the best fishing game out there,its sad to see the course its now on,let hope the devs can see the game is deiing and we need to fix this fast before its too late.i think if the game needs more money put out more reasonable dlcs which arent 60bucks each .make them from 6.99 to 20.99 and i think u will have every one buying them ,but this baitcoin deal is killling this game fast please help the game not die.bring back baitcoins as u did with gold from catching unis.its the easyest fix and it wouldnt even be a issue to do that at all.why you took the uni gold or baitcoins away anyways puzzels me,what was the point of that ...........

Totally agree, after St. Patrick event, I dont see any good reason to play a lot.
Put back unis giving BC, reduce the number of given BC if you think it is too high (which is not at all), but give us a way to get BC over the one every 5 days (which I think is a good joke. /sarcasm off)
If you give us players a way to get BC you will see more and more ppl starting to play again, and more new players willing to try this game and not stopping at very first start.
Keep this in mind Devs, put away for once your will to gain as much money (bloody real money) as you can, and stay with us...just for once.

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New fisherman here , I bought the 7 day pass for NY last night and well so far I made over 20k cash and have yet to leave. Maybe something I am missing but it's so easy to just make the money for the day - 3 day / 7 day pass why someone feels the need to have the Unlimited w/o paying rlf money is beyond me.

Think if I find a a spot I really want I'll not go to the movie one weekend or not buy that 5 dollar beer and just give the Dev's a bit of my RLF money for a pretty cool game that so far I have only spent 12 hours on but will be playing a lot more.

[dukeof3arl]

Originally posted by Handyman:

New fisherman here , I bought the 7 day pass for NY last night and well so far I made over 20k cash and have yet to leave. Maybe something I am missing but it's so easy to just make the money for the day - 3 day / 7 day pass why someone feels the need to have the Unlimited w/o paying rlf money is beyond me.

Think if I find a a spot I really want I'll not go to the movie one weekend or not buy that 5 dollar beer and just give the Dev's a bit of my RLF money for a pretty cool game that so far I have only spent 12 hours on but will be playing a lot more.

Just wait until you hit higher level lakes and need bigger and better gear. I can guarantee you won't feel this way.

[76561198230872276]

As said on other thread :

"Play it for a month (constantly) and then you have a good idea about this game. Follow and read the threads in here (the ones worth to be followed) and you have a better overall idea."

[Deciple]

first off 12hours into the game will show u nothing wait until u cant buy any licenses or u buy the 3 day,you stay longer then u thought due to forgetting ur 3day pass time, and get a fine of 20,000 then u wont think the money u made was good.


the point is we need baitcoins to buy more then just liecenses ,you need them to buy the crankbaits and all the good lures that work best,also 1000yard spools of fishing line

so until u have played more then 10 hours to see how the game is played and what the bait coins are used for.which you have no need to use bait coin ur first few days into the game.so i can see why u dont understand why we are all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over this bait coin issue , and to clear this up ,why did you take the gold or baitcoin s out of the game.

are the dev that much in need of money they change the game with out any thought on how the folks thats been playing the game for 2 to 3 years ,whats sad is some folks been jamming this fishing game and loving it for 2 to 3 year s and most of them are now gone,just look at the names of the gamers in the last month ,most names are now new.to us old gamers this is a major slap to the face....

FIX THE BAIT COIN ISSUE ,before the game has a turn for the worse

whats really sad is this has been a problem sence the patch and nothing has been done to try to fix the problem,we arent going to wait months for the devs to make a easy and simple fix.

BAITCOINS FOR USI'S caught very simple and easy fix, should have been done first week after all the folks where ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about this major issue just after patch day

and whats worse is all the new stuff you have coming out how many coins with that ♥♥♥♥ cost like boats ,new tackel,new nets ,new outfits the list goes on and on and on

also they claim its only 150 real life money to buy all the licenses today. what about down the road how many more lakes will be added and how many of these lakes will cost over 1000bait coins as the lake s have been, adding the newer lakes where more and more baitcoins

and like i said many times its not just about the licenses thats the main ♥♥♥♥♥, but you need bait coins to buy the first 12 crankbaits to buy any of the lures that work best on the selected fish .
so yes they make you buy them if you want to keep up with other fishermen in tourneys and competition ,which most the old school players bought every thing needed, due to the change from gold to baitcoins.

so if your new you make like 150 to 200baitcoins to get to level 40 this is a joke when a crank bait cost you 30 to 50 baitcoins,so what fun are theses competitions when u lose day after day and week after week,due to the fact we cant buy the good lures and cranks with out bait coins

and the devs state they like the imput from there regular,well they have all been ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and with nothing getting done they ahave all moved on to other games ,to me thats not what the devs wanted ,well at least hope anyways .

DEV's please fix this before you lose all your regular gamer base ,whats even sader is alot of the folks thats been playing here for 2to 3 years have moved to the icefishing game and thats not even close to as good as fishing planet but i think they are doing it to put a point across.but so far the devs or the game dont care who comes and who goes ,and if they do its a weird way to show it.
every days the game losses 5 old players to pick up 2 new players,its just a matter of time and the game will die like most pay to play game