Help with gear

[jaster79]

So. Im on level 26 and i bought the heavy casting DLC. Im currently in Alberta (White Moose) trying to fish salmon. But, just when I thought I had the right gear, the damn thing will not cast far enough. I throw between the trees everyone tells me to trow at, but it only reaches about 90ft, wich is about (at least) 20 ft too short.

Does anyone have a suggestion to what I can do?
Can you tell me what rods and reels I should get?
Are there any DLC besides the salmon one that can get the job done?

I also bougt a FarCaster 8'6", got a salmon and it almost broke the rod

Thanks for all the help.

Regards, "slightly" frustrated player

[JeppeH]

The general rule is the longer the rod is, the further you can cast. The amount of guides on the rod is also a factor, more guides = more friction and results in a shorter cast.
The weight of the lure is also a factor, using heavier lure often results in a longer cast, as long you are with in the lure weight limits of your rod.
Braided line will also help you to cast a bit further.

Rods like Thora, jigwinner, loki are the probably the ones that will let you cast longest (the longest version of these).

[jaster79]

Originally posted by Jeppe:

The general rule is the longer the rod is, the further you can cast. The amount of guides on the rod is also a factor, more guides = more friction and results in a shorter cast.
The weight of the lure is also a factor, using heavier lure often results in a longer cast, as long you are with in the lure weight limits of your rod.
Braided line will also help you to cast a bit further.

Rods like Thora, jigwinner, loki are the probably the ones that will let you cast longest (the longest version of these).

Will Thora, Jigwinner and Loki hold big fishes like Salmons?

[jaster79]

The thing I dont get is that people fish salmon with a rod that has a 15 pound line capasity, and it holds, but when i tryed, it almost broke my rod. I dont understand why

[archityler]

i actually do great with the light spin gear for salmon, you just got to be ready for a hard fight. 8-10lb braid and 1/4 medium spoon. i cast up to 250'

[archityler]

then i got the salmonmoster DLC to handle the big ones.....

[archityler]

jigwinner 8'10" with prima 2500.....10lb braid (out as much line on as you can)
Thora 9'6" works for 12lb - 15lb fine for the big lakers and salmon/pike

[jaster79]

Originally posted by archityler:

jigwinner 8'10" with prima 2500.....10lb braid (out as much line on as you can)
Thora 9'6" works for 12lb - 15lb fine for the big lakers and salmon/pike

What if you get a big salmon or lake trout, will they hold? I just caught a 22 pound lake trout, so just need to ask before I sell my gear and buy the new ones ;)

[JeppeH]

Originally posted by jaster79:

Originally posted by Jeppe:

The general rule is the longer the rod is, the further you can cast. The amount of guides on the rod is also a factor, more guides = more friction and results in a shorter cast.
The weight of the lure is also a factor, using heavier lure often results in a longer cast, as long you are with in the lure weight limits of your rod.
Braided line will also help you to cast a bit further.

Rods like Thora, jigwinner, loki are the probably the ones that will let you cast longest (the longest version of these).

Will Thora, Jigwinner and Loki hold big fishes like Salmons?

The Thora and Loki will hold for the salmons in Alberta, yes.
your rod will not break as long as you stay with in the limits of what your gear can handle (it will have the normal wear and tear on it, but not "snap" on instance).

Example (I take this in kg, but the idea is the same for lbs).

Your rod can take 10 kg
Your reel have max drag 12 kg and have 12 drag settings.
your line is max 12 kg.

This means your reel will generate a drag of 1 kg for each drag setting. Having your setting at 9 will mean that you generate 9 kg of drag. Take the max drag that your reel can generate and divide it with how many drag seetings it has (in this example 12 divided by 12) and you can just accumilate to see what how much it will generate. (this applies to all reels).

As long as the drag you are generating is LOWER than the max what your rod and line can take, you will not breake them. (Do NOT use max drag setting on reel, cus then you will break the reel pretty fast insted).

If you would have drag setting 11 on this setup, it would mean you generate 11 kg of drag, which is higher than the 10 kg that your rod can take. This means your rod will be the first thing to break, and the chance for a "instant snap" is very big!

If it was your line that was max 10 kg and your rod was 12 kg, it would instead mean that your line is what will breake first.

In this spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wEvjycxSaVLNmVOCIZPALsPvLtxnJSz_LDcPKowAFb4/edit
there is a list that will show you what every reel in the game will generate on each setting. So if you dont want to do the math fpr yourself this can be used instead.

So the rule is: Allways keep you dragsetting lower than what your line and rod can take, and you should be fine.
People also say that if you using a line that has higher max than your rod, the rod will be the part that breakes if you get spooled (run out of line). So a idea can also be to allways use a line that is weaker max than your rod.

I hope this was to some help for you.

[jaster79]

So if I keep the drag on the secound one, I should be fine?
Sorry for all the questions, but im not that good at calculating these stuff out ;)

Thanks, gonna sell some of my gear to buy the new ones ;)

[JeppeH]

Originally posted by jaster79:

So if I keep the drag on the secound one, I should be fine?
Sorry for all the questions, but im not that good at calculating these stuff out ;)

Thanks, gonna sell some of my gear to buy the new ones ;)

What drag setting you can use will be different depending on what setup you are using. So there is no genreal answer yes/no to that.

I only made an example using easy numbers to calculate with, but the formula how to calculate it is the same no matter what gear you using.

Here's antoher example.

You have a reel that is max drag 17 lbs, and this reel can be set to 8 different setting.
Take 17 divided by 8 = 2,125 lbs.

This means
drag setting 1 will generate (2,125 x 1) 2,125 lbs of force.
drag setting 2 will generate (2,125 x 2) 4,25 lbs of force.
drag setting 3 will generate (2,125 x 3) 6,375 lbs of force.
drag setting 4 will generate (2,125 x 4) 8,5 lbs of force.
drag setting 5 will generate (2,125 x 5) 10,625 lbs of force.
and so on...

The amount of force that your reel will generate has to be lower than what your rod and line can take.

If you had a reel that have max 25 lbs and 6 different settings it would instead mean 25 divided by 6, and the result would be different than the example I just showed above. But the formula is still the same.

I would suggest the spreadsheet I linked to though, there you have all the reels and numbers allready.

[jaster79]

So, if I get it right, I can fish salmon in Alberta with this setup?

Thora 7'10" (with line-weight 5-18,5 pounds)
FatBoySpin 5000 (with 17.6 pounds max drag)

But what kind of line should I get? Or does'nt that have to mutch to say as long as it is in the same range of weight?

[JeppeH]

Originally posted by jaster79:

So, if I get it right, I can fish salmon in Alberta with this setup?

Thora 7'10" (with line-weight 5-18,5 pounds)
FatBoySpin 5000 (with 17.6 pounds max drag)

But what kind of line should I get? Or does'nt that have to mutch to say as long as it is in the same range of weight?

Yes, you can use that. With the fatboy spin 5000 it would mean you can use dragsetting 7 on it (it has 8 settings in total). On setting 7 it will generate 15,4 lbs of force, which is lower than the max of 18.5 lbs that your rod can handle.

There are two different lines I would suggest to this setup, the mono .014" / 0.35mm which have max 16 lbs (I think) or the braided .009" / 0.23mm which have max 20 lbs (I think).

Since the braided line is higher lbs than your rod, it will mean that there is a risk that your rod will break IF you get spooled (run out of line) by a fish. But with the mono it would instead mean that your line will break IF you get spooled, since the mono max lbs is lower than your rod max lbs.

The thing with using a braided instead of mono, is because it will help you cast further.
If I were you, I would test them both (if you can afford it). If the mono is enough to make the distance you like to reach, then just use that instead.
The braided will also mean (since it is higher max) that the chance of getting xp reduction on the fishes are higher.

[wordagar]

Always keep your line weight below the or at the max line weight of the rod and reel. Also keep in mind it is not necessary to USE the max possible drag setting at all times. On the set up your talking about I would set the drag on 2 or 3 then after the fish is hooked fight it. Slowly increase the drag ONLY if your having a problem landing the fish. These rods can take alot of pressure specially the thora and the Loki. Use that to your advantage. You only want to use enough drag to turn the fish. Don't try and brutishly drag the fish in finesse is key on big fish. If you are using the proreel display try and keep all three out of the red completely. There is npo need for that much pressure. You may have to let the fish run arround more but it is safer for your gear. I generally catch my salmon in Alberta on a jigwinner and have never broken my rod or reel. Have broken line a couple times but that was my fault.

[jaster79]

YESSS... It works ;)

Thanks guys :) Finally I can get both salmon and northern pike on the same rod in Alberta ;)

[E21L]

One more important factor:
When you hook a good one, always keep your rod tip as high as you can, the higher the better because it keeps the fish on the surface (most of time) where there is less water resistance